Poor color out of camera??? Please see images

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Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



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Hi,

What are you settings or are you using RAW ?

Jim
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1) for accurate color you really need to use custom white balance (especially indoors in artificial lighting)

2) you have a bit of a mixed lighting situation going on here with light from your room light and monitor. For some reason digital cameras have a particularly hard time dealing with colorbalance when a monitor is in a photo (I forget the reason why).

-Jordan
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

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-Jordan
 
Thanks you.
2) you have a bit of a mixed lighting situation going on here with
light from your room light and monitor. For some reason digital
cameras have a particularly hard time dealing with colorbalance
when a monitor is in a photo (I forget the reason why).

-Jordan
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

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-Jordan
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My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 
...and mixed light sources (as previously stated) is the major reason why. It's no different using Tungsten/Daylight film. Also, by correcting in Photoshop, you may get a true white, but you'll probably through other colors in the image off (either hue, value, or saturation).

Shoot the gray or the white of the 'gray card' and use custom white balance to set that as the white value. That will get you close, but with any light capturing device, you're gonna get mixed results when your light sources are different temperatures. That's why a photostudio has 100% controlled lighting.
 
what were you metering and in what mode? Lets say you were photographging a completely blank white wall for some unknown reason. The camera would try to expose this to render the image as neutral grey (the same thing would happen if you filled the frame with a blank black wall). This is the same problem people have when photographing snow. Depending on what your metering (and the metering method used) the white will come out darker or lighter than perhaps intended.

-Jordan
2) you have a bit of a mixed lighting situation going on here with
light from your room light and monitor. For some reason digital
cameras have a particularly hard time dealing with colorbalance
when a monitor is in a photo (I forget the reason why).

-Jordan
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

--
-Jordan
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-Jordan
 
Ummm.....photo was taken in MANUAL MODE f/2.8 1/8 second ISO 100. Center focusing point active aimed at grey area on grey card
-Jordan
2) you have a bit of a mixed lighting situation going on here with
light from your room light and monitor. For some reason digital
cameras have a particularly hard time dealing with colorbalance
when a monitor is in a photo (I forget the reason why).

-Jordan
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

--
-Jordan
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-Jordan
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My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 
Realy..

I was following the advice from Scott Kelby's book. He suggested that if, after shooting, you sample each point from the grey card your photo will be dead on.
...and mixed light sources (as previously stated) is the major
reason why. It's no different using Tungsten/Daylight film. Also,
by correcting in Photoshop, you may get a true white, but you'll
probably through other colors in the image off (either hue, value,
or saturation).

Shoot the gray or the white of the 'gray card' and use custom white
balance to set that as the white value. That will get you close,
but with any light capturing device, you're gonna get mixed results
when your light sources are different temperatures. That's why a
photostudio has 100% controlled lighting.
--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 
Ok that would likely have given you an approximation of appropriate exposure but not necessarilly spot on. In manual mode the camera is using center weighted metering. This will give the most weight to the central 14-20% or so of the image (if I remember correctly) but the rest of the scene still has some influence as well. So you are not necessarilly rendering the neutral grey as neutral grey in this circumstance. The light coming directly from the monitor probably didnt help much either. Regarldess though the appropriate expsoure really depends on what your trying to achieve (neutral grey dosnt need to be rendered as neutral grey). Since you were trying to capture exactly what you saw for this test a spot meter would have been helpful but unfortunately its a feature that the lower end canons lack. You could use partial metering for an approximation which may provide slightly better results (assuming the grey fills enough of the partial metering area).

-Jordan
-Jordan
2) you have a bit of a mixed lighting situation going on here with
light from your room light and monitor. For some reason digital
cameras have a particularly hard time dealing with colorbalance
when a monitor is in a photo (I forget the reason why).

-Jordan
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

--
-Jordan
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-Jordan
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My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

--
-Jordan
 
Not familiar with the book, but it sounds like an over simplification...your gray card looks pretty good in the corrected image (maybe a hair light, but we're looking at .jpgs on a computer screen). It's the other elements in the scene that have shifted...

I'm going to guess that there's a window to the left of the desk? The blue highlight on the edge of the desk looks like daylight coming into a tungsten balanced scene. Your best bet is to first control the lighting (or at least be aware of what the different light sources do to color), then control the exposure. You're still going to have to post process most of the time if you want really good color, but this is true with film as well...and all digies. Again, shooting raw or at least using custom white balance will get you a little closer out of the camera.
I was following the advice from Scott Kelby's book. He suggested
that if, after shooting, you sample each point from the grey card
your photo will be dead on.
...and mixed light sources (as previously stated) is the major
reason why. It's no different using Tungsten/Daylight film. Also,
by correcting in Photoshop, you may get a true white, but you'll
probably through other colors in the image off (either hue, value,
or saturation).

Shoot the gray or the white of the 'gray card' and use custom white
balance to set that as the white value. That will get you close,
but with any light capturing device, you're gonna get mixed results
when your light sources are different temperatures. That's why a
photostudio has 100% controlled lighting.
--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

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http://www.dougridgway.com/dpreview/urb_01/
 
Yes you're right that is window light on the left side of the desk.
I'm going to guess that there's a window to the left of the desk?
The blue highlight on the edge of the desk looks like daylight
coming into a tungsten balanced scene. Your best bet is to first
control the lighting (or at least be aware of what the different
light sources do to color), then control the exposure. You're still
going to have to post process most of the time if you want really
good color, but this is true with film as well...and all digies.
Again, shooting raw or at least using custom white balance will get
you a little closer out of the camera.
I was following the advice from Scott Kelby's book. He suggested
that if, after shooting, you sample each point from the grey card
your photo will be dead on.
...and mixed light sources (as previously stated) is the major
reason why. It's no different using Tungsten/Daylight film. Also,
by correcting in Photoshop, you may get a true white, but you'll
probably through other colors in the image off (either hue, value,
or saturation).

Shoot the gray or the white of the 'gray card' and use custom white
balance to set that as the white value. That will get you close,
but with any light capturing device, you're gonna get mixed results
when your light sources are different temperatures. That's why a
photostudio has 100% controlled lighting.
--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

--
http://www.dougridgway.com/dpreview/urb_01/
--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 
I've noticed that the Dreb has a hard time with blues, period. Especially with skies. I'll eventually get around to posting some pics to illustrate this point but I made a post a while back to the D70 forum asking why it might be and no real responses. I've tried both cameras and hands down the D70 produces more accurate colors. These are just my observations and I'm not trying to raise the debate about comparing the 2 cameras all over again so don't jump down my throat ;)
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 
It looks like the most dramatic difference between those two pictures is contrast and white/black point. I noticed that when shooting RAW most of my pictures normally have a decent gap between the left edge of the histogram and 0, making shots look washed out (like your example). This just means that the sensor's dynamic range is more than sufficient for the shot. Moving the black point up to the beginning of the histogram makes a big difference. Normally the JPEGs are okay, as they should be.

It does look like your processed version also has a bit different white balance. As the parent poster noted, a monitor is a light source (and a very strange one) so it's not surprising that auto white balance has some issues.
2) you have a bit of a mixed lighting situation going on here with
light from your room light and monitor. For some reason digital
cameras have a particularly hard time dealing with colorbalance
when a monitor is in a photo (I forget the reason why).

-Jordan
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

--
-Jordan
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Robb

 
I'm a newbie here, but why not try an incident meter. It will tell you the light that is falling on the subject regardless of the reflectance. I bet the image was underexposed more so than not white balanced properly. Just my .02.

Larry
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 
Blue and red are the outer lightspectrum we can see.

We have very poor eye-sight, and are completly blind for light in outer spectrum.
The monitor looks like it transmits mostly blue light energy, but does it?

The blue monitor screen will look for US almost equal bright as the scene.
But for the electronic sensor it may be looking directly at a blue sun.

The sensor is triggered by light energy charge, maybe the monitor is a 1000x brighter the the calibration paper.

Take a white paper and hold it directly to the sun, you are blinded by the intensity of the sun beam's.
And I think your white paper looks not white but more yellow.

If are trying the last suggestion, take a good look at your girlfriend, she may never look the same to you.LOL
Don't flame!! I love the Dreb...Just curious about why colors come
out the way they do. The below image was shot no flash is right out
of camera. Image taken of grey card



Second image is corrected in photoshop. Using curves, I used
eyedropper to sample black, white, and grey points on card....Why
don't the images look like this straight out of camera?



--
My images:
http://michael972.smugmug.com

 

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