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I installed the program and when it opens RAW files ... any RED in the picture is exaggerated ... and no amount of trying to tweak it in the converter settings popup helps.

Also .. how does one put the program in ADVANCED mode ... I see no such option.

Max
pbleic said:
Posted a description in todays blog:

http://pbleic.blogspot.com

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Adobe and Breeze both use dcraw, amongst others.
DRG said:
pbleic said:
http://www.insflug.org/raw/analysis/dcrawvsfvu/conclusion.php3
http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/digicam/dcraw/

and my opinion as well.--
Paul
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Hi Paul,

These links are hardly comprehensive and are old at this point. The
Variable Number of Gradients method is also old, having been
adopted by Dave Coffin based on reading a 1999 paper. There have
been technical papers since that describe new algorithms which
improve upon it. Whether or not any current software uses such
algorithms I do not know. However, it would be strange for
companies like C1 and Adobe not to be aware of the same literature.
Strong statements (claiming that this or that is "the best") really
do demand equally strong proof. Otherwise, I feel that it's safest
to just state that it's highly regarded and provide links to the
same sources that convinced you, so that others can come to their
own conclusions.

Please don't take this as criticism. I believe in trying to pump as
much useful info into these forums as possible. I'm intending this
as friendly commentary. As someone who submits technical papers to
peer review on a regular basis and returns the favor as a reviewer
on occasion, I'm used to not taking such commentary personally.

David
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I haven't found the red problem, at all. Do you check the "Use Camera WB?" Are you using the settings I suggest?
Max Menon said:
Also .. how does one put the program in ADVANCED mode ... I see no
such option.

Max
pbleic said:
Posted a description in todays blog:

http://pbleic.blogspot.com

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One is 2003, the other 2004
DRG said:
pbleic said:
http://www.insflug.org/raw/analysis/dcrawvsfvu/conclusion.php3
http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/digicam/dcraw/

and my opinion as well.--
Paul
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Hi Paul,

These links are hardly comprehensive and are old at this point. The
Variable Number of Gradients method is also old, having been
adopted by Dave Coffin based on reading a 1999 paper. There have
been technical papers since that describe new algorithms which
improve upon it. Whether or not any current software uses such
algorithms I do not know. However, it would be strange for
companies like C1 and Adobe not to be aware of the same literature.
Strong statements (claiming that this or that is "the best") really
do demand equally strong proof. Otherwise, I feel that it's safest
to just state that it's highly regarded and provide links to the
same sources that convinced you, so that others can come to their
own conclusions.

Please don't take this as criticism. I believe in trying to pump as
much useful info into these forums as possible. I'm intending this
as friendly commentary. As someone who submits technical papers to
peer review on a regular basis and returns the favor as a reviewer
on occasion, I'm used to not taking such commentary personally.

David
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Paul

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Paul-

Thanks for the link. Just started to dabble in shooting RAW. I've played with the program a little and I like what I see so far.
 
....just need to be anti-everything-that-isnt-their-idea.

You better keep the posts and info coming, pbleic. There is always someone(s) who isnt gong to say that you are off topic, or that your picture sucks, or that your information is useless. Well, thats to them...not to everyone.

Recently there have been some big pollitics in this forum. Im not talking about world politics, I'm talking about people stepping up and thinking they can say what they want, to whomever they want. There has been a number of "victims"....BigMike...Danella...michealthorn...

Dont become one of them pbleic...don't let someone (who has to list every bit of equipment in his profile, like he has a status issue)...tell you what you can and cant do here.

I've been a rebel owner since the start....ok, i didnt get one of the best buy ones, but I did get my cam in Sep 03....and I come here every day to view posts, just like yours, that give that little bit of information that I hadnt seen before. Some little tip that may help me improve my skills.

If people like you, who give so much good information, stop giving it, we'll all stagnate, and no longer improve ourselves.

Ignore the negative people, and keep us positive people happy :)

You've got my vote.
pbleic said:
Another example of "no good deed goes unpunished."
Joe246 said:
pbleic said:
Joe246 said:
midnitejam said:
Zapped said:
pbleic said:
Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]
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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

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http://www.pbase.com/pricklypear
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300D tips & updates
http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/tricks/digital-rebel-tricks.html

300D FAQ
http://www.marius.org/fom-serve/cache/3.html

Canon Tutorials
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/index.html
 
I will compromise. I will post Blog - Subject Here

Then people will know to skip it if they like.
Spaz said:
You better keep the posts and info coming, pbleic. There is
always someone(s) who isnt gong to say that you are off topic, or
that your picture sucks, or that your information is useless.
Well, thats to them...not to everyone.

Recently there have been some big pollitics in this forum. Im not
talking about world politics, I'm talking about people stepping up
and thinking they can say what they want, to whomever they want.
There has been a number of
"victims"....BigMike...Danella...michealthorn...

Dont become one of them pbleic...don't let someone (who has to list
every bit of equipment in his profile, like he has a status
issue)...tell you what you can and cant do here.

I've been a rebel owner since the start....ok, i didnt get one of
the best buy ones, but I did get my cam in Sep 03....and I come
here every day to view posts, just like yours, that give that
little bit of information that I hadnt seen before. Some little
tip that may help me improve my skills.

If people like you, who give so much good information, stop giving
it, we'll all stagnate, and no longer improve ourselves.

Ignore the negative people, and keep us positive people happy :)

You've got my vote.
pbleic said:
Another example of "no good deed goes unpunished."
Joe246 said:
pbleic said:
Joe246 said:
midnitejam said:
Zapped said:
pbleic said:
Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]
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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

--
Zapped (Austin, TX)
http://www.pbase.com/pricklypear
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Paul

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Unless specified otherwise, all images are Copyright 2003, 2004
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Paul

------------------------------------------------
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Photographs at: http://www.pbase.com/pbleic
--------------------------------------------------
Unless specified otherwise, all images are Copyright 2003, 2004
All rights reserved.
Click to expand...
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300D tips & updates
http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/tricks/digital-rebel-tricks.html

300D FAQ
http://www.marius.org/fom-serve/cache/3.html

Canon Tutorials
http://www.photoworkshop.com/canon/index.html
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pbleic said:
But if Zapped feels this way, I am sure there are many others who
do as well. Here is my problem:
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pbleic said:
What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.
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Paul,

The vast majority of readers really appeciate your efforts to raise our awareness. The reason we don't rush to join your threads is no different to why we don't rush to join Doug Kerr's excellent technical threads - we don't have anything to add imemdiately - but it doen't mean we don't appreciate or value the posts. There always will be people here whose personal boundaries are different, we just have to comment and move on.

I don't speak for Zapped, and he doesn't speak for me. The only aspect of the original post that I would have preferred changed would have been that more detail of the topic of your blog was in the post. To me, the post seemed a little like bait - not always a bad thing, but less attractive to me.

I'm sure your blog will be great and informative, in which case people will highlight articles here, but why not participate here and use your blog as the repository for articles so people can visit to find further information, as happens with luminous landscape articles?.

I will visit your blog when I can, but I mainly prefer to visit here, because the diversity and numbers means the people here are fast and furious when learning about new aspects of photography and the 300D.

Bruce Hamilton
 
I'm not saying that you should do this, but you could paste the first paragraph or two from your blogspot entry on a given topic with your post here. This wouldn't take more than a few seconds but it would give your post here on the forum some meaningful content, and give readers an idea of whether they're likely to want to follow the subject through to your blog thingy.

I have often felt that this forum is a victim of its own success - it's so popular that valuable/interesting stuff often drops off the first page in minutes, and is then either missed completely or has to be bumped. I would hesitate to make too many value judgements about the quality of other peoples posts though, because what seems like a "newbie question" to one person is a valuable learning tool for another.

As an aside, more imaginative selection of subject lines in posts would enable everyone to make better use of their time here, both in reading through threads and in use of the search facility.
pbleic said:
What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.
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DB
 
...then you'll be removing your link from your signature, as well as asking those kind individuals who have the "300D FAQ" link and "Tips and Tricks Link" to remove them from their signature too? Didn't think so.

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion - and you've helped me formulate mine on you too, efficient huh?
Zapped said:
pbleic said:
Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]
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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

--
Zapped (Austin, TX)
http://www.pbase.com/pricklypear
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Kind Regards
DWBell
 
pbleic said:
Adobe and Breeze both use dcraw, amongst others.
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Note that Breezebrowser won't convert an image without the Canon SDK installed. I've read the same list of programs (on Dave Coffin's web page) supposedly using DCRAW. However, "using" isn't very descriptive. If BB uses DCRAW, it must be for creating the thumbnails and previews. The final RAW conversion itself presents exactly the same controls as the SDK provides and yields the same results, except when Smart Noise Reduction or combined (linear + gamma compensated) conversion is invoked. Indeed, BB won't convert without installing Canon's software alongside.

Adobe also modifies the algorithm. Thomas Knoll himself talked about modifying the way highlights are treated compared to the prior version of ACR. Even if small, such modifications impact image quality. It's not as though we're talking about a carbon copy of the DCRAW code.

There's also an article by Chuan-kai Lin ( http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~linchuan/demosaic/adobe-raw.php ) in which he examines ACR output and notices some deviations from the types of artifacts produced by the Variable Number of Gradients algorithm and even hints that a proprietary color space is being used. Again, I think this may point to deviations from the DCRAW code.

David
 
By "old" in my first sentence, I meant based on software that predates new converter software releases such as EVU, the latest ACR in Photoshop CS, and the most recent C1 update. The age of the actual article wasn't my point. If DCRAW beats a year-old converter, how does that prove it's currently the best?

David
pbleic said:
DRG said:
pbleic said:
http://www.insflug.org/raw/analysis/dcrawvsfvu/conclusion.php3
http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/digicam/dcraw/

and my opinion as well.--
Paul
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Hi Paul,

These links are hardly comprehensive and are old at this point. The
Variable Number of Gradients method is also old, having been
adopted by Dave Coffin based on reading a 1999 paper. There have
been technical papers since that describe new algorithms which
improve upon it. Whether or not any current software uses such
algorithms I do not know. However, it would be strange for
companies like C1 and Adobe not to be aware of the same literature.
Strong statements (claiming that this or that is "the best") really
do demand equally strong proof. Otherwise, I feel that it's safest
to just state that it's highly regarded and provide links to the
same sources that convinced you, so that others can come to their
own conclusions.

Please don't take this as criticism. I believe in trying to pump as
much useful info into these forums as possible. I'm intending this
as friendly commentary. As someone who submits technical papers to
peer review on a regular basis and returns the favor as a reviewer
on occasion, I'm used to not taking such commentary personally.

David
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Paul

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Interesting about BB. Remember, though that I am just talking about the linear conversion. The rest of the process can cause color shifts, artifacts, etc.

From my perspective dcraw is valuable because it gives me a linear conversion - for doing my own manipulation; sharpening, etc. It gives me ultimate power in the conversion. The FVU/EVU does the same, but the conversion is not as good, IMHO. I haven't seen a linear file from BB, and I don't know which others also do linear.
DRG said:
pbleic said:
Adobe and Breeze both use dcraw, amongst others.
Click to expand...
Note that Breezebrowser won't convert an image without the Canon
SDK installed. I've read the same list of programs (on Dave
Coffin's web page) supposedly using DCRAW. However, "using" isn't
very descriptive. If BB uses DCRAW, it must be for creating the
thumbnails and previews. The final RAW conversion itself presents
exactly the same controls as the SDK provides and yields the same
results, except when Smart Noise Reduction or combined (linear +
gamma compensated) conversion is invoked. Indeed, BB won't convert
without installing Canon's software alongside.

Adobe also modifies the algorithm. Thomas Knoll himself talked
about modifying the way highlights are treated compared to the
prior version of ACR. Even if small, such modifications impact
image quality. It's not as though we're talking about a carbon copy
of the DCRAW code.

There's also an article by Chuan-kai Lin
( http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~linchuan/demosaic/adobe-raw.php ) in which
he examines ACR output and notices some deviations from the types
of artifacts produced by the Variable Number of Gradients algorithm
and even hints that a proprietary color space is being used. Again,
I think this may point to deviations from the DCRAW code.

David
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Don't be such a bad temperd moron. If you domn't like posts by this person, don't read them and don't annoy the rest of us with your stupid comments.
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Bill.
 
Paul,

You have made good contributions to the forum and I hope you will continue to do so.

I see no harm in posting a link to the blog, but it would be a little more helpful if you could cut/paste a small excerpt from the blog and then supplement it with the link.

Regards.
pbleic said:
I have some stuff to publish that some say is interesting. I want
to put it somewhere where it can be read, reviewed, etc. in one
place. I don't have the time or inclincation to post it in two
places and participate in discussions in two places. So, either I
go off and do my thing on the blog or I continue to post here.

I have pretty much gotten frustrated with posting here. I have to
bump my posts several times. At least on the blog someone who gets
there can find old stuff as well. In addition, you don't have to
wade through tons of newbie questions to do it.

What should I do? I don't want to annoy people on the forum.
Narnia said:
:)
pbleic said:
Many, many people have asked me to post my information in a more
permanent place. They also say that they don't see my postings
because it gets lost in all the junk posted here. I asked for, and
got feedback on posting a blog, and everyone who responded said
they would like it.

So, with my own investment of time I created this blog. It
captures the usual things that I would have posted here and puts
them in place.

I thought people would like to know about it when I posted
interesting content, so I posted them here. Well, then I get your
"pbleic spam" feedback.

Very good. I won't post anything here about the blog any longer.
That means I won't post anything on dpreview anymore. Thanks for
saving me time and effort.

PS. Your website is aptly named.
Zapped said:
pbleic said:
Posted a description in todays blog:
http://[vanity-here]
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I'm not pretending to be a forum moderator, just expressing my
opinion as a forum reader. I don't like reading these content-free
posts which endeavor to drive traffic to an external site, any more
than I like spam in my email Inbox. If you have something
informative to say, please put in in your post.

--
Zapped (Austin, TX)
http://www.pbase.com/pricklypear
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