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if you expose without blowing highlights and max to the right you use the best of your chip.. post process afterwards to get contrast.. that's the recommended way to shoot using the histogram... not underexpose like the d70 and get noise in shadows..
msport said:
on the Canon Digital Rebel works best when all 7 focus sensors are
active...which can hurt focus or cause delays...so many turn it off.

The sky detail thing may not show up very well on a histogram. You
can avoid blowing stuff out but still have it be too bright.

AX
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You can make the D70 look more like the Canon Digital Rebel by adjusting the in-camera settings. Try contrast -2, Sharpening -2 or off, white balance -1 (warmer, adjust to liking) for starters. You could get it to match even closer if you played with these and some other settings. Some folks like that smooth sort of appearance.

AX
 
As it is now, the faster speed of the D70 isn't enough to warrant a change I can miss a shot but that ain't a disaster, it is just an annoyance. Let us keep a proportion on things.

However, I would still go for higher inital fps than a substained RAW rate of 1 fps. My shooting would benefit more from a higher fps the first two seconds (or perhaps even just the first second) than it would benefit from a substained rate of 1 fps. Naturally, I wouldn't mind it, but it isn't enough to warrant a change of camera system. If it had been a EOS body, I would have changed:-)

--jalle
msport said:
If you fill the buffer..the Canon makes you wait..no more shots.
This can be a disaster if you shoot raw. Because after a few
shots, there is about a 7-8 second delay until you can take one
more shot. D70 has a continuous raw mode after the buffer is full
of about 1 per second. Pause a second or two and the buffer can
take a few shots. During the time the Canon is locked up the D70
can fill it's buffer again. Maybe more than this. Basically you
always seem to be good to go.

AX
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The initial line should read...

Disaster? I can miss a shot but that ain't a disaster, it is just an
annoyance. Let us keep a proportion on things.
 
Usually posts on this subject are not very useful, but yours is great.

One correction: #8. You can zoom out by more than 50 % ... just Nikon made sure it is not intuitive at all ... took me a month to figure that out !

First you push the zoom button (so far so good, but that's were simplicity and intuitive control stop).

Then you push and hold down another button: second buttom from the top (it says "iso" on top of this button). Rotate the big dial while holding the button down.

Not very useful post to the rebel users - sorry for posting this on this forum - but still gives an idea to propective buyers hesitating between rebel and d70 about what to expect with the latter in terms of control.

Actually I don't mind all these controls: it just takes a little time to learn them. But I'm still not happy with the colors. I love the D-Rebel's (come to visit this forum often - lots of great pictures !). Your point of view as a rebel user is very interesting to me (again - my apologies for posting this here, but I wanted to take the opportunity to write to a person who has used both cameras): what did you do typically in post processing to get colors to your liking ?

Thanks again
Thierry
 
...while you are waiting around for the camera to be able to take another photograph.

AX
 
This depends upon what you are shooting. If it's a mountain...you've got time. If it's an important portion of a sporting event, it can mean not gettting any shots of it at all. Action/sports can be hard to predict so you have to be ready at all times...to avoid being "annoyed".

AX
 
msport said:
...while you are waiting around for the camera to be able to take
another photograph.
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I usually much prefer to take single shots at the "critical" moment rather than rely on burst - the frame rate is not high enough to have a good chance of capturing just the right moment - and for that the Rebel is fast enough. More speed would be welcome, but it's not critical - neither camera is like the 1D MKII anyway, either in frame rate or focus speed.
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Misha
 
msport said:
...while you are waiting around for the camera to be able to take
another photograph.

AX
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Well, I like to time my shots and not depend on the camera. Plus, the D70 is more limited than the DRebel when choosing the focus point and the DRebel has also better auto focus accuracy compared to the D70, at least from my personal experience with both cameras.
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ZoomBoy

'All pixels aren't created equal!'
 
Thank you for posting in here and for your valuable input. I wish we would have more people interested in advancing their photo skills than just trashing cameras - which are only tools, in the end.
TOF guy said:
Usually posts on this subject are not very useful, but yours is great.

One correction: #8. You can zoom out by more than 50 % ... just
Nikon made sure it is not intuitive at all ... took me a month to
figure that out !

First you push the zoom button (so far so good, but that's were
simplicity and intuitive control stop).

Then you push and hold down another button: second buttom from the
top (it says "iso" on top of this button). Rotate the big dial
while holding the button down.
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I know a D70 owner that will be very happy this afternoon when I'll show him your post. Thanks for the tip.
TOF guy said:
Not very useful post to the rebel users - sorry for posting this
on this forum - but still gives an idea to propective buyers
hesitating between rebel and d70 about what to expect with the
latter in terms of control.

Actually I don't mind all these controls: it just takes a little
time to learn them. But I'm still not happy with the colors. I
love the D-Rebel's (come to visit this forum often - lots of great
pictures !). Your point of view as a rebel user is very interesting
to me (again - my apologies for posting this here, but I wanted to
take the opportunity to write to a person who has used both
cameras): what did you do typically in post processing to get
colors to your liking ?
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Liking the colors is somewhat subjective. I try to think ahead of taking the shot what settings to use so to get an image as close to the real thing as possible. I take most of my shots in manual mode (a reminescence from my film SLR days). Sometimes I will use the camera to metter and then use that as a guidance for my manual settings. I don't like to let the camera decide for me.

Also, I use as little post-processing as possible in PS. If the hystogram is ok, usually the shot doesn't need post-processing (maybe except a little sharpening). I find the color output of the DRebel phenomenal and very accurate. From my point of view, I like it.

If you have a D70, you can use your computer to fine tune the output of your camera to match the colors you like. The only draw-back with the D70 is that you can only store 1 profile in the camera so you'll have to decide before-hand what type of pictures you'll be taken.

I hope this info helps you. Thanks for posting here and please come back.
Both the D70 and the DRebel are great cameras.
Let's share so everybody could benefit.

ZoomBoy

'All pixels aren't created equal!'
 
If you want REAL buffering capacity, get a 10D, which as a 9 frame RAW buffer in addition to being able to shoot at about 1 frame per 1-2 seonds when the buffer is full. Or you can shoot two consecutive 4 frame bursts (sometimes two 5 frame bursts, or a 4 and 6, or 6 and 4, or 3 and 7, etc.) with no problems. Because in action, you never know what's going to happen!

For true action photography with RAW, neither the D70 nor the 300D are that great. For that, you definitely want a 10D. But then again, the 10D is an overall better camera than both the D70 and 300D. The 10D also has the solidity that balances better with larger lenses.
msport said:
If you fill the buffer..the Canon makes you wait..no more shots.
This can be a disaster if you shoot raw. Because after a few
shots, there is about a 7-8 second delay until you can take one
more shot. D70 has a continuous raw mode after the buffer is full
of about 1 per second. Pause a second or two and the buffer can
take a few shots. During the time the Canon is locked up the D70
can fill it's buffer again. Maybe more than this. Basically you
always seem to be good to go.

AX
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I prefer to save the strong emotions to the situations when they are needed.

We all know that you think that the D70 outperforms the 300D in almost every aspect. But after a whole day of soccer shooting (11 hours), where I didn't miss a single chance due to the speed limitations of my 300D, I came to the conclusion that, even if I think that the D70 have some very strong advantages over the 300D, they are not enough for me to change. The camera doesn't constrain me, so I better off keeping my "investment" in lenses and accessoaries.

I will wait for the next budget dSLR Canon body.

--jalle
msport said:
This depends upon what you are shooting. If it's a
mountain...you've got time. If it's an important portion of a
sporting event, it can mean not gettting any shots of it at all.
Action/sports can be hard to predict so you have to be ready at all
times...to avoid being "annoyed".

AX
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James McPeak said:
For true action photography with RAW, neither the D70 nor the 300D
are that great. For that, you definitely want a 10D. But then
again, the 10D is an overall better camera than both the D70 and
300D. The 10D also has the solidity that balances better with
larger lenses.
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Actually, you need the 1D (better yet MKII) if you are REALLY into action photography :-)
--
Misha
 
Jarl Sandberg said:
Jarl Sandberg said:
8. I know DRebel play and zoom are not state of the art, but wait
to see the D70. Even if the LCD has a higher resolution, there is
no zoom (only like 50%) to check for sharpness or artifacts. A
feature I really miss.
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Could this be a trade-off to get faster review times?
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You can zoom in, way past 50% for that matter, on the D70. Read the user manual. It's a very nice feature.
 
Both seem to autofocus just fine as far as I have found in a few hundred shots apiece same event. Canon needs tricks and knowledge to find some modes though..such as continuous focussing being found in only one mode...whoich requires you to use ISO 400 even at 12 noon on a Sunny day.

AX
 
...I don't really use that feature very much though. I think that it's being stated that the Canon can zoom in more than the Nikon.

AX
 
msport said:
msport said:
msport said:
i agree with you and that's why i'm leaning towards the d70. the rebel's lack of metering choice unless you trick it with exposure lock, is a minus compared to d70 just choose the method. the minute i picked up the d70 i felt the difference.
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A higher percentage of the time you are able to get sky detail with
the Nikon. Often a light blue sky blows out to white with little
detail on the Canon Digital Rebel. You can deal with this of
course. The Nikon metering and defaults tend to preserve detail
like that. The Canon was set to center focus point only which
hurts it's ability to meter. When you are shooting sports, you
cannot waste time getting the 7 focus points to work the way you
desire.

AX
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when you look at the whole viewfinder, 1% is not far from 5%. Don't nitpick please.

anyway ,i read that only professional shooters use spot metering extensively. it is more difficult to use than partial metering. since the rebel is an entry level camera, it's partial metering is excellent for most situations.
River Side said:
btw Rebel's evaluative metering is excellent and 9% partial is good
for isolating parts of scene.. FWIW D70's 'spot' was measured at a
fat 5% not 1%.
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people are loading in curves into the d70 if they don't like the underexposure. loading the all-in-one or white wedding curve from fotogenetic site will give more of the canon look we love !.

... not underexpose like the d70 and get noise in shadows..
 
you made the right choice. if you like the rebel pics then you saved alot of money. with custom curves, metering choice ... etc.. the nikon will probably get better pics than the rebel in difficult situations, but if you photoshop the rebel or use bracketing... you should get great pics most of the time.
claus marnix said:
The 300-D is not build for speed.

If i need thad speed ,,nope I do not need it.
If I needed the speed I buyed the D-70
The two camera's where in the store.
I liked the D-70,But I buyed the 300-D I loved the 300-D pictures
more.
Wat can I say.

Claus.m
msport said:
If you fill the buffer..the Canon makes you wait..no more shots.
This can be a disaster if you shoot raw. Because after a few
shots, there is about a 7-8 second delay until you can take one
more shot. D70 has a continuous raw mode after the buffer is full
of about 1 per second. Pause a second or two and the buffer can
take a few shots. During the time the Canon is locked up the D70
can fill it's buffer again. Maybe more than this. Basically you
always seem to be good to go.

AX
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