Can one of the girls post soccer pics? [P]

Boo · May 20, 2004

Natinha said:
Personally, if I post an image here, I hope that someone will
illustrate to me how they think I could process the image better. I
can't lose - because I can only agree or disagree.

But that is your view on it and mine simply differs. You don't mind your images being changed, I do. Had I been unhappy with the image or felt there was a problem with it, I would have made that clear and asked for help. I asked for comments, I didn't say there was a problem with the image, how can I address it? In this instance, I didn't feel the response was appropriate or justified. Please just accept that my feelings about my images are different than yours.

Natinha said:
Just be careful, because maybe one day you won't be happy about
some of your photos and you could really do with some help...maybe
then you might not get it? You understand where I'm coming from?

That sounds suspiciously like a threat. If I ask for help, as with any post made here, it will either be responded to, or it won't. People will respond if they choose to. I myself have posters I don't bother helping or in many cases even reading, if people have a problem with me, they'll do likewise, as is their prerogative.

Natinha said:
Please dont take the sense of community and the desire to help one
another to improve as photographers and digital-develpers out of
this forum.

I didn't think I was, I have been courteous and respectful in every post I've made. I fail to see why personal insults (you yourself suggested that the heat was obviously getting to me) and character assasination need to have a place here. I'm happy to discuss the issues, but I don't see why I should be personally insulted, it simply isn't necessary to discuss a photography issue.

Perhaps you'd also like to offer some comment on the images, you have commented on my posting technique, but not on the photography.

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canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

Quote'I don't want to speak for you'. Is that some kind of underhanded shot? If you had been courteous you will have received a different answer from me. I think it is the kettle calling the pot black. Remember it is a 2 way street. And there was this reply from you. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=8861948

David Barker said:
I don't think you're being entirely fair in trying to pin the label
of disrespectfulness onto me. I've responded to you only with
courtesy, despite your rude reply earlier. Let's just leave it
there shall we?

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

Let's try to keep this forum above the level to which some people
seem to want to drag it down.

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

canonuser123 said:

Respect is not a one way street. It has to go both ways.

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canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

What does your reply have anything to do with what I said below? It is not even on topic regards what I am replying to. Are you always this controlling in how or when others chose to post? That could be part of the problem.

Boo said:
canonuser123 said:

It will be a sad day when people have to ask first before any help
is offered. Could be this is the reason why more people are so
reluctant to help. Those inclined by nature to help do so
naturally without asking.

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I have to wonder why you only signed up recently and as of my
typing, have made 30 posts - 50% of which are in this thread alone,
your most recent previous post being 2 weeks ago and you haven't
posted in any other thread. Surely with the depth of posting and
variety of subjects covered here, you could find something more of
interest. Perhaps you'd like to offer a view on the actual images
posted, you seem particularly interested in this thread without
even addressing the opening issue.

You might also like to dip into my posting history and read some of
my posts - I have made a good number over a prolongued period here,
a significant percentage of which are specifically offering help,
some very detailed. I have no issue whatsoever with anyone
offering help or image appraisal, but I didn't appreciate the
nature of it in this instance, no matter how well intentioned the
poster was and having stated that, it would have been nice if it
could simply have been respected and accepted.

It's interesting that so many Canadians have contributed to this
thread, it must have a particular interest - do you play
football/soccer there?

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http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically
requested or given permission to do so.

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

Boo said:
Natinha said:

Personally, if I post an image here, I hope that someone will
illustrate to me how they think I could process the image better. I
can't lose - because I can only agree or disagree.

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But that is your view on it and mine simply differs. You don't
mind your images being changed, I do. Had I been unhappy with the
image or felt there was a problem with it, I would have made that
clear and asked for help. I asked for comments, I didn't say there
was a problem with the image, how can I address it? In this
instance, I didn't feel the response was appropriate or justified.
Please just accept that my feelings about my images are different
than yours.

This is a community and this is what happens here alot. I don't think people disrespect you for not wanting images to be changed but it is the way you went about it in a rude way. You might not agree with it but that is how it came across to many. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=8862728

Boo said:
Boo said:

Just be careful, because maybe one day you won't be happy about
some of your photos and you could really do with some help...maybe
then you might not get it? You understand where I'm coming from?

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That sounds suspiciously like a threat. If I ask for help, as with
any post made here, it will either be responded to, or it won't.
People will respond if they choose to. I myself have posters I
don't bother helping or in many cases even reading, if people have
a problem with me, they'll do likewise, as is their prerogative.

A threat? Oh please, must you be so dramatic in everything?

Boo said:
Boo said:

Please dont take the sense of community and the desire to help one
another to improve as photographers and digital-develpers out of
this forum.

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This post gets right to the point. Worth a read if you haven't read it. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=8861765

Boo said:
I didn't think I was, I have been courteous and respectful in every
post I've made. I fail to see why personal insults (you yourself
suggested that the heat was obviously getting to me) and character
assasination need to have a place here. I'm happy to discuss the
issues, but I don't see why I should be personally insulted, it
simply isn't necessary to discuss a photography issue.

Perhaps you'd also like to offer some comment on the images, you
have commented on my posting technique, but not on the photography.

You just don't get it do you?

Boo said:
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http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically
requested or given permission to do so.

Boo · May 20, 2004

canonuser123 said:
What does your reply have anything to do with what I said below?
It is not even on topic regards what I am replying to. Are you
always this controlling in how or when others chose to post? That
could be part of the problem.

It was perfectly on topic - I was commenting specifically on our relative posting histories with regard to offering help here - the very point you'd raised - and I invited you to comment on the photos I posted initially, you seem to prefer commenting on my (and other people's) posting style than addressing photography issues. You've made 17 posts in this one thread now without even discussing anything photographic.

What did you think of the pictures, my choice of settings, post processing techniques, framing, could you recommend a better lens for sports work?

Aren't we here to discuss photography with the Canon 300D?

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So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio & tutorials
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images

Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically requested or given permission to do so.

David Barker91965 · May 20, 2004

You've got me there. I'm completely baffled.

You asked me if I wished to speak for you. I replied that I didn't (as you quoted). That's about the straightest, least underhand shot I could possibly imagine.

The link you provided leads to the words "See above (The bottom line)". If that was discourteous I'm at a loss as to why.

I think you are trying to read far more into all this than really exists.

canonuser123 said:
David Barker said:

I don't think you're being entirely fair in trying to pin the label
of disrespectfulness onto me. I've responded to you only with
courtesy, despite your rude reply earlier. Let's just leave it
there shall we?

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

Let's try to keep this forum above the level to which some people
seem to want to drag it down.

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

canonuser123 said:

Respect is not a one way street. It has to go both ways.

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thejaybird · May 20, 2004

Great pics--easily some of the best sports photojournalism I've seen on this forum.

Side note: the only way to prevent others from copying your files is to not post them. This is a digital medium and copying is free, untraceable, and unpreventable.

Boo said:
The band I work for took part in a celebrity charity soccer
tournament on Sunday and I was commissioned to photograph it for
them, I covered the same event last year, but had the Fuji 602 then
and it was one of the times where I felt it fell short of the task,
the shutter lag and my personal inexperience with sports work and
the skills required to track and focus on action meant I seemed to
miss a lot of the shots I wanted, although viewing them last week
in preparation for this event made me realise I still got some
decent shots - it's been the event I've covered that has resulted
in most print requests by the band themselves.

I worked exclusively with the 28-135mm and 100-300mm lenses - I can
see why lenses like the 70-200 are popular, that would be a good
range - many of my shots fell within those distances, although as
you can see at the bottom, I went to 300m on some for my own
amusement and filled the frame with action - I think I like them
some of the best, but they satisfied me more than the brief.

I worked in Av mode and kept the lens as wide as possible for the
FL to reduce DOF. I shot in RAW and I knew the black and white
strips would be problematic, so I decided not to worry too much
about exposure on this occasion, knowing the light was good and I
had leeway with RAW - it worked a treat, I didn't adjust anything
more than 1/2 stop in either direction.

I used centre point focusing and didn't try to force AI servo as I
expected to, I never felt the need for it, the camera seemed fast
enough. It was an interesting task to undertake and I know I
improved as they day progressed, although the sensation of the ball
and players hurtling towards you through a 300mm lens is a tad
disconcerting and I fell foul of it twice, once ducking out of the
way when I thought they were closer than they were and looked daft
when they were nowhere near me and I was more brave the second time
and stood my ground and paid the price with a ball in the shin! I
squealed in a rather uncool manner like Ned Flanders.

Some of the Brits may recognise the chap getting his shorts pulled

I did a double take when he was introduced, I hadn't realised how

uncannily he looks like his father. He delivered the ball to my
shin!

I'd be interested to hear the comments of the keen sports
photographers, as this is a whole new experience for me and
somewhat at odds with my normal disciplines. I'm personally pretty
happy with the results, although I'm sure there is room for
improvement, I saw some of the shots the press pros there were
nailing and I know I have a lot to learn. The camera met my
needs and expectations on the day and I didn't feel I was lacking
anything. Had I had full time AI Servo I might have appreciated
it, but I didn't feel I missed it or needed to try and get it
working - I took a lot of shots and very few are out of focus -
funnily those that aren't sharp are not action shots!

I'll eventually publish a set of about 40 frames, but these are
some of my personal favourites:

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Jarl Sandberg · May 20, 2004

Here is one very good summary about copyright on the net

that I once came across. I am not claiming that it has especially much to do with how this thread developed, but these link are good when you want to learn more about copyright.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copyright.html

and 10 myths about copyright explained is also rather good to read

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Regards

--jalle

NotTheOracle said:
In fact, by posting your images on a public message board, that
only exists because it provides a platform to communicate, discuss,
and give feedback - be that visual or text - I would argue that you
have not taken the necessary steps to protect your images from
copyright misuse

...

NotTheOracle said:
PS, Nice photo's all the same...

lnd · May 20, 2004

canonuser123 said:
This is a community

This is a group of strangers with a common interest in photography and diverse views on a whole range of issues.

--
Larry D
http://home.clara.net/lnd

HonestMan · May 20, 2004

I once got into a heated discussion with Boo when I first joined this message board. If I had seen this thread before that discussion, I would have just ignored her.

P.S. Even if you write something in your sig pic about not wanting others to touch your photos, you are still posting them on a public forum. That means that no matter what you write, someone can take your photo and do something to it.

If the thought of that keeps you up at night, than stop showing your pictures here.
With that attitude, no one wants to look at them anyway.

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

Totaly off topic and go see the discussion which was leading up to my reply. Our posting history have nothing to do with my reply but you chose to take it somewhere else. Nice try.

Boo said:
canonuser123 said:

What does your reply have anything to do with what I said below?
It is not even on topic regards what I am replying to. Are you
always this controlling in how or when others chose to post? That
could be part of the problem.

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It was perfectly on topic - I was commenting specifically on our
relative posting histories with regard to offering help here - the
very point you'd raised - and I invited you to comment on the
photos I posted initially, you seem to prefer commenting on my (and
other people's) posting style than addressing photography issues.
You've made 17 posts in this one thread now without even discussing
anything photographic.

What did you think of the pictures, my choice of settings, post
processing techniques, framing, could you recommend a better lens
for sports work?

Aren't we here to discuss photography with the Canon 300D?

--
So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio & tutorials
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music portfolio
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - most recent images
Please do not amend and re-post my images unless specifically
requested or given permission to do so.

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=7499527 I dug it up. With a attitude like that why is anyone too surprised with her being rude? Same old boo hoo I am afraid.

Uncle B said:
I once got into a heated discussion with Boo when I first joined
this message board. If I had seen this thread before that
discussion, I would have just ignored her.

P.S. Even if you write something in your sig pic about not wanting
others to touch your photos, you are still posting them on a public
forum. That means that no matter what you write, someone can take
your photo and do something to it.
If the thought of that keeps you up at night, than stop showing
your pictures here.
With that attitude, no one wants to look at them anyway.

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=7497970 look at this one. boo says she is sick of people saying what she can or can not post. That is so funny after you see what she did here.

Uncle B said:
I once got into a heated discussion with Boo when I first joined
this message board. If I had seen this thread before that
discussion, I would have just ignored her.

P.S. Even if you write something in your sig pic about not wanting
others to touch your photos, you are still posting them on a public
forum. That means that no matter what you write, someone can take
your photo and do something to it.
If the thought of that keeps you up at night, than stop showing
your pictures here.
With that attitude, no one wants to look at them anyway.

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=7500378 What I wish I had done was do a search and it explains alot after I read it. I understand now.

Uncle B said:
I once got into a heated discussion with Boo when I first joined
this message board. If I had seen this thread before that
discussion, I would have just ignored her.

P.S. Even if you write something in your sig pic about not wanting
others to touch your photos, you are still posting them on a public
forum. That means that no matter what you write, someone can take
your photo and do something to it.
If the thought of that keeps you up at night, than stop showing
your pictures here.
With that attitude, no one wants to look at them anyway.

C.Uglanica201326 · May 20, 2004

She merely stated that she will "never be a nice guy", as she can never be considered a "guy" as she does not have the "necessary equipment". Simply quoting several responses of hers in that thread.

At any rate, you seem to prefer digressing to the topic of Boo and her not being nice, as opposed to replying about her pictures taken.

For Boo....I enjoyed the pictures you shot and displayed here. The shadow/highlights tool does show some potential benefit, but I would prefer to work on a full size pic and see printed results, rather than a websized image, personally. keep on clickin'.
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Chris

Volker Lauterbach · May 20, 2004

to vent about..................................

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

Do not sweat it. If you are baffled by what is going about here you might have some company. I read what I saw:'I don't want to speak for you, but evidently I can read'. What you intended to mean you would know only.

David Barker said:
You asked me if I wished to speak for you. I replied that I didn't
(as you quoted). That's about the straightest, least underhand shot
I could possibly imagine.

The link you provided leads to the words "See above (The bottom
line)". If that was discourteous I'm at a loss as to why.

I think you are trying to read far more into all this than really
exists.

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

I don't think you're being entirely fair in trying to pin the label
of disrespectfulness onto me. I've responded to you only with
courtesy, despite your rude reply earlier. Let's just leave it
there shall we?

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

Let's try to keep this forum above the level to which some people
seem to want to drag it down.

canonuser123 said:

David Barker said:

canonuser123 said:

Respect is not a one way street. It has to go both ways.

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Rich Claypole · May 20, 2004

canonuser123 said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=7500378 What I wish I had done was do a search and it explains alot after I read it. I understand now.

Uncle B said:

I once got into a heated discussion with Boo when I first joined
this message board. If I had seen this thread before that
discussion, I would have just ignored her.

P.S. Even if you write something in your sig pic about not wanting
others to touch your photos, you are still posting them on a public
forum. That means that no matter what you write, someone can take
your photo and do something to it.
If the thought of that keeps you up at night, than stop showing
your pictures here.
With that attitude, no one wants to look at them anyway.

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And what you have done with your last 3 posts isn't doing the same?

Why don't you drop the subject and get back on to the original reason for this topic and provide some decent info regarding the original post, assuming you are capable, if not why don't YOU stop stiring the poo and go find something else to waste your time on.

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Rich Claypole - (Wannabe Sports Photographer)

Dedicated Football / Soccer forum -> http://www.FootballPics.net/phpBB2

Main WEB site -> http://www.footballpics.net

canonuser123 · May 20, 2004

If the intention is that then her sarcasm and flippant reply amounts to the same thing. She was not being nice there.

C.Uglanica said:
She merely stated that she will "never be a nice guy", as she can
never be considered a "guy" as she does not have the "necessary
equipment". Simply quoting several responses of hers in that
thread.

At any rate, you seem to prefer digressing to the topic of Boo and
her not being nice, as opposed to replying about her pictures taken.

For Boo....I enjoyed the pictures you shot and displayed here. The
shadow/highlights tool does show some potential benefit, but I
would prefer to work on a full size pic and see printed results,
rather than a websized image, personally. keep on clickin'.
--
Chris

C.Uglanica201326 · May 20, 2004

I saw her stating in an unmistakeable way that she is a woman, and it was Uncle B's error in judgement for assuming that she is a guy, and not a gal/girl/chick/woman/of the female persuasion.

But, I guess that is just me.

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