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Post your best lens tests.

Frankly, recent lens tests by some people led me to believe that we have serious reading and/or education problems.

Who wants to see test shots in a dark basement on a piece of printer paper with some pencil thin lines at 10 feet? Anyone?
How about a shot of some dark green spice jars at 10 feet in a dark kitchen?

Why don't we try black velvet in a dark room at 5 feet? We'd sure have a lot of "bad" lenses!

Oh, and lastly, I hate those tests that have NO detail at all on the focal length, f-stop, shutter, ISO, lighting, distance, or anything else.

I repeat: Post your best lens tests. Include info about distance, f-stop, ISO, lighting, shutter, filters. I'd like to see high contrast, well-lit shots.

Thanks.
 
should have left the focus overlay on would be curious where the minds eye wanders.....

Cal
I just got done testing my 10D with my Sigma 15-30 EX lens. Looks
spot on at f11.

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Sorry hockeynuts,

I'm only to assume that at least one of your comments was directed at me. I guess I didn't realize that this forum that happens to be entitled "Canon SLR Lens Talk" was strictly for posting gallery-worthy shots.... In fact, isn't there another section for that altogether? It would seem to me that a forum intended to discuss Canon Lenses would certainly include some informal test shots, especially on a particular lens that has been rumored to have potential problems. Besides that, if you have such a hatred for those types of boring test shots.....then why do you waste your time posting in nearly every single one of them? Thats a serious question and I would like an answer. If you are going to knock people who post test shots and accuse them of wasting their time and not getting out to shoot real-life shots.....then what the heck are you doing by looking at each one of them and posting several negative messages about how stupid we are for doing it? Surely, you can't be posting all this negativity and be out shooting your spectacular real-life shots at the very same time. :)

Ease up hockeyman. If you don't like the test shots, don't open those threads. You've clearly scrutinized each one of the recent posts as you have managed to negatively critique nearly each one individually in this thread....Stop worrying about what I'm doing with my shooting and telling me how stupid I am and go out and do some shooting yourself.

No, I am not professional. No, I am not even close. But I do like to take photos and am interested in having my relatively expensive lens function correctly. Are you going to keep yelling at me for that and acting like a middle-schooler, or might you actually post some information that could help someone?

BTW, very nice shots posted here! Thanks for sharing those everyone else.

Hockey....no harm intended....but geez....lay off a little. If you don't like our test shots...go to another thread...Its just about that simple. Kind of like the old saying about not speaking if you don't have anything nice(helpful) to say. As far as I can see, your negative messages haven't helped any of us determine the quality of our new lenses. :)

daniel
 
Sorry hockeynuts,

I'm only to assume that at least one of your comments was directed
at me. I guess I didn't realize that this forum that happens to be
entitled "Canon SLR Lens Talk" was strictly for posting
gallery-worthy shots.... In fact, isn't there another section for
that altogether? It would seem to me that a forum intended to
discuss Canon Lenses would certainly include some informal test
shots, especially on a particular lens that has been rumored to
have potential problems.
Methinks his point just went buzzing over your head. Please slow down a minute and don't get so defensive. He isn't protesting test shots in general, he is suggesting that to be of any use to anyone else they must be conducted in a standardized manner, meaning in good light and with well thought-out targets. All pertinent info should be included, such as distance from subject, lens used, aperture, etc....

A picture of an angled ruler in a dim room with no mention of any particulars will tell no one, least of all the tester, anything relevent.
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I agree...If you think you have a problem you need to test in a controlled environment, but I like to test the limits and find out just what I can get by with when I am not in perfect conditions. Here are a couple of examples of less than ideal conditions. Hand held & inside at night under poor lighting. I played with the WB on the 50 1.4, but both were taken in the same living room light.

70-200 2.8 IS



50 1.4



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Post your best lens tests.

Frankly, recent lens tests by some people led me to believe that we
have serious reading and/or education problems.

Who wants to see test shots in a dark basement on a piece of
printer paper with some pencil thin lines at 10 feet? Anyone?
How about a shot of some dark green spice jars at 10 feet in a dark
kitchen?
Why don't we try black velvet in a dark room at 5 feet? We'd sure
have a lot of "bad" lenses!

Oh, and lastly, I hate those tests that have NO detail at all on
the focal length, f-stop, shutter, ISO, lighting, distance, or
anything else.

I repeat: Post your best lens tests. Include info about distance,
f-stop, ISO, lighting, shutter, filters. I'd like to see high
contrast, well-lit shots.

Thanks.
 
Tammy,

I don't think anything "went buzzing over my head." I realize what hockeyman was saying...my point is that he takes the time to post negativity in everyone's 'less-than-perfect' test shot threads. And quite frankly I'm tired of reading it. No, I don't have studio lighting in my home....sorry I couldn't post test shots in perfect lighting. Oh yeah, I also didn't have $800 test targets...so my crappy green spice bottles had to suffice for that particular evening. But hey, I did most the specifics for the first 4 shots, within my first post....This included just about everything I think. (ISO, focal length, shutter, fstop) So, maybe hockey's criticism would be more acceptable if he would simply ask us for more info..or ask us to post a second test changing specific parts of our methods to increase validity.

Its not that I'm defending my tests Tammy....I realize that they aren't a tell all and I think I also posted several times, that as soon as the weather and other circumstances permitted, that I would test out my new lens with 'real' shots. This did happen today, by the way, and I think I'm pretty happy with the results....I'll post them soon. I just don't see a need for all the negativity and sarcasm. If Hockeyguy's point was to let us know that we are not equipment-test professionals....then, I think we got understood him the first few times he told us. I'm just saying that a little advice would be much more helpful than a new sarcastic thread.

Anyway...I'm done with it...I'll post some of the real-life shots taken with the new 70-200 f4 soon...

thanks
daniel
 
TimD,

I'm all for testing in a controlled environment. I'm working toward a Doctorate in empirical research and have had papers published. I understand controlling variables to the greatest extent possible and I fully agree that our informal tests were less than perfect demonstrations of the len's capability/shortcomings, and did not yield absolutely valid results.

Like you though, I thought that the tests that I did do provided more info than just sitting and looking at my lens up on the shelf. I wasnt going to send my lens back or praise it endlessly based on those tests....I did want to see what kind of results I could get in the terribly limited lighting and less than perfect targets.

By the way, I think your pencil/carpet examples are pretty revealing. For an extremely simple test, I think it works well. I have highly textured carpet as well and actually thought about using it like that last night, but decided against it. After seeing yours though, I probably should have done the carpet instead of the beer cans eh? :)
 
Post your best lens tests.

Frankly, recent lens tests by some people led me to believe that we
have serious reading and/or education problems.

Who wants to see test shots in a dark basement on a piece of
printer paper with some pencil thin lines at 10 feet? Anyone?
How about a shot of some dark green spice jars at 10 feet in a dark
kitchen?
Why don't we try black velvet in a dark room at 5 feet? We'd sure
have a lot of "bad" lenses!

Oh, and lastly, I hate those tests that have NO detail at all on
the focal length, f-stop, shutter, ISO, lighting, distance, or
anything else.

I repeat: Post your best lens tests. Include info about distance,
f-stop, ISO, lighting, shutter, filters. I'd like to see high
contrast, well-lit shots.

Thanks.
Incandescent bulb, about as close as I can focus...most info is listed.



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Post your best lens tests.

Frankly, recent lens tests by some people led me to believe that we
have serious reading and/or education problems.

Who wants to see test shots in a dark basement on a piece of
printer paper with some pencil thin lines at 10 feet? Anyone?
How about a shot of some dark green spice jars at 10 feet in a dark
kitchen?
Why don't we try black velvet in a dark room at 5 feet? We'd sure
have a lot of "bad" lenses!

Oh, and lastly, I hate those tests that have NO detail at all on
the focal length, f-stop, shutter, ISO, lighting, distance, or
anything else.

I repeat: Post your best lens tests. Include info about distance,
f-stop, ISO, lighting, shutter, filters. I'd like to see high
contrast, well-lit shots.

Thanks.
1/2s f/4.0 at 17.0mm iso1600...re-sized, levels, but no USM...about 4-5 feet...dark.
Oh...and hand-held, too, by my daughter...not me.



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Here's some shots taken with a Canon Powershot Pro1 28-200L lens.



Super Macro Mode
Lens set on about 50mm.
AF, AV mode. Handheld, overcast day. Auto white balance.



1/80 shutter speed
F3.5,
Apx 40mm in Super Macro mode. Auto white ballance.

Phillip
 
Like most people that post tests like yours, I don't think you realized what you did.

You post questionable shots with very little info. You lead people to believe that you have a bad lens, and also that it's a widespread problem.

Naturally, people wonder if their lenses are defective too, and if they duplicate your testing, they'll probably come to the same conclusion.

Right now, dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of people are racing to dig out their lenses, some spice bottles, and waiting until their kitchen is equally dark to say, "Hey, my lens is bad too!" Would you like to be a camera shop owner/employee and see tests like these brought to you? I doubt it.

Put 10 minutes of time into your next test instead of 30 seconds. Write down your theory, how you'd like to prove it and also what might disprove it, and the controls and variables used to get the data. You don't need $2000 in studio lights. You don't need $800 test targets. But, look for weaknesses in your testing. Remember, you're trying to prove one of two things... that you've got a good lens, or a bad lens. So, you need to find strong points as much as weak points, and then you need to draw a conclusion.

When you've got your theory, your test results, your facts, and your conclusion, post it to the group. You will be surprised at the response.

I'm not directing 100% of my ire at you. You and several others were simply the most recent. I (and many others) get irritated seeing the same simple-minded tests day after day after day with the same, "Hey, I think I have a bum lens!" Very quickly, it snowballs. Everyone starts duplicating everyone else's poorly made tests, and we've got a large group of people that believe each other that they all have the same lens.

My response to most people is, "No, you have a lens that shoots poorly at poor test subjects in poor light."

Urging people to read their manual, learn the physics of photography... most people don't want to learn, they just want to be able to mindlessly take the perfect picture for the lowest $$$.

I ask people to set some realistic expectations, and take into account the properties of their environment. They don't want to understand that depth of field at 170mm zoom, f4, at a subject distance of 10 feet, is almost nothing. With short DOF, calibration errors seem amazingly large. Yet the same error at 50 feet seems infinitely small. And in poor light, you run an even greater risk of AF error. Add in low contrast subject, and the risk really starts to pile up.

Yet if you take the same situation and move out to 50 feet or stop down several f-stops, the 1% error is not noticeable. Most people never take the time to learn the physics of photography. They simply hear a story, duplicate someone else's tests, and chime in with their results. Irresponsible.
I don't think anything "went buzzing over my head." I realize what
hockeyman was saying...my point is that he takes the time to post
negativity in everyone's 'less-than-perfect' test shot threads.
And quite frankly I'm tired of reading it. No, I don't have studio
lighting in my home....sorry I couldn't post test shots in perfect
lighting. Oh yeah, I also didn't have $800 test targets...so my
crappy green spice bottles had to suffice for that particular
evening. But hey, I did most the specifics for the first 4 shots,
within my first post....This included just about everything I
think. (ISO, focal length, shutter, fstop) So, maybe hockey's
criticism would be more acceptable if he would simply ask us for
more info..or ask us to post a second test changing specific parts
of our methods to increase validity.

Its not that I'm defending my tests Tammy....I realize that they
aren't a tell all and I think I also posted several times, that as
soon as the weather and other circumstances permitted, that I would
test out my new lens with 'real' shots. This did happen today, by
the way, and I think I'm pretty happy with the results....I'll post
them soon. I just don't see a need for all the negativity and
sarcasm. If Hockeyguy's point was to let us know that we are not
equipment-test professionals....then, I think we got understood him
the first few times he told us. I'm just saying that a little
advice would be much more helpful than a new sarcastic thread.

Anyway...I'm done with it...I'll post some of the real-life shots
taken with the new 70-200 f4 soon...

thanks
daniel
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