Interesting.
This is the most important! Too many people outside the US have already forgotten, that's my impression at least.
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Movie "War Photographer" wins Peabody Award
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Volker Hett
Senior Member
Argh! At least he is prepared to give his live to protect your right to complain!So you're saying that you really believe in the sick logic that theWhat part of what I said suggests that I think "some are more equal
than others?" Some people are just looking to be offended I
guess...
more people complain, the better the job you're doing. Wondeful...
And to get back to a Photography point of view, read this month issue of the digitaljournalist
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/contents.html
Aehhmmm ... ...are you sure you understand the role of Christiane Amanpour in the context of this movie properly?I looked at the movie info, and after seeing Christiane Amanpour
listed high in the credits
Nonsense. Read again what was said in which context.Argh! At least he is prepared to give his live to protect your
right to complain!
A very important source of information about current US affairs for me personally is Paul Krugman, professor in economics (MIT, Princeton), author of various books, popular columnist in various publications (New York Times, Slate, Fortune etc.)
Some of his materials can be found here...
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/
http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/
Some of his materials can be found here...
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/
http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/
anyone who really has to see a photo to convince him that things written were realty is the real ditto-head and simply has to be weak minded.
Now that doesn't mean an image can't add to or bolster what is already believed but I don't need to see the any more images of war to convince me of the atrocities that result from it. Obviously lots of folks probably get their rocks off looking at the unnecessary gory stuff. I suppose some of you clowns enjoyed the recent beheadings too?
John
Now that doesn't mean an image can't add to or bolster what is already believed but I don't need to see the any more images of war to convince me of the atrocities that result from it. Obviously lots of folks probably get their rocks off looking at the unnecessary gory stuff. I suppose some of you clowns enjoyed the recent beheadings too?
John
The movie "War Photographer" win the Peabody Award. This is the
considered the most prestiguous TV aware besides the Emmy in the
US....
http://www.peabody.uga.edu/news/pressrelease.asp?ID=97
"War Photographer" is a truly remarable movie about the truly
remarkable photo journalist James Nachtwey. Nachtwey's work is
about the human and humanitarian catastrophies war and other
violent political conflicts are inheretly about. To use his own
words: ""I have been a witness, and these pictures are my
testimony. The events I have recorded should not be forgotten and
must not be repeated."
About the movie...
http://www.war-photographer.com/
About the photographer...
http://www.jamesnachtwey.com/
James Nachtwey uses Canon equipment. The movie is very interesting
for photographers because it shows one of today's best
photographers at work. Notworthy details are a) use of incident
light meters even with EOS 1 type of bodies , b) no tele lenses, c)
no fancy photobags etc.
Nitecops
Forum Enthusiast
You're right. I must be taking my frustration on JohnD1 who obviously realized he was full of it because he has all but dropped out of this conversation.
I think we actually agree. In my reading, JohnD1 tried to make a
point about the credibility of James Nachtwey's works by pointing
to the fact that he financially benefited from the shots. What I
said is that there are relationships, but they do not affect
credibility. That was also your point, I think.
Nitecops
Forum Enthusiast
Wait, I'm not sure where you're coming from. You say you don't like "left-leaning" CNN but you are defending the dolts who think you should work for free for it to mean anything? Doesn't exactly sound like the argument a real Reagan man would or should make. If I'm going possibly get killed, I'm going to want to get paid for it. Film and digital bodies don't grow on trees. These people simply need to grow up.
I think most of the reasonable outrage (not the general I hate capitalism fodder that we see here) at Haliburton is from its links to the VP and the fact that they were no-bid contracts which is generally unheard of. I can understand the concern. Flip the coin over. If Clinton were in office and you found out that a company that Al Gore was the CEO of stands to make hundreds of millions and perhaps a billion in net profits from a no-bid contract from a war that Clinton started, do you think consevatives would be concerned?
No matter what spectrum you come from, it's just a stupid, stupid move. Even if it was clean, it still has the appearence of impropriety. Wouldn't it have been smarter to simply put it out for bid or give it to alternate company so the opposition doesn't have ammunition?
BTW, if you dislike Amanpour, you should watch this as I feel she comes across as a complete ditz in it. For the most part, she is only about 5% of the movie.
I think most of the reasonable outrage (not the general I hate capitalism fodder that we see here) at Haliburton is from its links to the VP and the fact that they were no-bid contracts which is generally unheard of. I can understand the concern. Flip the coin over. If Clinton were in office and you found out that a company that Al Gore was the CEO of stands to make hundreds of millions and perhaps a billion in net profits from a no-bid contract from a war that Clinton started, do you think consevatives would be concerned?
No matter what spectrum you come from, it's just a stupid, stupid move. Even if it was clean, it still has the appearence of impropriety. Wouldn't it have been smarter to simply put it out for bid or give it to alternate company so the opposition doesn't have ammunition?
BTW, if you dislike Amanpour, you should watch this as I feel she comes across as a complete ditz in it. For the most part, she is only about 5% of the movie.
I see a lot of effort to put Nachtwey on a pedestal because of his
passion, his risk to life and limb, and the quality of the work.
People judge other people, and they believe that passion is
sometimes enough to motivate. When people find out that Nachtwey
was getting rich, their beliefs change. I don't care how staunchly
you defend his work and the risks. He was paid, and paid well.
He's a great photographer. He risked his life every day for 20
years. Fine. He still got paid, and there's a huge chunk people
that are going to hate him for that. If he really had that kind of
passion, why did he take the money?
The passion, the danger, in fact, the entire story are somewhat
lessened by the money.
Yet, if some person were to go over and help re-build a war torn
country and make money, they're suddenly as popular as tax
collectors and lawyers.
Frankly, Nachtwey deserves the attention, but I tell you, there are
enough people that feel the money he made was enough.
I looked at the movie info, and after seeing Christiane Amanpour
listed high in the credits, I think I'll pass. Amanpour leans just
a tad too far left for me. I don't put a lot of faith in what she
has to say. And, for that matter, CNN either.
Zidar162589
Senior Member
Nachtwey makes his money on the misery of others? I suppose you find fault with physicians and humanitarian aid workers for the same reason?
Without journalists like Nachtwey the evil would proceed unknown to the masses of people who pressure the politicians to make positive moves. The war in the Balkans would still be raging if it weren't for CNN and other media organizations.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
Without journalists like Nachtwey the evil would proceed unknown to the masses of people who pressure the politicians to make positive moves. The war in the Balkans would still be raging if it weren't for CNN and other media organizations.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
- Apocalypse Now
Zidar162589
Senior Member
There are probably 10,000 wedding photographers in the US alone who make more money than Nachtwey. The dangerous photo assignments don't pay well at all, and Nachtwey doesn't do the presitigious annual report type photography that some journalists do to make real money. So he makes about the same amount of money as a high school teacher. Is that getting rich?
I would disagree that Christianne Ammanpour is a left-winger, and I'm pretty far to the right myself. She married a prominent Democrat so maybe her politics have changed. Don't forget she's an Iranian exile. That puts her somewhat to the right of a Cuban exile on the left-right chart.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
I would disagree that Christianne Ammanpour is a left-winger, and I'm pretty far to the right myself. She married a prominent Democrat so maybe her politics have changed. Don't forget she's an Iranian exile. That puts her somewhat to the right of a Cuban exile on the left-right chart.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
- Apocalypse Now
Zidar162589
Senior Member
First of all, the war artist is not gone. The American military still has war artists, and I spent some time with a controversial British war artist in Bosnia ten years ago. Combat art is a real art form.
Photojournalists will cover wars till the end of time. Like another poster pointed out, soldiers have always carried cameras. My father's pictures of WW2 are really interesting to look at. He was a doctor whose unit went into Normandy on the first day and he took pictures when he wasn't working or sleeping. A lot of the pictures have to do with medical or logistical issues, and I think doctors who have served in subsequent wars would find them interesting...but for the general public, you can't beat a real photographer.
The pictures taken by the soldiers in Iraq are really interesting to me. My newspaper has run three which were emailed home by soldiers serving over there. They are not always great photos, but they mean a lot to the reader because they are taken by somebody they know. Quality-wise they are terrific. I digitized one local Vietnam vet's pictures of the war and the improvement in technology has made a big difference. The vet in question had a Nikon F in the war, so he was using the top technology of the day.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
Photojournalists will cover wars till the end of time. Like another poster pointed out, soldiers have always carried cameras. My father's pictures of WW2 are really interesting to look at. He was a doctor whose unit went into Normandy on the first day and he took pictures when he wasn't working or sleeping. A lot of the pictures have to do with medical or logistical issues, and I think doctors who have served in subsequent wars would find them interesting...but for the general public, you can't beat a real photographer.
The pictures taken by the soldiers in Iraq are really interesting to me. My newspaper has run three which were emailed home by soldiers serving over there. They are not always great photos, but they mean a lot to the reader because they are taken by somebody they know. Quality-wise they are terrific. I digitized one local Vietnam vet's pictures of the war and the improvement in technology has made a big difference. The vet in question had a Nikon F in the war, so he was using the top technology of the day.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
- Apocalypse Now
And his pictures are tremendous.
Very many speak speak to the humanity ever to be found, rather than bitterness with fault.
A responsible physician indeed.
Where was the mind of that World Press Awards committee this year, compared to these?
Regards,
Narrbl
Very many speak speak to the humanity ever to be found, rather than bitterness with fault.
A responsible physician indeed.
Where was the mind of that World Press Awards committee this year, compared to these?
Regards,
Narrbl
Nachtwey makes his money on the misery of others? I suppose you
find fault with physicians and humanitarian aid workers for the
same reason?
Without journalists like Nachtwey the evil would proceed unknown to
the masses of people who pressure the politicians to make positive
moves. The war in the Balkans would still be raging if it weren't
for CNN and other media organizations.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
- Apocalypse Now
sweetchops
Forum Enthusiast
hmmmmmmm you don't know much do you? Ever travelled outside of your country? What do you know about South Africa - what you see on the news? Catch a wake up dude!armed only with a camera, but I'm sure it's not money or fame.I don't know what motivates someone like Nachtwey to go to places
Nachtwey has been shooting since 1976 in El Salvador, Somalia,
Rwanda, South Africa, Bosnia, the Philipines and most places 99
percent of us fear to tread without backup from a helicopter
gunship and a company of Marines. >
You're quite right about war artists.
As for your fathers photos.....are they digitised?
Have you ever thought of sharing them with a museum? I don't know about Canada (I assume he was serving with a commonwealth regiment) but if they don't have a national archive I'm sure the Imperial War Museum in London would always be interested in quality photos.
As for your fathers photos.....are they digitised?
Have you ever thought of sharing them with a museum? I don't know about Canada (I assume he was serving with a commonwealth regiment) but if they don't have a national archive I'm sure the Imperial War Museum in London would always be interested in quality photos.
Zidar162589
Senior Member
I have my dad's negatives and Kodachrome slides but have not digitized them yet. He was in the US Army, but I might offer them to a British museum, as many pictures were shot in Britain or of British troops in North Africa.
There was a great article in Leica Photography magazine about 25 years ago by a German photographer who had been a photographer in the Wehrmacht in the last days of WW2. He said his best pictures were all shot the last morning, just before he was captured by a unit of Scots. His Leica got lost in the confusion and he always wondered whether whoever found it got the film developed. I'm sure it is a story that was repeated many times. One American merchant sailor told me of being torpedoed near the Suez Canal in 1941. He had to decided whether to risk going down to his cabin for his Graflex camera. He was at sea for 10 days before being rescued and wished that he had taken the chance.
By the way, Kipling's book The Light That Failed is about a British war artist in the 19th century. A lot of what the artist goes thru is similar to being a war photographer today. Also, anybody interested in war photography must read Scoop by Evelyn Waugh.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
There was a great article in Leica Photography magazine about 25 years ago by a German photographer who had been a photographer in the Wehrmacht in the last days of WW2. He said his best pictures were all shot the last morning, just before he was captured by a unit of Scots. His Leica got lost in the confusion and he always wondered whether whoever found it got the film developed. I'm sure it is a story that was repeated many times. One American merchant sailor told me of being torpedoed near the Suez Canal in 1941. He had to decided whether to risk going down to his cabin for his Graflex camera. He was at sea for 10 days before being rescued and wished that he had taken the chance.
By the way, Kipling's book The Light That Failed is about a British war artist in the 19th century. A lot of what the artist goes thru is similar to being a war photographer today. Also, anybody interested in war photography must read Scoop by Evelyn Waugh.
James Mason
Alaska
--
'He's out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond
the pale of any acceptable human conduct.'
- Apocalypse Now
Nitecops
Forum Enthusiast
Do you think war photographers go to areas where there isn't war? Did you go running around El Salvador during a civil war? What, do you think I'm talking about South Africa today or some freaking resort area? Would you feel safe running around Iraq as a foreigner? Why don't you catch a wake up and consider this post in the context of this discussion. I'm sure you know a lot too considering how you completely miss the context here.
hmmmmmmm you don't know much do you? Ever travelled outside of your country? What do you know about South Africa - what you see on the news? Catch a wake up dude!armed only with a camera, but I'm sure it's not money or fame.I don't know what motivates someone like Nachtwey to go to places
Nachtwey has been shooting since 1976 in El Salvador, Somalia,
Rwanda, South Africa, Bosnia, the Philipines and most places 99
percent of us fear to tread without backup from a helicopter
gunship and a company of Marines. >
"hmmmmmmm you don't know much do you? Ever travelled outside of your
Have you actually seen the documentry ???
Matter of fact, SA is still a helluva dangerous country.
And dont ask me if I have ever been to SA, I was born here & been living here for the last 31yrs...
Hmm, sorry to say but you are getting agro over nothing. The SA part is about ten or more years ago & it was a war zone wether you like it or not. Another journalist was shot right next to James & died !! Maybe your cozy/sheltered suburb was not affected but a lot of other peoples lives were in turmoil, but a lot of us do not acknowledge this.country? What do you know about South Africa - what you see on the
news? Catch a wake up dude!"
Have you actually seen the documentry ???
Matter of fact, SA is still a helluva dangerous country.
And dont ask me if I have ever been to SA, I was born here & been living here for the last 31yrs...
hmmmmmmm you don't know much do you? Ever travelled outside of yourarmed only with a camera, but I'm sure it's not money or fame.I don't know what motivates someone like Nachtwey to go to places
Nachtwey has been shooting since 1976 in El Salvador, Somalia,
Rwanda, South Africa, Bosnia, the Philipines and most places 99
percent of us fear to tread without backup from a helicopter
gunship and a company of Marines. >
country? What do you know about South Africa - what you see on the
news? Catch a wake up dude!
Nitecops
Forum Enthusiast
You seriously have not met any soldiers who think the war was a sham? I'm pretty impressed because I thought at least some soldiers had serious doubts about the credibility of the war.I don't pretend to speak for all soldiers but we're the ones with the
most to lose and I have yet to meet a soldier who has been there that
didn't feel the war was/is necessary.
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