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David Barker91965
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I wondered whether you might be interested to read what the BB Help section says about Linear conversion using BB?
"The advantage of linear conversion is that the images have a greater dynamic range with more shadow and highlight detail and it gives the user a lot of control in how to interpret the "raw" data. This takes more effort and isn't necessary for most images but can give very good results with some images.
"When linear conversion is selected the conversion routines only apply white balance correction. The Canon raw conversion routines do not sharpen the image or adjust the gamma, saturation and contrast when linear conversion is selected. This results in a very dark, dull and sometimes soft looking image. This can be corrected using BreezeBrowser's post processing options to sharpen the image and adjust the levels, gamma and saturation."
There is also a worked example but I probably shouldn't post that, and in any case it is only a small picture to illustrate the technique.
I'm assuming you don't have BB...
DB
"The advantage of linear conversion is that the images have a greater dynamic range with more shadow and highlight detail and it gives the user a lot of control in how to interpret the "raw" data. This takes more effort and isn't necessary for most images but can give very good results with some images.
"When linear conversion is selected the conversion routines only apply white balance correction. The Canon raw conversion routines do not sharpen the image or adjust the gamma, saturation and contrast when linear conversion is selected. This results in a very dark, dull and sometimes soft looking image. This can be corrected using BreezeBrowser's post processing options to sharpen the image and adjust the levels, gamma and saturation."
There is also a worked example but I probably shouldn't post that, and in any case it is only a small picture to illustrate the technique.
I'm assuming you don't have BB...
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...but he's got a point. It would be nice if Paul can post a brief synapses to his blog, so we can decide if we want to visit it or not. Paul is a great contributor here, but there is just so much information these days to be able to read everything. Look at Phil's site: he would occasionally link to an external content, but he would have a little summery or excerpt. A link saying, "look at this very cool camera at XYZ site", is not very useful.
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It's not about the equipment, but even the best photographer can't make a white wall interesting with a pinhole camera.
I never said your posts were not worthwile in general. Just for longetivity (people searching in 1 month, 6 months, etc), put information in your post other than the link.
Will the topic of your post be on the top of your page forever? Probably not, so your original post has no benefit after you make any updates to your blog.
Wow, learn to listen and not shut out every piece of criticism! Some people are doing it for the good of the forum you know.
Yes, I know BB has it, I just don't have BB!
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--...but he's got a point. It would be nice if Paul can post a brief
synapses to his blog, so we can decide if we want to visit it or
not. Paul is a great contributor here, but there is just so much
information these days to be able to read everything. Look at
Phil's site: he would occasionally link to an external content, but
he would have a little summery or excerpt. A link saying, "look at
this very cool camera at XYZ site", is not very useful.
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Ray Chen
It's not about the equipment, but even the best photographer can't
make a white wall interesting with a pinhole camera.
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OK, but not much.
No, but the archive will be available forever with titles AND there won't be a lot of other peoples stuff ther.
I am a volunteer at this, and doing it takes time away from my personal life. It is awful to do something and then have people be rude about it.
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David Barker91965
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I thought you didn't - I posted the quote because I thought it might tell you something about the way it's implemented in BB. It doesn't tell me anything of any use, but I'm still blundering about in the dark linear conversion forest, hoping to emerge into a sunny clearing at some point. I'm not seeing it yet though!
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Paul,
I appreciate your information and your contribution to discussions. I have also viewed your blog a couple of times and plan to check it every once in awhile.
My view on this is that you should probably provide a little more information in the forum on the topic before you refer the reader to your blog. I don't have any problem going to it when you say that you added something new that is of interest to me, but I understand how others may not feel that way. I know that it is extra work, but in order to participate in both this forum and a blog it should take extra work.
OT: Any good books from the library on photography lately (not the usual suspects).
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I appreciate your information and your contribution to discussions. I have also viewed your blog a couple of times and plan to check it every once in awhile.
My view on this is that you should probably provide a little more information in the forum on the topic before you refer the reader to your blog. I don't have any problem going to it when you say that you added something new that is of interest to me, but I understand how others may not feel that way. I know that it is extra work, but in order to participate in both this forum and a blog it should take extra work.
OT: Any good books from the library on photography lately (not the usual suspects).
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Paul,
I don't think that is necessarily a good idea. Part of the problem is that, although I don't think that you are doing this, some people will take this as promoting your blog and you will constantly have people going after you.
I would really recommend using your blog as a resource that can be referred to in a discussion. As I mentioned in a message down below, being a participant in this forum and in a blog will take extra work.
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I don't think that is necessarily a good idea. Part of the problem is that, although I don't think that you are doing this, some people will take this as promoting your blog and you will constantly have people going after you.
I would really recommend using your blog as a resource that can be referred to in a discussion. As I mentioned in a message down below, being a participant in this forum and in a blog will take extra work.
--Then people will know to skip it if they like.
--You better keep the posts and info coming, pbleic. There is
always someone(s) who isnt gong to say that you are off topic, or
that your picture sucks, or that your information is useless.
Well, thats to them...not to everyone.
Recently there have been some big pollitics in this forum. Im not
talking about world politics, I'm talking about people stepping up
and thinking they can say what they want, to whomever they want.
There has been a number of
"victims"....BigMike...Danella...michealthorn...
Dont become one of them pbleic...don't let someone (who has to list
every bit of equipment in his profile, like he has a status
issue)...tell you what you can and cant do here.
I've been a rebel owner since the start....ok, i didnt get one of
the best buy ones, but I did get my cam in Sep 03....and I come
here every day to view posts, just like yours, that give that
little bit of information that I hadnt seen before. Some little
tip that may help me improve my skills.
If people like you, who give so much good information, stop giving
it, we'll all stagnate, and no longer improve ourselves.
Ignore the negative people, and keep us positive people happy
You've got my vote.
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--I don't think that is necessarily a good idea. Part of the problem
is that, although I don't think that you are doing this, some
people will take this as promoting your blog and you will
constantly have people going after you.
I would really recommend using your blog as a resource that can be
referred to in a discussion. As I mentioned in a message down
below, being a participant in this forum and in a blog will take
extra work.
--Then people will know to skip it if they like.
--You better keep the posts and info coming, pbleic. There is
always someone(s) who isnt gong to say that you are off topic, or
that your picture sucks, or that your information is useless.
Well, thats to them...not to everyone.
Recently there have been some big pollitics in this forum. Im not
talking about world politics, I'm talking about people stepping up
and thinking they can say what they want, to whomever they want.
There has been a number of
"victims"....BigMike...Danella...michealthorn...
Dont become one of them pbleic...don't let someone (who has to list
every bit of equipment in his profile, like he has a status
issue)...tell you what you can and cant do here.
I've been a rebel owner since the start....ok, i didnt get one of
the best buy ones, but I did get my cam in Sep 03....and I come
here every day to view posts, just like yours, that give that
little bit of information that I hadnt seen before. Some little
tip that may help me improve my skills.
If people like you, who give so much good information, stop giving
it, we'll all stagnate, and no longer improve ourselves.
Ignore the negative people, and keep us positive people happy
You've got my vote.
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300D tips & updates
http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/tricks/digital-rebel-tricks.html
300D FAQ
http://www.marius.org/fom-serve/cache/3.html
Canon Tutorials
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/index.html
Paul
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I find it interesting that after reading ALL of the follow up threads and the intelligent comentary submitted, that ZAPPED, is nowhere to be seen or heard. Just fire off a comment like an AM talk radio jock and wait to see if there are any flames created. Why not participate after you rant as well! Or don't you have anything constructive to say?
CK
through this converter ?
Here is the RAW file ..
http://www.wired2net.com/downloads/CRW_1639.CRW
This is a sRGB image.
I did the conversion and the coffee table looked a LOT redder than when I ran it through PS or Canon FV.
Also, the histogram seem to have a spike in the far right corner ... which does not match the histogram from PS or FV.
Someone please post their converted image here (with details) so I can compare.
Thanks
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Here is the RAW file ..
http://www.wired2net.com/downloads/CRW_1639.CRW
This is a sRGB image.
I did the conversion and the coffee table looked a LOT redder than when I ran it through PS or Canon FV.
Also, the histogram seem to have a spike in the far right corner ... which does not match the histogram from PS or FV.
Someone please post their converted image here (with details) so I can compare.
Thanks
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Seems to me you used a custom wb, or set it on flash. The WB only works well with AWB, or has to be manually set with dcraw.
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To be clear - this is a nice quick viewer and quick RAW converter. It only works with AWB photos, or you have to do a manual WB step. However, it is great for what it is.
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Converted your picture. Not with cPicture, but through a process I will discuss in the next few days. What do you think of the dynamic range, WB, and sharpening?
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Thanks !
I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its meant to.
On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.
Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.
Max
http://www.imageevent.com/menonfamily
I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its meant to.
On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.
Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.
Max
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You said cPicture allows you the change the WB. All I see is the option to use AUTO WB ... I see nothing that allows me to choose Flash as the WB.
My point is ... if cPicture only works with AWB RAW files ... and since we all know that Canon AWB almost never works right ... how can we expect cPicture to balance it correctly ?
Often I use Canon FVU or PS-CS to set the WB to Flash or Tungsten etc. right before I convert the file ... does cPicture offer that ?
Max
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My point is ... if cPicture only works with AWB RAW files ... and since we all know that Canon AWB almost never works right ... how can we expect cPicture to balance it correctly ?
Often I use Canon FVU or PS-CS to set the WB to Flash or Tungsten etc. right before I convert the file ... does cPicture offer that ?
Max
--I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU
lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its
meant to.
On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.
Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will
see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.
Max
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Funny, I did my wb by using the white pad by and the white pad under the CD for making R=G=B. Rest of the colors should be right.
Paul
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Paul
--I had the camera set (incorrectly) to TUNGSTEN ... but Canon FVU
lets you change it to Flash ... and the coffee table looks as its
meant to.
On your processed image ... the coffee table is way too red.
Open the RAW in Canon FVU and change WB to Flash ... and you will
see what the coffee table is supposed to look like.
Max
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