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Hi All,

When I try to open myx3f files, saved as 16 bit tiffs, in PS elements2, I get the message..."this color depth not supported...? convert to supported depth."
When I answer, yes, it converts to 8 bit.
Questions I need help with
1)...is the above a bad thing?
2)...is there some way to allow PSE2 to open 16 bit tiffs?
3)...does it matter?
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Hi Angus,

Try http://www.hiddenelements.com web site.

Richard Lynch has expanded the features of PSE2 enormously. I don't know if he got it to work with 16 bit files though. Should be on his site or can ask at the retouchpro forum, accessible form his web site.

Working with 16 bit files gives improved image quality by avoiding color banding when making edits in Photoshop.

Have fun,

Jeff
Angus MacDonald said:
Hi All,
When I try to open myx3f files, saved as 16 bit tiffs, in PS
elements2, I get the message..."this color depth not supported...?
convert to supported depth."
When I answer, yes, it converts to 8 bit.
Questions I need help with
1)...is the above a bad thing?
2)...is there some way to allow PSE2 to open 16 bit tiffs?
3)...does it matter?
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
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Thanks a lot, Jeffe.
I'll check it out.
And thanks for the info re 8 bit vs 16 bit and color banding.
Angus
Jeffe said:
Try http://www.hiddenelements.com web site.

Richard Lynch has expanded the features of PSE2 enormously. I
don't know if he got it to work with 16 bit files though. Should
be on his site or can ask at the retouchpro forum, accessible form
his web site.

Working with 16 bit files gives improved image quality by avoiding
color banding when making edits in Photoshop.

Have fun,

Jeff
Angus MacDonald said:
Hi All,
When I try to open myx3f files, saved as 16 bit tiffs, in PS
elements2, I get the message..."this color depth not supported...?
convert to supported depth."
When I answer, yes, it converts to 8 bit.
Questions I need help with
1)...is the above a bad thing?
2)...is there some way to allow PSE2 to open 16 bit tiffs?
3)...does it matter?
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
 
Angus MacDonald said:
Jeffe said:
Try http://www.hiddenelements.com web site.

Richard Lynch has expanded the features of PSE2 enormously. I
don't know if he got it to work with 16 bit files though. Should
be on his site or can ask at the retouchpro forum, accessible form
his web site.

Working with 16 bit files gives improved image quality by avoiding
color banding when making edits in Photoshop.

Have fun,

Jeff
Angus MacDonald said:
Hi All,
When I try to open myx3f files, saved as 16 bit tiffs, in PS
elements2, I get the message..."this color depth not supported...?
convert to supported depth."
When I answer, yes, it converts to 8 bit.
Questions I need help with
1)...is the above a bad thing?
2)...is there some way to allow PSE2 to open 16 bit tiffs?
3)...does it matter?
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
While I love HiddenElements, there is no 16-bit editing capabilities native to PSE2. You're going to have to spring for PS (or PP) if you want to edit in 16-bit color.

--Jim--
 
JLK said:
While I love HiddenElements, there is no 16-bit editing
capabilities native to PSE2.
Click to expand...
Tip: Get a copy of PS 5.0 LE. There's always loads for sale on ebay (I suspect that the sellers think that it will be mistaken for the real thing).

This has limited 16 bit support, but allows you to set and adjust levels/colour all at 16 bit resolution. You can then set it to 8 bit to import into PSE.

--
Thanks,
Gary.
 
I only use PSE for cropping, and the output file is 8-bit so it should be considered a final image. If you dont edit in 16-bit you pretty much miss the advantages of shooting raw.

--
Joakim Engerstam
 
Thanks JLK.
Angus
JLK said:
Angus MacDonald said:
Jeffe said:
Try http://www.hiddenelements.com web site.

Richard Lynch has expanded the features of PSE2 enormously. I
don't know if he got it to work with 16 bit files though. Should
be on his site or can ask at the retouchpro forum, accessible form
his web site.

Working with 16 bit files gives improved image quality by avoiding
color banding when making edits in Photoshop.

Have fun,

Jeff
Angus MacDonald said:
Hi All,
When I try to open myx3f files, saved as 16 bit tiffs, in PS
elements2, I get the message..."this color depth not supported...?
convert to supported depth."
When I answer, yes, it converts to 8 bit.
Questions I need help with
1)...is the above a bad thing?
2)...is there some way to allow PSE2 to open 16 bit tiffs?
3)...does it matter?
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
While I love HiddenElements, there is no 16-bit editing
capabilities native to PSE2. You're going to have to spring for PS
(or PP) if you want to edit in 16-bit color.

--Jim--
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
 
Thanks, Gary.
Angus
gbainbridge said:
JLK said:
While I love HiddenElements, there is no 16-bit editing
capabilities native to PSE2.
Click to expand...
Tip: Get a copy of PS 5.0 LE. There's always loads for sale on ebay
(I suspect that the sellers think that it will be mistaken for the
real thing).

This has limited 16 bit support, but allows you to set and adjust
levels/colour all at 16 bit resolution. You can then set it to 8
bit to import into PSE.

--
Thanks,
Gary.
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
 
Thanks Joakim,
That's pretty much what I was planning to do too.

Do the editing in PP2 on the original x3f file, then if necessary to crop, do a save as to 16 bit tiff and open in PSE2 letting it covert to its 8 bit depth, then do the crop.
Thanks again,
Angus
Joakim Engerstam said:
I only use PSE for cropping, and the output file is 8-bit so it
should be considered a final image. If you dont edit in 16-bit you
pretty much miss the advantages of shooting raw.

--
Joakim Engerstam
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
 
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I think there's little or no advantage to saving from SPP in 16 bits in general, but to do so just to let elements convert back to 8 is completely pointless.

The advantage of shooting RAW is that you can do most of your adjustment BEFORE saving in an 8-bit colorspace. That's enough advantage that even saving as JPEG is not so bad.

j
Angus MacDonald said:
Joakim Engerstam said:
I only use PSE for cropping, and the output file is 8-bit so it
should be considered a final image. If you dont edit in 16-bit you
pretty much miss the advantages of shooting raw.

--
Joakim Engerstam
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
 
What I was trying to say, was to use SPP2 to do all of the editing in x3f file format first.
Then, and only then, if a crop was necessary what is one best to do?

All I have is PSE2 to do a crop. And this necessitates a conversion to 8 bit to get the image into PSE2 in the first place.

I asked Richard Lynch, and he says as far as he knows, there's no way to handle a 16 bit in PSE2.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks for all your help.
Angus
Just Looking said:
The advantage of shooting RAW is that you can do most of your
adjustment BEFORE saving in an 8-bit colorspace. That's enough
advantage that even saving as JPEG is not so bad.

j
Angus MacDonald said:
Joakim Engerstam said:
I only use PSE for cropping, and the output file is 8-bit so it
should be considered a final image. If you dont edit in 16-bit you
pretty much miss the advantages of shooting raw.

--
Joakim Engerstam
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
 
Your workflow looks good to me. The cropping in PSE2 is best done on a TIFF-file. Everytime you change a JPEG-file and saves it, the JPEG-compression algorithm is run again which further degrades the image a little bit. So open the TIFF-file in PSE2, cropp and then save as JPEG. I dont know if the conversion to 8-bit is best done in SPP2 or PSE2 but I really dont think there should be any difference.

You might want to check out this link:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=7047738
Angus MacDonald said:
What I was trying to say, was to use SPP2 to do all of the editing
in x3f file format first.
Then, and only then, if a crop was necessary what is one best to do?
All I have is PSE2 to do a crop. And this necessitates a conversion
to 8 bit to get the image into PSE2 in the first place.
I asked Richard Lynch, and he says as far as he knows, there's no
way to handle a 16 bit in PSE2.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks for all your help.
Angus
Click to expand...
--
Joakim Engerstam
 
Thanks Joakim,
Now it's clear.
Angus
Joakim Engerstam said:
You might want to check out this link:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=7047738
Angus MacDonald said:
What I was trying to say, was to use SPP2 to do all of the editing
in x3f file format first.
Then, and only then, if a crop was necessary what is one best to do?
All I have is PSE2 to do a crop. And this necessitates a conversion
to 8 bit to get the image into PSE2 in the first place.
I asked Richard Lynch, and he says as far as he knows, there's no
way to handle a 16 bit in PSE2.
Am I missing something here?
Thanks for all your help.
Angus
Click to expand...
--
Joakim Engerstam
Click to expand...
--
Use your head...
Go with your heart.
Angus
http://www.pbase.com/gusmur
 
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