My D70/DRebel Story

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I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below $999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80, but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13 right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical, except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
 
Thanks for sharing your experience. I owned DRebel too and yes there is no comparison between how these two cameras perform. Enjoy it!
I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to
purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below
$999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews
and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became
available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in
Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls
without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I
made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't
at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade
to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out
the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work
through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said
she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13
right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter
play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital
thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera
store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the
same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical,
except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who
didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my
Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with
the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on
my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved
just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and
purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with
my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that
decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL
comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
 
Im curious.
In overall general terms how are Canon and Nikon viewed and preceived in Japan?
Customer service, quality control, reputation, resale value, etc.
Is there one that has a rep for being head and shoulders above the other?

Or is it more like the states where they both have their up's and down's but people sort-of pick a system and stick to it? Or do they seem to jump from one to another?

Is there any way to tell which brand is prefered in Japan based on current choices available there?

Any manufactures on the Canon - Nikon level that sell into that market in Japan, but not in the US?

I know Canon is into alot of other businesses like Betacam cameras, TV lenses, and may other things. I'm just interested in the DSLR market.

Thanks for your thoughts.
I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to
purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below
$999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews
and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became
available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in
Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls
without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I
made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't
at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade
to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out
the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work
through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said
she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13
right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter
play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital
thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera
store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the
same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical,
except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who
didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my
Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with
the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on
my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved
just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and
purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with
my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that
decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL
comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
 
Just my penny worth of dribble... I brought the 300D when it was first launched .... it performed excellently in my opinion and gave great photos.

Alas 2 probs:

1. I was at a private party to launch a new venture in Shanghai ... there were babes galore and several pro photographers to boot. I was with 2 semi-pros i) 10D user and ii) D100 user. Needless to say they got poses from the punters and organisers for potential exposure in the press ... i, on the otherhand, was not treated with the same and I must say, if you were a punter and saw someone waving a silver-cyber thingy at you ???? (say no more!!)

2. With such a slow start up time ... you either have to keep the thing switched on or just live with the fact that shots are often missed ... regardless .... the hand is not always quicker than the eye!!!

Unfortunately, in HK the option of use and return for a full refund is not an option! So to resolve my situation of having the 300D ... it was sold at 70% retail and the D70 was promptly purchased.
 
Exactly the same with me. It was great for the price at the time but with the D70 being around, it didn't compare. Still trying to sell my D-Rebel.


I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to
purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below
$999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews
and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became
available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in
Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls
without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I
made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't
at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade
to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out
the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work
through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said
she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13
right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter
play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital
thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera
store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the
same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical,
except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who
didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my
Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with
the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on
my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved
just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and
purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with
my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that
decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL
comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
 
Wow, I have another quick story.

When I shot at my son's first soccer game, I shot with my N80 with the vertical grip. As usual, everyone was asking me if I shot for the base newspaper. When I shot with the DRebel, no one paid attention. In fact, a Navy photographer was shooting with a D100 and all the parents got excited because they thought their sons or daughters would be in the base paper or the Stars and Stripes. He was just shooting for fun.

Respect.

Tommy

PS: The Canon 10D owners get as much respect.
Just my penny worth of dribble... I brought the 300D when it was
first launched .... it performed excellently in my opinion and gave
great photos.

Alas 2 probs:

1. I was at a private party to launch a new venture in Shanghai ...
there were babes galore and several pro photographers to boot. I
was with 2 semi-pros i) 10D user and ii) D100 user. Needless to
say they got poses from the punters and organisers for potential
exposure in the press ... i, on the otherhand, was not treated with
the same and I must say, if you were a punter and saw someone
waving a silver-cyber thingy at you ???? (say no more!!)

2. With such a slow start up time ... you either have to keep the
thing switched on or just live with the fact that shots are often
missed ... regardless .... the hand is not always quicker than the
eye!!!

Unfortunately, in HK the option of use and return for a full refund
is not an option! So to resolve my situation of having the 300D
... it was sold at 70% retail and the D70 was promptly purchased.
 
I'm waiting foor the d70 to be delivered in stores in Europe after the backorders are gone and the backfocus problems are fixed.

Seems like i'm getting more and more convinced this is a god camera. (If the backfocus problems ar fixed offcourse...).

Greetz,
Iwan
I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to
purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below
$999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews
and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became
available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in
Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls
without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I
made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't
at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade
to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out
the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work
through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said
she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13
right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter
play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital
thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera
store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the
same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical,
except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who
didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my
Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with
the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on
my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved
just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and
purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with
my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that
decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL
comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
--
.:~ http://www.f8.be :.
Life moves pretty fast, if u don't stop once and a while, u could mis it!


 
I wrote a long reply, but I got an error.

Basically, Japanese people don't debate on JVC/Sony, Honda/Toyota or Canon/Nikon like we debate Nikon/Canon, Chevy/Ford and Harvard/Yale. They are more into the end results.

Regarding point and shoot digital cameras. The stores normally carry the latest models. I see more Canon bodies.

Regarding DSLR. The stores display them by company. Nikon normally has the bigger display, then Canon, then Pentax. They normally still carry all of the Nikon film SLR's ranging from the F55 to the F100. I rarely see in store displays of anything higher than a F100 or D100. They normally carry a few Canon bodies and the most popular or latest Pentax and Minolta bodies.

I only see San Disk combat flashes and Fuji Film.

The Air Force combat photographers are 90% exclusively Nikon. I only say 90% because I don't know about every base, but I have never ever seen a professional military photographer carry anything else besides a Nikon SLR or DSLR.

Sorry, I couldn't give you more information.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to
purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below
$999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews
and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became
available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in
Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls
without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I
made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't
at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade
to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out
the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work
through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said
she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13
right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter
play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital
thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera
store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the
same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical,
except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who
didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my
Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with
the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on
my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved
just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and
purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with
my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that
decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL
comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
 
If you do some searches on forum hysteria and related internet stuff you might find out that often there is a lot of hype on the forums. Real issues are ignored, secret agendas are common, and fake problems are propped up.

Most (by far) D70s are just fine.

AX
 
I'm happy that your mind is at ease now - but imo this statement made you look kinda foolish...
After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on.
Just think how much superb action you missed getting out of your car. Walking up to the field. Those few seconds blew your big chance getting that SI gig?
--
I'm sorry, we were unable to fix your headshot...
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...It's so fast and responsive in every way compared to the Rebel. The next time you shoot action or candids, notice if you miss anything or have to wait at all. Heck even the histogram / postview image comes up nearly instantly on the D70 so you can check up on things very quickly. Basically, you never have to wait, ever, is what it seems like. Menus, on/off, deleting, changing to modes the Canon does not even offer are all very easy and fast.

AX
 
I only see San Disk combat flashes and Fuji Film.

The Air Force combat photographers are 90% exclusively Nikon. I
only say 90% because I don't know about every base, but I have
never ever seen a professional military photographer carry anything
else besides a Nikon SLR or DSLR.
 
Its like listening to my story. I succesfully sold my canon and am waiting for Nikon to be available... but what is it with the stores... its almost imposible to get one... and did they fix the backfocus thing or not on the new production models?

Leon
Greetz,
Iwan
I am one of those guys that refused to go digital. I didn't want to
purchase a camera every 3-5 years. When the prices dropped below
$999, I knew it was my time to make that move.

I debated between the DRebel and D70. I knew about all the reviews
and how the D70 was rated higher. But when the DRebel became
available at the Base Exchange (I am in the Air Force stationed in
Japan), I purchased it ASAP.

That camera is nice. I learned how to navigate all the controls
without reading the manual. I thought I was at peace.

Here was the problem. In the back of my mind, I kept thinking if I
made the right decision. I kept wondering about the D70. I wasn't
at peace, but my goal was to switch SYSTEMS and eventually upgrade
to a better Canon, so I was going to work thorough this.

After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on. I had a hard time figuring out
the weird 7 point focus system, but I was determined to work
through it. I even let my 13 daughter take a few shots and she said
she was confused about the focusing system....but she is only 13
right? What's odd about this is I have NEVER EVER let my daughter
play with my N80 or my old Nikon FG20. I blew it off as a "digital
thing" because she wasn't wasting film.

Yesterday I had free time and decided to go into a Japanese camera
store to compare my DRebel to the KiSS II. I knew they were the
same, but I just needed to see for my self. They were identical,
except for the name. (smile).

While at the store, I looked around and saw the D70. The owner who
didn't speak English saw me looking at it and placed it next to my
Drebel. He switched the language to English and let me play with
the buttons. He switch the focus to the center (just like I do on
my N80). After playing with it, I noticed that it acted and behaved
just like my N80.

To make a long story short, I immediately returned my DRebel and
purchased the D70. My daughter said she didn't want to mess with
my D70 because it was my "good" camera. :-)

For those debating between the two. PLEASE do not make that
decision until you can place them side by side and do a REAL
comparison.

My mind is now at peace.
--
.:~ http://www.f8.be :.
Life moves pretty fast, if u don't stop once and a while, u could
mis it!


 
Wow, I have another quick story.

When I shot at my son's first soccer game, I shot with my N80 with
the vertical grip. As usual, everyone was asking me if I shot for
the base newspaper. When I shot with the DRebel, no one paid
attention. In fact, a Navy photographer was shooting with a D100
and all the parents got excited because they thought their sons or
daughters would be in the base paper or the Stars and Stripes. He
was just shooting for fun.

Respect.

Tommy

PS: The Canon 10D owners get as much respect.
That's sort of weird.

I tend to get funny looks whether I use my D100 or my Digital Rebel. Maybe it's the faces I make when I shoot. ;)

--
N.
 
When I was waiting for these 7 and 8 year olds to throw the ball back in the camera would shut down.

As you know, the 300D has an automatic "turn off" feature to help save the battery life. When you press the shutter, there is a long delay before it is ready to shoot again.

Like I said, I could have worked through this by adding more time before it turned off (if that is possible) or made sure I kept the the camera "ready" by constantly pressing the shutter. To be honest, I knew about the start up time, but didn't realize it would be that long.

Remember, I used to shoot with a film SLR.

I am sorry, but I wanted to upgrade when I went digital. I felt like the 300D was a downgrade to my N80.

Tommy
After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on.
Just think how much superb action you missed getting out of your
car. Walking up to the field. Those few seconds blew your big
chance getting that SI gig?
--
I'm sorry, we were unable to fix your headshot...
http://rhodeymark.instantlogic.com/PhotoGallery.ilx

 
People I think it is really unfair if you compare 300D with a D70. I really pity 300D. In actual fact it is also a camera capable of capturing great shots. Moreever its CCD and tech is based on 10D.

D70 being a newer camera have got to be better in order to gain market share as 300D has already captured a huge pie of the market. I strongly believe Canon eventually will launch a new budget DSLR that will stand out from a D70... then Nikon then Canon and so on....

So please leave the poor 300D alone and not make any comparison any more...
As you know, the 300D has an automatic "turn off" feature to help
save the battery life. When you press the shutter, there is a long
delay before it is ready to shoot again.

Like I said, I could have worked through this by adding more time
before it turned off (if that is possible) or made sure I kept the
the camera "ready" by constantly pressing the shutter. To be
honest, I knew about the start up time, but didn't realize it would
be that long.

Remember, I used to shoot with a film SLR.

I am sorry, but I wanted to upgrade when I went digital. I felt
like the 300D was a downgrade to my N80.

Tommy
After taking the 300D to a soccer game...big mistake. I felt like a
fish out of water. This camera was so much different than my N80,
but I was determined to work through it. I missed a LOT of shots
waiting for the camera to turn on.
Just think how much superb action you missed getting out of your
car. Walking up to the field. Those few seconds blew your big
chance getting that SI gig?
--
I'm sorry, we were unable to fix your headshot...
http://rhodeymark.instantlogic.com/PhotoGallery.ilx

 

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