post your 75-300mm IS pics

My conclusion after seeing all of these pictures is that there is nothing wrong with my 75-300 (compared to others), but it is not near sharp enough at 300 for me... so I'm getting the 70-200L. The 200mm on the L will be much better quality than 200 on the 75-300 .. and in the future i'll either get a 1.4x TC and have to shoot the 200-280 end in lots of light or I'll have to eventually get a 2.8f version of the L.
So the usable range seems to be 70-135... That means keep my
28-135IS and blow the bank on a Sigma 50-500.....
Depends on your definition of "usable". If you think those two
bird pictures (at F10!!) are usable then you will be OK. If you
are buying the 75-300 for the 300mm, get something else. That is
my advice, for what it's worth. Bigma is very attractive for the
price, and highly recommended in this forum.
Yeah it is my real close choice right now... but at 4 pounds.... Be
like carrying a big gulp filled with cement....
 
My conclusion after seeing all of these pictures is that there is
nothing wrong with my 75-300 (compared to others), but it is not
near sharp enough at 300 for me... so I'm getting the 70-200L. The
200mm on the L will be much better quality than 200 on the 75-300
.. and in the future i'll either get a 1.4x TC and have to shoot
the 200-280 end in lots of light or I'll have to eventually get a
2.8f version of the L.
Good choice, I'm sure. Also look at the 300mm F4IS for $1000. Anytime I need a long zoom, I end up going out to 300mm anyway. Might as well have the sharpness of a prime, plus you can add a TC later to get 420 with IS.
--
Eric.

'Soylent Green is PEOPLE!'
 
Some interesting thoughts have been expressed in this thread. I've done a little experimenting to compare some of the ideas.

Some have talked about how this lens is crisper at 75 to 135 than at full zoom - 300. I decided to test it to see what the difference was. Here are some images. I must preface this by saying that it is a rainy gray day here today so these are not the best images possible. Nevertheless, I think the comparisons are worth seeing. In the following examples you will see 3 shots taken at different ISO settings from each of 3 different distances. My idea in doing this was that, since I shoot a lot of birds, I want the central object of the shot to be a similar size. The final 3 shots were to show the size comparison of the central object at different distances.









So it appears that, if possible, one should get as close as possible with this lens and then use the shorter focal lengths. However, if the target is a yellow warbler, 50' up in a tree, that is not an option. To my eye, any of the shots taken from 30' at 300mm are far superior to the one taken at 30' using 75mm. Of course, that's why I have a 300 mm in the first place.

While I have no doubt that there are lenses that are clearer at 300mm, there are also considerations of cost, size, weight and ability to hand hold. Finally, there is the IS. Personally, I have found it quite valuable. I am able to take shots that would be impossible without it. Until, I have a lot more money to throw at lenses, I will continue to use my 75-300 and enjoy the results.

--
Steve
Fine Photography at
http://www.sparkmeister.com
 
So it appears that, if possible, one should get as close as
possible with this lens and then use the shorter focal lengths.
That is true with my lens also. I find it works very nicely at 75mm.
To my eye, any of the shots taken from 30' at
300mm are far superior to the one taken at 30' using 75mm.
It could be that this lens gets soft at further distances, and not just at the upper focal lengths? I just haven't noticed that becuase I typically use 300mm at long distances, and 75mm at short ones.

Interesting points, and thanks for the analysis with photos!

--
Eric.

'Soylent Green is PEOPLE!'
 
Hope you do not mind me offering my opinion.

I have the 10D and my friend has the 300D. On one of my wildflower scouting trips my friend let me take along the 300D so that I could test it and use the wide angle.

The 300D is probably okay for someone who shoots mainly in one or two auto modes. When I went to manual settings, I felt more constrained than with my 10D. My 10D feels and works more like a true SLR.

The kit lens is actually better than I thought it would be

If you come from using a true film SLR and trained in using manual settings using something like the zone system then the 10D is a better choice.

If you shoot mainly in full auto or programmed mode then the 300D is sufficient.

RichO
http://www.pbase.com/richo/
'Life is a dance, Love is the music.'
 
Hey there Caterpillar!

I recently stumbled upon a few of your posts and I find them very
informative. I appreciate that you take the time out to share your
knowledge.
Always ready to share my little knowhow as others have helped me as well in these fori. :-)
A) What has been your general experience with 300d and taking
portraits?
Very good. Clean images, even at higher ISOs. The trick is to always expose correctly even at higher ISOs so you get less noise to clean (usually in the shadows). Color is all right most of the time. Use CWB and you are more than half way there. I use jpg fine most of the time but in critical situations I go RAW. No, not to correct mistakes but to get the best out of an image. RAW tends to give me more details, contrast, and sharpness. I use it about 5% of the time. And the reason why I don't go higher on RAW usage is...
B) Have the limitations of the 300d held you back in your portrait
experience?
4-frame buffer. Try to use RAW on that and you wait 24-30 seconds for the 4 frame to flush to CF. Sure you can shoot another RAW in 4-6 sec, but you want some sequence sometimes when your subject is doing everything right.
C) I don't really understand the 4 buffer system of the 300d. Is it
very slow? I don't need to take a bunch of incredibly fast shots
(as per d70), but it would be nice to have some more information on
300d burst.
It is very slow to flush to CF. Believe it or not, my D60 flushes to CF faster. I can get 8 CF too, and I am clear for 2 more in about 4-6 seconds or so after the 8. And this is RAW!

In fairness, some portrait shots don't need to be done continuously. You take them one at a time in a leisurely manner. Other than this limitations I have worked around FEC, AI-Servo, no spot metering, etc of the 300D. It is the 4-frame buffer limit of the camera that I cannot work around.

But other than that, it is a good camera. It's default selections (except in Auto) seems to be good for most situations.

If you will do portraits mostly, I suggest to concentrate on getting a good lens. My 50mm f1.8 mkII is my favorite for sharpness. I plan to get a Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 xr Di to get as close to "L-like" without spending too much. This lens is about 95% of what the famous 24-70 f2.8L is. I will skip the 85mm f1.8 even if it is good. The 28-75 will do it's chore. Good also for weddings aside for portraiture. Maybe a 135 f2.0L is in the future, but that is less for portraits (except in street photography where you need more distance) for low light sports.
Thanks Caterpillar!
You're welcome, Chui!
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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
Ok, thanks for the pics!

Something weird is up with it.
Sorry, no time to crop it, but I guess you can see the problem.

On another note, many have said that the 75-300 IS is soft from 200-300mm. Yes, it tends to be soft at those ends. But if the copy is good (like mine) it is not that serious, especially in good light. Stop it down to f7.1-8.0 and it basically overcomes a lot of its shortcomings. My attitude about softness on this range is simple -- if you know it's going to be soft past this range and you can't stop down further, then don't use it. Treat it like a 75-200 IS lens (but not the fast f2.8). If the subject is about 100 ft away or less, you won't miss that 100mm difference anyway. Nothing a little cropping can't fix. And yes, it is sharper and has better contrast at 75-180mm, so I can understand the issues raised against it. I just consider the 200mm-300mm a bonus. And when the chips are down, it is there. And I can usually squeeze the contrast back a bit with good curves and PS technique.

I am reviewing my lens lineup for the past 2 weeks. I am evaluating whether to sell my 75-300 IS and just get a 70-200 IS with TC. But when I see my pictures with it, I just had to do an about face. And when I see how big and heavy the 70-200 IS is I can't see myself carrying this lens everyday like my 75-300 IS.

The 70-200 IS will probably become my special projects lens. I have already done a paretto analysis and did tables on possible uses of my lenses vs my favorite shooting conditions and the 75-300 IS does have a place. And when I think about it, this lens has been used 85-90% of the time since I do a lot of sports. I also found that my 28-105mm f3.5-4.5 mkI is one of the least used but when it is used it generates me income (weddings).

I am sorry you have a bad copy of the 75-300 IS. If you can have it replaced maybe you will see it as I do. Otherwise, a 70-200 f4L is a good choice too. Just test it for backfocusing with the 300d/10d.

Good luck with whatever you decide!

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
So it appears that, if possible, one should get as close as
possible with this lens and then use the shorter focal lengths.
However, if the target is a yellow warbler, 50' up in a tree, that
is not an option. To my eye, any of the shots taken from 30' at
300mm are far superior to the one taken at 30' using 75mm. Of
course, that's why I have a 300 mm in the first place.
There is some truth to this. I have found that even above 200mm if the subjects (I shoot soccer, track & field) are about 30-100 ft whereabouts, they tend to be sharp. And even if I stop down a bit at f6.3 or f7.0, it does help. But if you focus near infinity, then image quality goes down.

Daniel chui asked about the 300d doing portraits. And I found out in the process of taking sports shots with the 75-300 IS, that it can take very striking pictures with it as well.
While I have no doubt that there are lenses that are clearer at
300mm, there are also considerations of cost, size, weight and
ability to hand hold. Finally, there is the IS. Personally, I
have found it quite valuable. I am able to take shots that would
be impossible without it. Until, I have a lot more money to throw
at lenses, I will continue to use my 75-300 and enjoy the results.
Very true. Before, I considered the 100-400L as something to aim for. But when I see how portable the 75-300 IS is and for its price, I have scratched the former from my list. Not knocking those who like the 100-400L, but for my own use, the size and weight is something I would not trade at this time (unless sports shooting in our country suddenly becomes profitable).

So, in effect, I can live with the modest quality of the 75-300 IS if I operate and use it within its sweet spot. I am sure an L lens will have less issues, but then you look at the price, the size and the weight and you have a clear idea of what you are trading the 100-400L over the 75-300 IS.

To close, here are a couple of 75-300 IS portrait shots. This one is taken at about 15ft away, f6.3 or 7.1, 1/80 or 1/125, ISO 400, about 120mm if I recall correctly.



And another, closer shot (f7.1, 1/160, ISO 100) at around 10ft 70mm.



When I see images like this, I find it hard to get rid of the 75-300 IS. And this is just a small sample of what it can do.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
So it appears that, if possible, one should get as close as
possible with this lens and then use the shorter focal lengths.
That is true with my lens also. I find it works very nicely at 75mm.
To my eye, any of the shots taken from 30' at
300mm are far superior to the one taken at 30' using 75mm.
It could be that this lens gets soft at further distances, and not
just at the upper focal lengths? I just haven't noticed that
becuase I typically use 300mm at long distances, and 75mm at short
ones.

Interesting points, and thanks for the analysis with photos!

--
Eric.

'Soylent Green is PEOPLE!'
--
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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
I also think that lighting and size/distance to subject has a lot to do with this. My first two posts were taken under lower light conditions or in shade and the subjects distant and tiny. I went back and looked at a couple that were taken in much brighter sun light with larger or closer subjects and they look better. Also, I shoot everything using the Digital Rebel's parameter 2 which I believe means no in camera sharpening.

ISO 100 1/500 F-8 300mm Subject at approx 120'



ISO 100 1/400 F-7.1 300mm Subject at approx 20'



--
Steve
Fine Photography at
http://www.sparkmeister.com
 
here is my try with a 75-300 non IS USM I on 300D



Jpeg fine
at 300 mm
f/8
AWB
little bit USM and saturation
 
Good points. I am going to try out the 70-200L and see how I like it. From what i've seen of the 100% crops with the L glass, it is quite a bit sharper. Spending $1k on a dig cam, i certainly want to be able to use it at it's fullest, so I might as well spend the $ on the L glass. the 70-200L is only $150 more than the 75-300 IS, and if it can give me pictures that are as sharp as i am wanting, I have no problem paying the extra $. I'm going to miss the IS as that was VERY nice to have, but it just didn't do me any good. IS on a lens that isn't sharp is pointless to me. I will admit that at 135mm and less I liked the lens, but i was always taking pics with it at 300mm and finding myself extremely disappointed.

The 70-200 F4L is on it's way and I am looking at a Tamron 1.4x TC. In the future I'll replace my kit lens with a 38-135 IS and maybe replace the 70-200L with a 100-400L IS ... but that's a ways away, haha.

Thanks for all the comments!
Some interesting thoughts have been expressed in this thread. I've
done a little experimenting to compare some of the ideas.

Some have talked about how this lens is crisper at 75 to 135 than
at full zoom - 300. I decided to test it to see what the
difference was. Here are some images. I must preface this by
saying that it is a rainy gray day here today so these are not the
best images possible. Nevertheless, I think the comparisons are
worth seeing. In the following examples you will see 3 shots taken
at different ISO settings from each of 3 different distances. My
idea in doing this was that, since I shoot a lot of birds, I want
the central object of the shot to be a similar size. The final 3
shots were to show the size comparison of the central object at
different distances.









So it appears that, if possible, one should get as close as
possible with this lens and then use the shorter focal lengths.
However, if the target is a yellow warbler, 50' up in a tree, that
is not an option. To my eye, any of the shots taken from 30' at
300mm are far superior to the one taken at 30' using 75mm. Of
course, that's why I have a 300 mm in the first place.

While I have no doubt that there are lenses that are clearer at
300mm, there are also considerations of cost, size, weight and
ability to hand hold. Finally, there is the IS. Personally, I
have found it quite valuable. I am able to take shots that would
be impossible without it. Until, I have a lot more money to throw
at lenses, I will continue to use my 75-300 and enjoy the results.

--
Steve
Fine Photography at
http://www.sparkmeister.com
 
I wanted to buy the DO lens and I waited for a while. When I came to know that the lens would cost $1200+ I changed my mind and ordered the old 75-300mm IS which is below $400 after $20 mail-in-rebate.

I saw some DO sample images in this forum. Looks like the image quality is not better compared to the old IS lens. I am happy with the lens I bought. Love it.

Some sample photos here (in original size)
http://www.pbase.com/mpunathil/inbox

-Manu
I just purchased that lens because I could not justify the price
for the
70-300DO....I had the same problem of out of focus, blurry, etc.
However, I had Canon UV filter....once I took that off, the pictures
were clear and sharp...so, in case you have a filter in front of
the lens,
try to take it off and then reshoot....let me know, Reha
I'd like to see some 100% crops of various shots at 300mm from this
lens. I have one and i am a few days away from purchasing a
70-200L because mine is very soft on the 200-300mm end.

Here is a pic of it at 300mm:

 
70-200 F4 may be sharper than 75-300 IS.

I have the 75-300 IS lens and 75-200 range in this lens is not that bad either. I find it sharp enough for portraits or people photography.

http://www.pbase.com/mpunathil/inbox
Good points. I am going to try out the 70-200L and see how I like
it. From what i've seen of the 100% crops with the L glass, it is
quite a bit sharper. Spending $1k on a dig cam, i certainly want
to be able to use it at it's fullest, so I might as well spend the
$ on the L glass. the 70-200L is only $150 more than the 75-300
IS, and if it can give me pictures that are as sharp as i am
wanting, I have no problem paying the extra $. I'm going to miss
the IS as that was VERY nice to have, but it just didn't do me any
good. IS on a lens that isn't sharp is pointless to me. I will
admit that at 135mm and less I liked the lens, but i was always
taking pics with it at 300mm and finding myself extremely
disappointed.

The 70-200 F4L is on it's way and I am looking at a Tamron 1.4x TC.
In the future I'll replace my kit lens with a 38-135 IS and maybe
replace the 70-200L with a 100-400L IS ... but that's a ways away,
haha.

Thanks for all the comments!
 
Thank you very much for your feedback, Rich! It is really interesting to hear how your opinion contrasts with Caterpillar's. I've still got a lot of thinking to do, but I am probably leaning towards the 300d because of a limited budget.
  • Chui
Hope you do not mind me offering my opinion.

I have the 10D and my friend has the 300D. On one of my wildflower
scouting trips my friend let me take along the 300D so that I could
test it and use the wide angle.

The 300D is probably okay for someone who shoots mainly in one or
two auto modes. When I went to manual settings, I felt more
constrained than with my 10D. My 10D feels and works more like a
true SLR.

The kit lens is actually better than I thought it would be

If you come from using a true film SLR and trained in using manual
settings using something like the zone system then the 10D is a
better choice.

If you shoot mainly in full auto or programmed mode then the 300D
is sufficient.

RichO
http://www.pbase.com/richo/
'Life is a dance, Love is the music.'
--
http://www.chewyphoto.com
 
Thanks Caterpillar!

I really appreciate your feedback on the subject. May I ask how fast you can shoot in JPEG mode with the 4 frame buffer?

Also, I was wondering if you have a gallery of your work that I may see. I read your post on the way to act when taking portraits of people and I found it very helpful; I'd love to see the results =)
  • Chui
Hey there Caterpillar!

I recently stumbled upon a few of your posts and I find them very
informative. I appreciate that you take the time out to share your
knowledge.
Always ready to share my little knowhow as others have helped me as
well in these fori. :-)
A) What has been your general experience with 300d and taking
portraits?
Very good. Clean images, even at higher ISOs. The trick is to
always expose correctly even at higher ISOs so you get less noise
to clean (usually in the shadows). Color is all right most of the
time. Use CWB and you are more than half way there. I use jpg fine
most of the time but in critical situations I go RAW. No, not to
correct mistakes but to get the best out of an image. RAW tends to
give me more details, contrast, and sharpness. I use it about 5% of
the time. And the reason why I don't go higher on RAW usage is...
B) Have the limitations of the 300d held you back in your portrait
experience?
4-frame buffer. Try to use RAW on that and you wait 24-30 seconds
for the 4 frame to flush to CF. Sure you can shoot another RAW in
4-6 sec, but you want some sequence sometimes when your subject is
doing everything right.
C) I don't really understand the 4 buffer system of the 300d. Is it
very slow? I don't need to take a bunch of incredibly fast shots
(as per d70), but it would be nice to have some more information on
300d burst.
It is very slow to flush to CF. Believe it or not, my D60 flushes
to CF faster. I can get 8 CF too, and I am clear for 2 more in
about 4-6 seconds or so after the 8. And this is RAW!

In fairness, some portrait shots don't need to be done
continuously. You take them one at a time in a leisurely manner.
Other than this limitations I have worked around FEC, AI-Servo, no
spot metering, etc of the 300D. It is the 4-frame buffer limit of
the camera that I cannot work around.

But other than that, it is a good camera. It's default selections
(except in Auto) seems to be good for most situations.

If you will do portraits mostly, I suggest to concentrate on
getting a good lens. My 50mm f1.8 mkII is my favorite for
sharpness. I plan to get a Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 xr Di to get as
close to "L-like" without spending too much. This lens is about 95%
of what the famous 24-70 f2.8L is. I will skip the 85mm f1.8 even
if it is good. The 28-75 will do it's chore. Good also for weddings
aside for portraiture. Maybe a 135 f2.0L is in the future, but that
is less for portraits (except in street photography where you need
more distance) for low light sports.
Thanks Caterpillar!
You're welcome, Chui!
---------------------
  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
--
http://www.chewyphoto.com
 
but with a usable 200-300.
If you do that, the 75-300 lenses are not that far from the 70-200 lenses.
Ok, not quite as good wide open, but damn close at f8!
I'd like to see some 100% crops of various shots at 300mm from this
lens. I have one and i am a few days away from purchasing a
70-200L because mine is very soft on the 200-300mm end.

Here is a pic of it at 300mm:

 

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