E-10 vs S1pro

The factory settings on the E-10 are not optimized for speed. You can achieve 0.1-0.5 sec between images without switching to continuous mode (which achieves less than 0.1sec between shots) by:

1. Turn off image review
2. Disable sounds (both confirming beep and "fake shutter" sounds)

The shutter lag of the E-10 is stellar compared to the 990.

Also the autofocus, while perhaps not as fast as say an Eos 1v, is pretty swift.

Many folks who have used the E-10 have commented that it is the first digicam for them that actually feels like a 35mm when shooting. I have to agree. The 990 (and the 950 before it) were more like computing devices posing as cameras. (I upgraded from a 950 to the E-10, skipping the 990 after playing around with a friend's and deciding it had the same "gadget" feel that I hated about the 950).

But sitting this round out with the 990 isn't a bad option either. My crystal ball tells me the prices of SLR-style digicams are going to drop considerably in the next year. The E-10 is sitting alone (no, sorry Minolta, you didn't "get it") in its price category. Nature and marketing abhorrers a vacuum.

Tom

baldy244 said:

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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You don't have to tell me what's wrong with the E10, and I can agree with your assessments too - the new D1 is a nice camera now.

Right now my E10 is paying its way to early retirement, and it will retire early as it is very poor in the reliability stakes, I’ll name them .. on second thoughts I won’t, I’m cool right now and am due more medication in ten minutes, long, cool, golden coloured and a frothy head – I’m off!!

Tom Conte said:

Oh and someone please tell Jaja, Ger Bee, Robert Schultz, David
Weikel, etc, etc., that their camera is just a prosumer piece of
crap. That would explain those crappy images.

Whew.

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Hi,

No one special here, but this forum is. Consider your response from us versus theirs (e.g., S1). I don't know how long we will last as a group, but if you get an e10 you are stuck with us.

This is good.

dave

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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Hi Dave,. I have owned several digital cameras and I have to give olympus thumbs up compared to the competition! At this point I have decided to sit with what I got, a Nikon 990. I'm not very happy with the camera but I figure If I go buy another camera I'll be making the same mistake twice. I going to wait for the camera manufacturers to get their # @^ togather! or for prices to come down on current models. I think the E-10 is a nice camera just not nearly worth the price it is at. One of my main concerns about paying so much for a camera is that the average life of a digital camera isn't all that long. Just my thoughts.

baldy244

Hey Baldy244,

No worries. I actually had the same concerns as you. My choice was to go for the e10. The others were out of reach $$$ and now as I occasonally look at the other forums, they have much the same issues as the e10. A big differnce is that the "issues" have mostly disappeared here in the e10 forum and we are enjoying taking pics and sharing experiences.

Anyway, I can appreciate your concerns. You got some very honest opnions here and if you ever go for the e10. Welcome!!!

Have fun

dave

baldy244 said:

Hi Dave,. I have owned several digital cameras and I have to give
olympus thumbs up compared to the competition! At this point I have
decided to sit with what I got, a Nikon 990. I'm not very happy
with the camera but I figure If I go buy another camera I'll be
making the same mistake twice. I going to wait for the camera
manufacturers to get their # @^ togather! or for prices to come
down on current models. I think the E-10 is a nice camera just not
nearly worth the price it is at. One of my main concerns about
paying so much for a camera is that the average life of a digital
camera isn't all that long. Just my thoughts.

baldy244

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The CP990 is an excellent piece of kit and I too often frustrated with its limitations. But it is working alongside my E10 and they compliment each other, in practice the quality is on a par but the E10 has that extra smoothness - which, ironically, may or may not translate into better looking pictures in my bread n butter newspaper.

But again the E10 takes better and easier people pictures, mug shots, conferences, presentations – it’s a doodle. Whilst the CP takes fantastic crowd shots, stall and exhibition pictures, café & hotel interiors etc. etc.

It would take the likes of the new D1 (and a gaggle of lenses) to replace them both.

baldy244 said:

Hi Dave,. I have owned several digital cameras and I have to give
olympus thumbs up compared to the competition! At this point I have
decided to sit with what I got, a Nikon 990. I'm not very happy
with the camera but I figure If I go buy another camera I'll be
making the same mistake twice. I going to wait for the camera
manufacturers to get their # @^ togather! or for prices to come
down on current models. I think the E-10 is a nice camera just not
nearly worth the price it is at. One of my main concerns about
paying so much for a camera is that the average life of a digital
camera isn't all that long. Just my thoughts.

baldy244

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6 monthes ago if you asked this question it might be more of a toss-up. But, now with S1's with 1Gb Microdrives going for $2500 the S1 looks a lot sweeter.

The S1 is considerably more camera than the E10 and at only $150 more (sans lens off course...and factoring the value of the Microdrive) the S1 is definitely the one to get. You can get an excellent 28-105 Nikon lens for $300 to go with it.

Also, consider there are lots of rumors on an E10 replacement. I would definitely wait on that purchase.

What you get with the S1 is a camera that can use lots of different lenses. One that can take useable pictures at ISO 1600.

I'd also expect the S1 to hold its value a bit better than the E10...though you shouldn't think of any digital camera as an "investment."

Danny

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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If you can I would suggest you wait out. (A) E10's have been withdrawn from sale at Jessop's UK (Our biggest photogroup) and (B) The S1 could drop even further in price when the Canon D30 replacement arrives as 10 to 1 the D30 will then drop in price.

I have got a headache with looking at so many excellent forum reports and images and have now decided - keep CP990 with which I am very pleased and - keep reading and looking, and finally - keep hand on wallet for a little while longer.

Daniel Lauring said:

The S1 is considerably more camera than the E10 and at only $150
more (sans lens off course...and factoring the value of the
Microdrive) the S1 is definitely the one to get. You can get an
excellent 28-105 Nikon lens for $300 to go with it.

Also, consider there are lots of rumors on an E10 replacement. I
would definitely wait on that purchase.

What you get with the S1 is a camera that can use lots of different
lenses. One that can take useable pictures at ISO 1600.

I'd also expect the S1 to hold its value a bit better than the
E10...though you shouldn't think of any digital camera as an
"investment."

Danny

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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There are other factors here that Dan has not spoken of in his "Fuji is considerably more camera" post. The S1 is built on the Nikon N60 frame, a cheap consumer body at best, not nearly in the same build league as the E-10. The S1 interpolates to get to its highest resolution, unlike the E-10. Interchangable lenses for the S1 are not the end all either. The E-10 lens has been engineered from the ground up for its CCD coverage and is much faster at f/2.0, the S1 makes do with lenses that are not designed to cover its CCD, to say nothing of the very real dust and foreign matter contamination of the exposed CCD from changing lenses on the S1. You should know that the "excellent 28-105 Nikon lens" that Daniel touts is not all that excellent, nor is it a 28-105 when placed on your S1. It is, in fact, a slower 43-155 (approx) focal length. This, against the 28-140 Oly f2.0 lens. The E-10 can be purchased today for $1600, including the excellent ED 28-140 lens. This compared to the S1 for (Daniels quote) $1,750 without any lens, let alone a comparable lens. Personally, I don't believe you can buy the S1 for $1,750 as Daniel says. Perhaps he is using the list (highest) price for the E-10 as against the lowest found S1, body only price, I don't know. This to you Daniel, to come on the E-10 board and say the "S1 is considerably more camera for the E-10 and at only $150 more" statement is poor at best and a flame post at worst. Yes, I know you feel you were simply responding to a question asked on this board, but unless you own both cameras (last I saw, you owned the D30) and can give empirical evidence for your statement, I choose to debate your post with my response. Regards, Jim

Daniel Lauring said:

The S1 is considerably more camera than the E10 and at only $150
more (sans lens off course...and factoring the value of the
Microdrive) the S1 is definitely the one to get. You can get an
excellent 28-105 Nikon lens for $300 to go with it.

Also, consider there are lots of rumors on an E10 replacement. I
would definitely wait on that purchase.

What you get with the S1 is a camera that can use lots of different
lenses. One that can take useable pictures at ISO 1600.

I'd also expect the S1 to hold its value a bit better than the
E10...though you shouldn't think of any digital camera as an
"investment."

Danny

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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Hi Bryan

The E10's have been withdrawn from Jessops 'cos they had a bad batch - can happen to anyone.

Using your logic, you'll keep with what you've got forever (there'll always be something better around the corner).

The E-10 is a great camera for now - the only comparison I can honestly make with the S1 is the build quality, and there really is no comparison at all, the E-10 wins hands down.

Three months on, I'd buy my E-10 again without hesitation (and yes I could afford a D-30 or a D-1, and yes I did have Nikon lenses already). I just think that it's a great camera.

Jono (satisfied for once) Slack

Bryan said:

I have got a headache with looking at so many excellent forum
reports and images and have now decided - keep CP990 with which I
am very pleased and - keep reading and looking, and finally - keep
hand on wallet for a little while longer.

Daniel Lauring said:

The S1 is considerably more camera than the E10 and at only $150
more (sans lens off course...and factoring the value of the
Microdrive) the S1 is definitely the one to get. You can get an
excellent 28-105 Nikon lens for $300 to go with it.

Also, consider there are lots of rumors on an E10 replacement. I
would definitely wait on that purchase.

What you get with the S1 is a camera that can use lots of different
lenses. One that can take useable pictures at ISO 1600.

I'd also expect the S1 to hold its value a bit better than the
E10...though you shouldn't think of any digital camera as an
"investment."

Danny

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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With respect to value for money on the E-10; I was a Nikon user before (last camera was an F100). My E-10 cost pretty much the same as the F-100 body with 24-120 zoom. I'd say that the engineering and build quality were pretty much comparable.

IMHO the E-10 is the first digital camera which would cost pretty much the same if it were film. i.e. great value for money.

Regards
Jono Slack

baldy244 said:

Hi Dave,. I have owned several digital cameras and I have to give
olympus thumbs up compared to the competition! At this point I have
decided to sit with what I got, a Nikon 990. I'm not very happy
with the camera but I figure If I go buy another camera I'll be
making the same mistake twice. I going to wait for the camera
manufacturers to get their # @^ togather! or for prices to come
down on current models. I think the E-10 is a nice camera just not
nearly worth the price it is at. One of my main concerns about
paying so much for a camera is that the average life of a digital
camera isn't all that long. Just my thoughts.

baldy244

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I'd like to second this response!

Jim said:

Daniel Lauring said:

The S1 is considerably more camera than the E10 and at only $150
more (sans lens off course...and factoring the value of the
Microdrive) the S1 is definitely the one to get. You can get an
excellent 28-105 Nikon lens for $300 to go with it.

Also, consider there are lots of rumors on an E10 replacement. I
would definitely wait on that purchase.

What you get with the S1 is a camera that can use lots of different
lenses. One that can take useable pictures at ISO 1600.

I'd also expect the S1 to hold its value a bit better than the
E10...though you shouldn't think of any digital camera as an
"investment."

Danny

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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Hey There Dudes,

I really don't think the S1 is going to hold its value any more than the E-10. I mean, why do you think it's been price-slashed by over $1000? Because Fuji is coming out with a new model as well as Canon. So either way, you lose money on whatever model you get.

I also think the E-10 UPGRADE, is going to be software based. So, I wouldn't worry. I'm not. Fuji is not going to do a software based upgrade. I am more certain of that than I am on the E-10. So, you might as well get a camera that has the very good possibility of being upgraded and performance upgraded with a simple software tweak.

Now, let's get to the affordable accessories and the quality. You just can't beat the lens quality for the price. And the accessories of the E-10 will fulfill almost any pro-photographer at a reasonable price.

Go ahead and get the S1, but don't come back here screaming and complaining that you have to buy over $2000 worth of lenses and equipment to make it par-up with the quality of an E-10. The E-10 could easy out match the S1 if Olympus did the same interpolation as the S1 does. Olympus could claim 4480x3260 if they wanted.

P.S. If you can get an S1 for under $2500, I would be curious to see how the transaction goes.

Jason B

Baldy244,

I cant' believe that people from this forum are actually saying that the Olympus E-10 is a better buy! Come on!
I owned a E-10 for a week and it went right back to the store.

I does have very fast lens and the built quality is very good, but the images are noisy even at ISO 80. More sensitivity is unusable.

The S1 with the microdrive is a mere $150 more than Olympus. Is there anything to think about??? To start you can add a 28-105 very sharp lens and then upgrade gradually.

I own a D30 and I'm very happy with the quality of the Canon lenses, but if I had to choose between the Olympus E-10 and Fuji S1, is obvious that my choice would got to the professional S1.

Whoever tells you any different is not objectively telling their opinion.
FRED

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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I would not be suprised if Fuji gets out of the business completely...along with Kodak. Its hard to compete when you have to buy someone elses body to integrate your components into. Now that Nikon and Canon have strong entries...and Pentax and the other major brands are following...there isn't any room for new players. Most photographers, who would spend the big bucks on a digital SLR are going to go with the big players that work with their existing lens inventories.

I also wouldn't count on a software upgrade for the E10. History is not on your side with that one. Oly has a history of introducing new models with new features and totally abandoning the old models. The C2000 and 2500 come to mind. As for depreciation...check out what you can buy a 2500 for...compared to the price when it was new.

Also, you wouldn't need $2000 dollars worth of lenses to equal the one lens on the Oly. I suggested the 28-105 for $300 but you could also swing for the 24-120 for $500...a bit better. Actually, I'd probably go for the same Sigma 28-70 F2.8 that I put on my D30...a great lens and a great value at $300.

The whole interpolation thing got blown out of proportion. It was a mistake for Fuji to claim the numbers they did...but it was proven that the S1 has higher resolution than the D1 and D30 on several sites.

I feel the S1 at $2500, is a better value than the E10 at $1800.

I also feel they are both overpriced but hey, I spent $2800 on a D30 which was way too much.

In another year we'll be looking at sub-$2000 digital SLR's and sub-$1000 dollar cameras will soon follow.

Danny

Jason B said:

Hey There Dudes,

I really don't think the S1 is going to hold its value any more
than the E-10. I mean, why do you think it's been price-slashed by
over $1000? Because Fuji is coming out with a new model as well as
Canon. So either way, you lose money on whatever model you get.

I also think the E-10 UPGRADE, is going to be software based. So, I
wouldn't worry. I'm not. Fuji is not going to do a software based
upgrade. I am more certain of that than I am on the E-10. So, you
might as well get a camera that has the very good possibility of
being upgraded and performance upgraded with a simple software
tweak.

Now, let's get to the affordable accessories and the quality. You
just can't beat the lens quality for the price. And the accessories
of the E-10 will fulfill almost any pro-photographer at a
reasonable price.

Go ahead and get the S1, but don't come back here screaming and
complaining that you have to buy over $2000 worth of lenses and
equipment to make it par-up with the quality of an E-10. The E-10
could easy out match the S1 if Olympus did the same interpolation
as the S1 does. Olympus could claim 4480x3260 if they wanted.

P.S. If you can get an S1 for under $2500, I would be curious to
see how the transaction goes.

Jason B

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Wow, what an unbiased opinion. Some other details Fred left out--

The E-10 has great low light focusing ability

The E-10 has three metering modes (spot, center weighted, "ESP" which is a kind of matrix), the S1 doesn't

The E-10 has an excellent lens built to deliver parallel light to the CCD. It is sealed to prevent dust. The S1 has one of the worst dust problems of any removable lens SLR.

The E10 has an extremely fast lens. Find a 35-140mm f2-2.4 lens for the S1, please.

The optical attachments that take the E-10 lens to wide angle or telephoto, with the possible exception of slight vignetting on the TCON-300, are exceptionally sharp.

The E-10 is a camera built from the bottom up for digital.

The S1 is based on the low end Nikon N60, which even Nikon would not ever call a "pro" camera.

The E-10 is in an entirely rugged and metal clad case. The S1 -- and yes the D30 -- are plastic monstrosities.

So yes I can surely believe that people in this forum would put the E-10 above the S1. WE ALL DID when we made our purchasing decisions (duh!).

Oh yes, the E-10 can be had for $1700 these days.

Tom

FRED said:

I own a D30 and I'm very happy with the quality of the Canon
lenses, but if I had to choose between the Olympus E-10 and Fuji
S1, is obvious that my choice would got to the professional S1.

Whoever tells you any different is not objectively telling their
opinion.
FRED

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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Yes, there are some deficiencies of the S1....but these are mostly deficiencies when compared to the D1...it still is a heck of an awesome picture taker. For example the S1 can't autofocus with the newer faster focussing lenses of Nikon. The S1 requires two sets of batteries. The S1 doesn't have spot metering. The S1 can only take 1.5fps for 5 frames.

Compared to the E10 the S1 has higher ISO's. It has a higher frame rate and bigger buffer. It works with Microdrives. It can take a myriad of lenses.

First and foremost look at the pictures. The S1 produces tremendous pictures.

Do you want to work in lower light? The S1 has the greatest dynamic range of any of the lower end digital SLR's and the best high ISO performance. This has always been a weakness of consumer digital cameras and one of the main benefits of either the S1, D1 or D30.

The Nikon 28-105 lens is a decent lens...not great (excellent was a poor choice of words on my part.) Nikon is definitely behind Canon in lens design, unfortunately. Canon's 28-105 is a much better lens. If you don't like the 28-105, check out the 50 or so other lenses that you can pair with the camera...the beauty of a true interchangeable lens SLR. The Sigma 28-70 F2.8...my favorite lens for the D30...comes to mind.

Yes, you can get dust in there...but yes, you can clean it too.

As far as lens speed is concerned...it is only part of the equation. The other is ISO. Don't forget the S1 is cranking along at 400 ISO....and it works wonderfully at much higher ISO's. It needs 1/4th the light of the Oly. So an F2.8 lens on the S1 is still going to be able to work in half the light of the E10....and that is comparing ISO 400 to ISO 100. The S1 can go much faster than that. On the other end of the spectrum the S1 can crank at 1/2000th shutter speed....capturing motion the E10 could never handle.

As far as price...I said the S1 can be had for $2500....not $1750???? This is from reputable sources. You can find lower prices advertised...like $2200 from Broadway but I these are "bait and switch" places. Is there a reputable place that sells the E10 for less than $1900??? I just checked shopper.com and didn't find any. The S1 now comes with a 1Gb Microdrive (at least a $350 value) so that makes it really $2150 for the body. I think the S1 body for $2150, is a better value than the E10 camera for $1900 (just threw that out there...don't know if you can get it for that price.)

I'm not trying to create flamebait at all here. I visit this board like many other boards and occasionally answer posts.

This guy asked for advice I gave it.

I always find it funny how people get so darn defensive.

I know my D30 has flaws. I wish it didn't. Does it suck. No. But I'd be the first to admit there are better digital SLR's than my D30. I would gladly trade my D30 for a Kodak 560 or 620x. I bought D30 because it was the best I felt I could afford.

Does the E10 have flaws. Yes. Does it suck. No. Are there better cameras than it. Hell yes. Is the S1 one of them. Yes.

To each his own but I think you will find most knowledgeable, unbiased photographers would rate the image quality of the S1 over the E10. Just to throw out one, Megapixel.net rates the S1 a 10/9 in image quality and the E10 a 9/8. If I recall correctly, the S1 won the best digital photograph shootout at the PMA again this year.

People bought the S1 at $4800 dollars. Now you can get it for $2500 with a 1Gb Microdrive. I'm sure this situation was forced on Fuji by the popularity of the D30 and the better versatility of the D1. So they dropped their price and did a good job of creating a good value.

If the Fuji had been available at this price last year, before I bought my D30, I would definitely have bought one...warts and all.

Danny

Jim said:

Daniel Lauring said:

The S1 is considerably more camera than the E10 and at only $150
more (sans lens off course...and factoring the value of the
Microdrive) the S1 is definitely the one to get. You can get an
excellent 28-105 Nikon lens for $300 to go with it.

Also, consider there are lots of rumors on an E10 replacement. I
would definitely wait on that purchase.

What you get with the S1 is a camera that can use lots of different
lenses. One that can take useable pictures at ISO 1600.

I'd also expect the S1 to hold its value a bit better than the
E10...though you shouldn't think of any digital camera as an
"investment."

Danny

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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Tom Conte said:

Wow, what an unbiased opinion. Some other details Fred left out--

The E-10 has great low light focusing ability

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When it focusses. I suggest anyone do a good search on E10 focus problems and then look for similar problems on the Fuji SLR forum. I'll save you the time...you won't find them on the Fuji forum.

Tom Conte said:

The E-10 has three metering modes (spot, center weighted, "ESP"
which is a kind of matrix), the S1 doesn't

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The S1 lacks spot metering. It seems to meter pretty darn well, however and has much better dynamic range than the E10.

Tom Conte said:

The E-10 has an excellent lens built to deliver parallel light to
the CCD. It is sealed to prevent dust. The S1 has one of the
worst dust problems of any removable lens SLR.

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That is marketing mumbo jumbo. The proof, as they say is in the pudding. Most unbiased people would rate the S1's image quality above the E10. It has been rated as having one of the best color reproductions in the industry....bar none. It won the PMA photograph shootout for the second year in a row.

Tom Conte said:

The E10 has an extremely fast lens. Find a 35-140mm f2-2.4 lens for
the S1, please.

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That is only half the equation. The S1 has a much faster ISO than the E10...more than making up for lens speed. In fact, pair it with a F2.8 lens and it is a faster camera. On the other side the S1 can snap away at 1/2000th of a second....in another league from the E10.

Tom Conte said:

The optical attachments that take the E-10 lens to wide angle or
telephoto, with the possible exception of slight vignetting on the
TCON-300, are exceptionally sharp.

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You can add an inexpensive, but excellent in quality, $170 converter behind your Nikon lenses and get 1.4x or 2x increase in focal length. Or you put a myriad of other lenses on there...like a 300mm F2.8.

Tom Conte said:

The E-10 is a camera built from the bottom up for digital.

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More marketing mumbo jumbo. Megapixel.net rates the picture quality of the E10 as 9/8. The S1 garners a 10/9. Other reputable review sites likewise shower the S1 with praise regarding it's picture quality.

Tom Conte said:

The S1 is based on the low end Nikon N60, which even Nikon would
not ever call a "pro" camera.

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True. But it is still packed with features and has abilities the E10 does not have.

Tom Conte said:

The E-10 is in an entirely rugged and metal clad case. The S1 --
and yes the D30 -- are plastic monstrosities.

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Plastic monstrosities? Now that is unbiased!!!! If you want to stay away from plastic you will have a very difficult life.

Tom Conte said:

So yes I can surely believe that people in this forum would put the
E-10 above the S1. WE ALL DID when we made our purchasing
decisions (duh!).

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No. You purchased it because it was the best value at the time. The times they are a changing. At $2500 with a 1Gb Microdrive the S1 is a better value.

Tom Conte said:

Oh yes, the E-10 can be had for $1700 these days.

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Please name a reputable source that has the E10 for $1700. I did a quick check and all the reputable places seemed to still have it at $1950 or $1999.

I must agree with Fred. You are looking through the world through Olympus E10 marketing colored glasses. The S1 is the better value at this time.

Who is being biased? Fred, who doesn't even own an S1 to defend...or you with your E10 tightly gripped in your white knuckles.

Danny

Tom Conte said:

Tom

FRED said:

I own a D30 and I'm very happy with the quality of the Canon
lenses, but if I had to choose between the Olympus E-10 and Fuji
S1, is obvious that my choice would got to the professional S1.

Whoever tells you any different is not objectively telling their
opinion.
FRED

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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Daniel,
In my opinion, having an E-10 is like having a bulky CP990 SLR.

Seriously. They share a small CCD size, built-in lens, noise even at low ISO setting, low ISO range (80-320), Huge tiff files (practically unusable), no microdrive compatibility, etc....

Now, the D1, S1 and D30 are the "affordable" next level SLR cameras.

They all got higher sensitivity ISO (around 100-1600), large CCDs or CMOS (actual control of depth of field), interchangeable lens, small RAW files, microdrive compatibility, very low noise.

I might be wrong but I would guess that the majority of E-10 owners would choose the S1 over the E-10 IF there was no significant difference in price. The S1 used to cost double the price of the E-10 without lenses. Now the price is practically the same with microdrive included. My bet is that we will see lots of "LIKE NEW" E-10s on Ebay on the following weeks...
FRED

Daniel Lauring said:

Tom Conte said:

Wow, what an unbiased opinion. Some other details Fred left out--

The E-10 has great low light focusing ability

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When it focusses. I suggest anyone do a good search on E10 focus
problems and then look for similar problems on the Fuji SLR forum.
I'll save you the time...you won't find them on the Fuji forum.

Member said:

The E-10 has three metering modes (spot, center weighted, "ESP"
which is a kind of matrix), the S1 doesn't

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The S1 lacks spot metering. It seems to meter pretty darn well,
however and has much better dynamic range than the E10.

Member said:

The E-10 has an excellent lens built to deliver parallel light to
the CCD. It is sealed to prevent dust. The S1 has one of the
worst dust problems of any removable lens SLR.

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That is marketing mumbo jumbo. The proof, as they say is in the
pudding. Most unbiased people would rate the S1's image quality
above the E10. It has been rated as having one of the best color
reproductions in the industry....bar none. It won the PMA
photograph shootout for the second year in a row.

Member said:

The E10 has an extremely fast lens. Find a 35-140mm f2-2.4 lens for
the S1, please.

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That is only half the equation. The S1 has a much faster ISO than
the E10...more than making up for lens speed. In fact, pair it
with a F2.8 lens and it is a faster camera. On the other side the
S1 can snap away at 1/2000th of a second....in another league from
the E10.

Member said:

The optical attachments that take the E-10 lens to wide angle or
telephoto, with the possible exception of slight vignetting on the
TCON-300, are exceptionally sharp.

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You can add an inexpensive, but excellent in quality, $170
converter behind your Nikon lenses and get 1.4x or 2x increase in
focal length. Or you put a myriad of other lenses on there...like
a 300mm F2.8.

Member said:

The E-10 is a camera built from the bottom up for digital.

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More marketing mumbo jumbo. Megapixel.net rates the picture
quality of the E10 as 9/8. The S1 garners a 10/9. Other reputable
review sites likewise shower the S1 with praise regarding it's
picture quality.

Member said:

The S1 is based on the low end Nikon N60, which even Nikon would
not ever call a "pro" camera.

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True. But it is still packed with features and has abilities the
E10 does not have.

Member said:

The E-10 is in an entirely rugged and metal clad case. The S1 --
and yes the D30 -- are plastic monstrosities.

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Plastic monstrosities? Now that is unbiased!!!! If you want to
stay away from plastic you will have a very difficult life.

Member said:

So yes I can surely believe that people in this forum would put the
E-10 above the S1. WE ALL DID when we made our purchasing
decisions (duh!).

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No. You purchased it because it was the best value at the time.
The times they are a changing. At $2500 with a 1Gb Microdrive the
S1 is a better value.

Member said:

Oh yes, the E-10 can be had for $1700 these days.

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Please name a reputable source that has the E10 for $1700. I did a
quick check and all the reputable places seemed to still have it at
$1950 or $1999.

I must agree with Fred. You are looking through the world through
Olympus E10 marketing colored glasses. The S1 is the better value
at this time.

Who is being biased? Fred, who doesn't even own an S1 to
defend...or you with your E10 tightly gripped in your white
knuckles.

Danny

Member said:

Tom

FRED said:

I own a D30 and I'm very happy with the quality of the Canon
lenses, but if I had to choose between the Olympus E-10 and Fuji
S1, is obvious that my choice would got to the professional S1.

Whoever tells you any different is not objectively telling their
opinion.
FRED

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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The depth of field is also a good point I forgot to mention.

But, the E10 does have a RAW format, while the S1 doesn't. Or at least it didn't the last time I checked.

I would list the advantages of the "next level" cameras in this order (realizing there is lots of room for arguments on the specific order.)

1. Lower noise, higher ISO capability.

2. High dynamic range.

3. Fast. Quick review, quick on, immeasurable shutter lag.

4. Burst speeds. Sub 1 second cycle times. Multiple picture buffers.

5. Interchangeable lenses

6. Shallower depth of field (double edged sword.)

Some of the other advantages of these cameras are shared with cameras like the E10.

7. True SLR.

8. Histogram information.

9. RAW file formats.

10. Long battery life.

11. Capability of using external flashes.

Gone are the days of grainy pictures in lower light, waiting for the camera to turn on, trying to take into account the lag when timing pictures, waiting for the camera to be ready for the next shot, red eye, attaching all sorts of monstrosities of teleconverters on the front to get more focal length, photoshopping depth of field back into shots, guessing at distances when manually focussing, parallex error in the viewfinder, swapping out CF card after CF card, rigging up external flashes on brackets bigger than the camera, giving people 5 minutes worth of instructions when handing them the camera...etc...etc...etc.

FRED said:

Now, the D1, S1 and D30 are the "affordable" next level SLR cameras.
They all got higher sensitivity ISO (around 100-1600), large CCDs
or CMOS (actual control of depth of field), interchangeable lens,
small RAW files, microdrive compatibility, very low noise.

I might be wrong but I would guess that the majority of E-10 owners
would choose the S1 over the E-10 IF there was no significant
difference in price. The S1 used to cost double the price of the
E-10 without lenses. Now the price is practically the same with
microdrive included. My bet is that we will see lots of "LIKE NEW"
E-10s on Ebay on the following weeks...
FRED

Daniel Lauring said:

Tom Conte said:

Wow, what an unbiased opinion. Some other details Fred left out--

The E-10 has great low light focusing ability

Click to expand...

When it focusses. I suggest anyone do a good search on E10 focus
problems and then look for similar problems on the Fuji SLR forum.
I'll save you the time...you won't find them on the Fuji forum.

Member said:

The E-10 has three metering modes (spot, center weighted, "ESP"
which is a kind of matrix), the S1 doesn't

Click to expand...

The S1 lacks spot metering. It seems to meter pretty darn well,
however and has much better dynamic range than the E10.

Member said:

The E-10 has an excellent lens built to deliver parallel light to
the CCD. It is sealed to prevent dust. The S1 has one of the
worst dust problems of any removable lens SLR.

Click to expand...

That is marketing mumbo jumbo. The proof, as they say is in the
pudding. Most unbiased people would rate the S1's image quality
above the E10. It has been rated as having one of the best color
reproductions in the industry....bar none. It won the PMA
photograph shootout for the second year in a row.

Member said:

The E10 has an extremely fast lens. Find a 35-140mm f2-2.4 lens for
the S1, please.

Click to expand...

That is only half the equation. The S1 has a much faster ISO than
the E10...more than making up for lens speed. In fact, pair it
with a F2.8 lens and it is a faster camera. On the other side the
S1 can snap away at 1/2000th of a second....in another league from
the E10.

Member said:

The optical attachments that take the E-10 lens to wide angle or
telephoto, with the possible exception of slight vignetting on the
TCON-300, are exceptionally sharp.

Click to expand...

You can add an inexpensive, but excellent in quality, $170
converter behind your Nikon lenses and get 1.4x or 2x increase in
focal length. Or you put a myriad of other lenses on there...like
a 300mm F2.8.

Member said:

The E-10 is a camera built from the bottom up for digital.

Click to expand...

More marketing mumbo jumbo. Megapixel.net rates the picture
quality of the E10 as 9/8. The S1 garners a 10/9. Other reputable
review sites likewise shower the S1 with praise regarding it's
picture quality.

Member said:

The S1 is based on the low end Nikon N60, which even Nikon would
not ever call a "pro" camera.

Click to expand...

True. But it is still packed with features and has abilities the
E10 does not have.

Member said:

The E-10 is in an entirely rugged and metal clad case. The S1 --
and yes the D30 -- are plastic monstrosities.

Click to expand...

Plastic monstrosities? Now that is unbiased!!!! If you want to
stay away from plastic you will have a very difficult life.

Member said:

So yes I can surely believe that people in this forum would put the
E-10 above the S1. WE ALL DID when we made our purchasing
decisions (duh!).

Click to expand...

No. You purchased it because it was the best value at the time.
The times they are a changing. At $2500 with a 1Gb Microdrive the
S1 is a better value.

Member said:

Oh yes, the E-10 can be had for $1700 these days.

Click to expand...

Please name a reputable source that has the E10 for $1700. I did a
quick check and all the reputable places seemed to still have it at
$1950 or $1999.

I must agree with Fred. You are looking through the world through
Olympus E10 marketing colored glasses. The S1 is the better value
at this time.

Who is being biased? Fred, who doesn't even own an S1 to
defend...or you with your E10 tightly gripped in your white
knuckles.

Danny

Member said:

Tom

FRED said:

I own a D30 and I'm very happy with the quality of the Canon
lenses, but if I had to choose between the Olympus E-10 and Fuji
S1, is obvious that my choice would got to the professional S1.

Whoever tells you any different is not objectively telling their
opinion.
FRED

baldy244 said:

I want to make the jump to slr and I'm torn between these two
cameras. What reasons are there that I should buy the E-10 instead
of the S1pro?
baldy244

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