Awesome jpeg viewer/RAW convertor

pbleic said:

Paul

Max Menon said:

I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU
lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its
meant to.

On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.

Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will
see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.

Max

pbleic said:

Max Menon said:

through this converter ?

Here is the RAW file ..
http://www.wired2net.com/downloads/CRW_1639.CRW

This is a sRGB image.

I did the conversion and the coffee table looked a LOT redder than
when I ran it through PS or Canon FV.

Also, the histogram seem to have a spike in the far right corner
... which does not match the histogram from PS or FV.

Someone please post their converted image here (with details) so I
can compare.

Thanks

Max

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Max Menon said:

Please bear with me ... I am not trying to find fault with this
utility ... its very fast so I want to make it work for me. As it
stands the RED is way over saturated.

Max

pbleic said:

Paul

Max Menon said:

I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU
lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its
meant to.

On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.

Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will
see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.

Max

pbleic said:

Max Menon said:

through this converter ?

Here is the RAW file ..
http://www.wired2net.com/downloads/CRW_1639.CRW

This is a sRGB image.

I did the conversion and the coffee table looked a LOT redder than
when I ran it through PS or Canon FV.

Also, the histogram seem to have a spike in the far right corner
... which does not match the histogram from PS or FV.

Someone please post their converted image here (with details) so I
can compare.

Thanks

Max

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pbleic said:

Bottom line - it is all adjustable with the R/G and B/G ratios for
WB in cPicture. Easier still with dcraw in PS. More to come.

Paul

Max Menon said:

Please bear with me ... I am not trying to find fault with this
utility ... its very fast so I want to make it work for me. As it
stands the RED is way over saturated.

Max

pbleic said:

Paul

Max Menon said:

I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU
lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its
meant to.

On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.

Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will
see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.

Max

pbleic said:

Max Menon said:

through this converter ?

Here is the RAW file ..
http://www.wired2net.com/downloads/CRW_1639.CRW

This is a sRGB image.

I did the conversion and the coffee table looked a LOT redder than
when I ran it through PS or Canon FV.

Also, the histogram seem to have a spike in the far right corner
... which does not match the histogram from PS or FV.

Someone please post their converted image here (with details) so I
can compare.

Thanks

Max

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David Barker said:

I'm assuming you don't have BB...

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DRG said:

pbleic said:

Adobe and Breeze both use dcraw, amongst others.

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Note that Breezebrowser won't convert an image without the Canon
SDK installed. I've read the same list of programs (on Dave
Coffin's web page) supposedly using DCRAW. However, "using" isn't
very descriptive. If BB uses DCRAW, it must be for creating the
thumbnails and previews. The final RAW conversion itself presents
exactly the same controls as the SDK provides and yields the same
results, except when Smart Noise Reduction or combined (linear +
gamma compensated) conversion is invoked. Indeed, BB won't convert
without installing Canon's software alongside.

Adobe also modifies the algorithm. Thomas Knoll himself talked
about modifying the way highlights are treated compared to the
prior version of ACR. Even if small, such modifications impact
image quality. It's not as though we're talking about a carbon copy
of the DCRAW code.

There's also an article by Chuan-kai Lin
( http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~linchuan/demosaic/adobe-raw.php ) in which
he examines ACR output and notices some deviations from the types
of artifacts produced by the Variable Number of Gradients algorithm
and even hints that a proprietary color space is being used. Again,
I think this may point to deviations from the DCRAW code.

David

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Zapped said:

pbleic said:

Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]

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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

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pbleic said:

So I won't do it. It isn't a commercial blog. It is just a
response to the requests from people on this forum. I don't really
care if it gets read. I was just trying to help people.

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pbleic said:

Another example of "no good deed goes unpunished."

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Bruce Hamilton said:

pbleic said:

But if Zapped feels this way, I am sure there are many others who
do as well. Here is my problem:

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Bruce Hamilton said:

What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.

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Paul,

The vast majority of readers really appeciate your efforts to raise
our awareness. The reason we don't rush to join your threads is no
different to why we don't rush to join Doug Kerr's excellent
technical threads - we don't have anything to add imemdiately - but
it doen't mean we don't appreciate or value the posts. There always
will be people here whose personal boundaries are different, we
just have to comment and move on.

I don't speak for Zapped, and he doesn't speak for me. The only
aspect of the original post that I would have preferred changed
would have been that more detail of the topic of your blog was in
the post. To me, the post seemed a little like bait - not always a
bad thing, but less attractive to me.

I'm sure your blog will be great and informative, in which case
people will highlight articles here, but why not participate here
and use your blog as the repository for articles so people can
visit to find further information, as happens with luminous
landscape articles?.

I will visit your blog when I can, but I mainly prefer to visit
here, because the diversity and numbers means the people here are
fast and furious when learning about new aspects of photography and
the 300D.

Bruce Hamilton

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raymondh said:

I welcome posts that contain links to other interesting sites. For
no other reason than it provides a break from the flames and trolls.

Ray

Bruce Hamilton said:

pbleic said:

But if Zapped feels this way, I am sure there are many others who
do as well. Here is my problem:

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raymondh said:

What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.

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Paul,

The vast majority of readers really appeciate your efforts to raise
our awareness. The reason we don't rush to join your threads is no
different to why we don't rush to join Doug Kerr's excellent
technical threads - we don't have anything to add imemdiately - but
it doen't mean we don't appreciate or value the posts. There always
will be people here whose personal boundaries are different, we
just have to comment and move on.

I don't speak for Zapped, and he doesn't speak for me. The only
aspect of the original post that I would have preferred changed
would have been that more detail of the topic of your blog was in
the post. To me, the post seemed a little like bait - not always a
bad thing, but less attractive to me.

I'm sure your blog will be great and informative, in which case
people will highlight articles here, but why not participate here
and use your blog as the repository for articles so people can
visit to find further information, as happens with luminous
landscape articles?.

I will visit your blog when I can, but I mainly prefer to visit
here, because the diversity and numbers means the people here are
fast and furious when learning about new aspects of photography and
the 300D.

Bruce Hamilton

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pbleic said:

Haven't you ever heard of someone doing something just because they
enjoy sharing with people? If not, I feel really badly for you.

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pbleic said:

I have some stuff to publish that some say is interesting. I want
to put it somewhere where it can be read, reviewed, etc. in one
place. I don't have the time or inclincation to post it in two
places and participate in discussions in two places. So, either I
go off and do my thing on the blog or I continue to post here.

I have pretty much gotten frustrated with posting here. I have to
bump my posts several times. At least on the blog someone who gets
there can find old stuff as well. In addition, you don't have to
wade through tons of newbie questions to do it.

What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.

Narnia said:

pbleic said:

Many, many people have asked me to post my information in a more
permanent place. They also say that they don't see my postings
because it gets lost in all the junk posted here. I asked for, and
got feedback on posting a blog, and everyone who responded said
they would like it.

So, with my own investment of time I created this blog. It
captures the usual things that I would have posted here and puts
them in place.

I thought people would like to know about it when I posted
interesting content, so I posted them here. Well, then I get your
"pbleic spam" feedback.

Very good. I won't post anything here about the blog any longer.
That means I won't post anything on dpreview anymore. Thanks for
saving me time and effort.

PS. Your website is aptly named.

Zapped said:

pbleic said:

Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]

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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

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pbleic said:

I have consistently posted here for several years - being fairly
generous with my ideas and my time. I have no reason to have my
ego stroked. I just like sharing my new ideas and discussing them.
Then people continually asked me to post them where they can be
"permanent." So, I created a web site. Problem is, that the web
site is pretty static. So, I found the blog concept - was easy to
do, like posting here -- but somewhat permanent without all the
noise in this forum.

And then I get this kind of harrassment from people like you - who
say "but don't pretend there's no alterior motive here."

I am not pretending anything. There is no ULTERIOR motive here.

Haven't you ever heard of someone doing something just because they
enjoy sharing with people? If not, I feel really badly for you.

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LeeBase said:

I think people are being reasonable with you --- and you are
getting angry.

I too value your content posts, and not just yours. I too post
content only to watch in scroll off in less than a day.

That's why I emailed you for your support for the wiki -- and you
said "good idea" -- but you haven't put any effort into it -- and a
wiki is something that EVERYONE can add content to.

That's ok -- you're right, but now you've started your own content
site and you want to post here, have people look there, and then, I
assume, have the conversation here.

That's cumbersome. It doesn't take a lot of time to copy and
paste. At least put the text in your post.

Now, you don't HAVE too -- that's for sure -- but it certainly
takes away from the convenience and therefore some of the value of
your work.

If there's anyone who's content creation volume merrit's it's own
site, it's you. Shoot, I couldn't even keep up with copying your
posts over to the wiki (although anyone can, not just me).

You posting your content on your site exclusively, and then just
coming here and saying "go read what I wrote" is no different than
any other content site pimping it's wares on someone else's forum.

What's different from what I'm doing? Only in that ANYONE can add
content -- it's meant as a "sticky board" companion to this site
and all the conversation happens here.

But even so -- I'm pimping just as you are. But at least you can
read the content here without having to go there. Going there is
simply a way to see stuff that scrolls off of here.

Lee

pbleic said:

I have consistently posted here for several years - being fairly
generous with my ideas and my time. I have no reason to have my
ego stroked. I just like sharing my new ideas and discussing them.
Then people continually asked me to post them where they can be
"permanent." So, I created a web site. Problem is, that the web
site is pretty static. So, I found the blog concept - was easy to
do, like posting here -- but somewhat permanent without all the
noise in this forum.

And then I get this kind of harrassment from people like you - who
say "but don't pretend there's no alterior motive here."

I am not pretending anything. There is no ULTERIOR motive here.

Haven't you ever heard of someone doing something just because they
enjoy sharing with people? If not, I feel really badly for you.

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LeeBase said:

Copy your content into here, and link back to your website as well.

Lee

pbleic said:

I have some stuff to publish that some say is interesting. I want
to put it somewhere where it can be read, reviewed, etc. in one
place. I don't have the time or inclincation to post it in two
places and participate in discussions in two places. So, either I
go off and do my thing on the blog or I continue to post here.

I have pretty much gotten frustrated with posting here. I have to
bump my posts several times. At least on the blog someone who gets
there can find old stuff as well. In addition, you don't have to
wade through tons of newbie questions to do it.

What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.

Narnia said:

pbleic said:

Many, many people have asked me to post my information in a more
permanent place. They also say that they don't see my postings
because it gets lost in all the junk posted here. I asked for, and
got feedback on posting a blog, and everyone who responded said
they would like it.

So, with my own investment of time I created this blog. It
captures the usual things that I would have posted here and puts
them in place.

I thought people would like to know about it when I posted
interesting content, so I posted them here. Well, then I get your
"pbleic spam" feedback.

Very good. I won't post anything here about the blog any longer.
That means I won't post anything on dpreview anymore. Thanks for
saving me time and effort.

PS. Your website is aptly named.

Zapped said:

pbleic said:

Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]

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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

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pbleic said:

stop." Then I get people who have been members of this board for
SIX days, who have engaged in half dozen hostile conversations
during that time, telling me that I am offending people.

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RATPhoto said:

Just as an aside, "white" paper often actually has a slightly blue
cast to it. So if you white balance with it, the scene ends up a
little too red.

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