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Is the Rebel better than the Nikon D70?

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GREEN LATERN said:
Based on the review on this website, the D70 does have some pluses
over the Rebel, and I just wanted to hear from those who decided to
go with the Rebel.
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I have the 10D but the Rebel (had it been in the shops when I had the chance to upgrade) would have sufficed at the time... As a camera body the D70 is better specced in some parts but annoyingly they made a few omissions that outright would disqualify the camera on my short list, the most stupid one being the lack of a remote trigger to speak of - their IR remote is more a burden than an asset with interfering TV remotes and a receiver that requires operating it from in front of the camera (never have seen a photographer shoot wildlife or macros on a tripod while standing in front of the camera - with the D70 this day might come and I know I will be ROTFL then...).
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...of each camera's capabilities.

If you do a lot of high-ISO work, the D70 (subjectively) has a more pleasing noise pattern to some. If you do a lot of low-ISO work, the Digital Rebel's smooth ISO 100 would probably be more important to you.

If you do a lot of sports shooting, the D70's AI Servo capabilities will probably sway you to it.

One thing that is not mention is shutter/mirror mechanism life. The D70 has a much smoother action - this doesn't automatically mean it's going to last long, but with the Digital Rebel's caparatively noisy mirror slap it would be unsurprising to find that the D70's lasts longer.
Backdoctor said:
No need for us to p!ss on each other over it. Better we enjoy the
hobby together, share techniques and help each other.

Dont you think?
TugBoat said:
That's what they say. Funny how the pros at the tennis games all
have the latest equipment. I suspect the camera helps a lot more
than people are willing to acknowledge.

If you have all day to take one good still life, then I would agree
that it's the photographer.

If you have 2 hours to cover a tennis match, air show, or 2 hours
with a model, the guy with the 8fps camera wins. Yes, I real pro
with years of experience may still beat me in the tennis match
coverage. However, I can probably beat someone who is just a bit
better than me if I had better equipment.
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If I thought the D70 was better, I'd probably have bought one by now, and I'd probably hang in that forum. On the other hand, the buyers of D70s selected it for their reasons, not mine, so it's better for them. All this assumes that we are all smart enough to buy what we think is better - if we aren't then don't trust our advice!
 
D70 does indeed have some pluses, craftily inserted between the Canon 300D and 10D puts pressure on both Canon models (but Nikon idiotically gutted the price of their own D100 which lost $1000 in value in just 1 year).

The D70 has a lot of features and selectability, so you can work more quickly and with a bit more freedom.

For my money, given a 300D / D70 choice I would still take the DR. It produces a studio quality digital image, which is what I need. My shots frequently involve fabrics (and perf/mesh metal) so the moire problem in the D70 would be fatal. And I print at 22x28, and the D70's sharpness wouldn't allow for the pristine images I surprisingly get from the DR. The DR neatly fits my idiosyncratic style of shooting.
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GREEN LATERN said:
Based on the review on this website, the D70 does have some pluses
over the Rebel, and I just wanted to hear from those who decided to
go with the Rebel.
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I don't know how mirror slap has anything to do with shutter, but my old manual SLR cameras is almost twice as loud as the DRebel, and the shutter has lasted for decades.

Still, if the D70 uses some weird mix of electonic and mechanical shutters, maybe it will last longer. But who's to know?
Sam Bennett said:
If you do a lot of high-ISO work, the D70 (subjectively) has a more
pleasing noise pattern to some. If you do a lot of low-ISO work,
the Digital Rebel's smooth ISO 100 would probably be more important
to you.

If you do a lot of sports shooting, the D70's AI Servo capabilities
will probably sway you to it.

One thing that is not mention is shutter/mirror mechanism life. The
D70 has a much smoother action - this doesn't automatically mean
it's going to last long, but with the Digital Rebel's caparatively
noisy mirror slap it would be unsurprising to find that the D70's
lasts longer.
Backdoctor said:
No need for us to p!ss on each other over it. Better we enjoy the
hobby together, share techniques and help each other.

Dont you think?
TugBoat said:
That's what they say. Funny how the pros at the tennis games all
have the latest equipment. I suspect the camera helps a lot more
than people are willing to acknowledge.

If you have all day to take one good still life, then I would agree
that it's the photographer.

If you have 2 hours to cover a tennis match, air show, or 2 hours
with a model, the guy with the 8fps camera wins. Yes, I real pro
with years of experience may still beat me in the tennis match
coverage. However, I can probably beat someone who is just a bit
better than me if I had better equipment.
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You're absolutely right that there's no way to tell, so it's anyone's guess. But given the chance to buy a mechanical system that sounds smooth over one that sounds rough, I'll go with the smooth. As you progress up from the Rebel the 10D and beyond, the systems get more and more "refined" sounding - with the 1D just being incredibly slick... drool A friend of mine who switched from thr Rebel to the 10D summed it up well - "I felt like every time I took a photo I could hear it vibrate through my skull" LOL You won't find that in the D70 or the 10D. It may be meaningless, but I suspect it's not.
Max Fun said:
Still, if the D70 uses some weird mix of electonic and mechanical
shutters, maybe it will last longer. But who's to know?
Sam Bennett said:
If you do a lot of high-ISO work, the D70 (subjectively) has a more
pleasing noise pattern to some. If you do a lot of low-ISO work,
the Digital Rebel's smooth ISO 100 would probably be more important
to you.

If you do a lot of sports shooting, the D70's AI Servo capabilities
will probably sway you to it.

One thing that is not mention is shutter/mirror mechanism life. The
D70 has a much smoother action - this doesn't automatically mean
it's going to last long, but with the Digital Rebel's caparatively
noisy mirror slap it would be unsurprising to find that the D70's
lasts longer.
Backdoctor said:
No need for us to p!ss on each other over it. Better we enjoy the
hobby together, share techniques and help each other.

Dont you think?
TugBoat said:
That's what they say. Funny how the pros at the tennis games all
have the latest equipment. I suspect the camera helps a lot more
than people are willing to acknowledge.

If you have all day to take one good still life, then I would agree
that it's the photographer.

If you have 2 hours to cover a tennis match, air show, or 2 hours
with a model, the guy with the 8fps camera wins. Yes, I real pro
with years of experience may still beat me in the tennis match
coverage. However, I can probably beat someone who is just a bit
better than me if I had better equipment.
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I like the Canon. No offense intended. Just some comments during a break. I agree, no appreciable difference.
Backdoctor said:
No need for us to p!ss on each other over it. Better we enjoy the
hobby together, share techniques and help each other.

Dont you think?
TugBoat said:
That's what they say. Funny how the pros at the tennis games all
have the latest equipment. I suspect the camera helps a lot more
than people are willing to acknowledge.

If you have all day to take one good still life, then I would agree
that it's the photographer.

If you have 2 hours to cover a tennis match, air show, or 2 hours
with a model, the guy with the 8fps camera wins. Yes, I real pro
with years of experience may still beat me in the tennis match
coverage. However, I can probably beat someone who is just a bit
better than me if I had better equipment.
Click to expand...
--
Harris

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If you check the Phil's comparison here, the DRebel has less luminance noise than the D70, although with maybe more chroma noise. But most people forget that Phil's test was done at Parameter 1 on the DRebel, where there is lots more noise, and the Canon sensor is in fact about 2/3 stop more sensitive than the D70.

Also, the resolution tests seem to suggest that the D70 has greatly improved resolution over the old D100, which most people think is due to the weaker AA filter on the sensor. But comparing the DRebel with the D70, they have about the same level of resolution, while the latter had to contend with more moire artifacts. The best thing about the DRebel is that since it's so much less noisy than the D70, especially with ISO 100, you can even sharpen the picture to a higher degree and still not be as grainy as the D70.

Generally, there's no denying that the D70 is much more feature rich than the 300D. But personally, I think the image quality is the most important when deciding on a camera. If none of the features lacking from the 300D is going to hamper you, then I'd totally recommend the 300D.
GREEN LATERN said:
Based on the review on this website, the D70 does have some pluses
over the Rebel, and I just wanted to hear from those who decided to
go with the Rebel.
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You know, the EOS Elan 7 is supposed to be much quieter than the EOS 3, but I suspect that the EOS 3 has the more durable shutter. I was also at the 1DII forum, and someone was complaining how loud the mirror was, although there's supposed to be some kind of a silent operation switch to make the mechanism much quieter.

In any case, after picking up my old Contax S2 and my friends Nikon FA, I told myself that I will never complain about the mirror on my DRebel :)
Sam Bennett said:
Max Fun said:
Still, if the D70 uses some weird mix of electonic and mechanical
shutters, maybe it will last longer. But who's to know?
Sam Bennett said:
If you do a lot of high-ISO work, the D70 (subjectively) has a more
pleasing noise pattern to some. If you do a lot of low-ISO work,
the Digital Rebel's smooth ISO 100 would probably be more important
to you.

If you do a lot of sports shooting, the D70's AI Servo capabilities
will probably sway you to it.

One thing that is not mention is shutter/mirror mechanism life. The
D70 has a much smoother action - this doesn't automatically mean
it's going to last long, but with the Digital Rebel's caparatively
noisy mirror slap it would be unsurprising to find that the D70's
lasts longer.
Backdoctor said:
No need for us to p!ss on each other over it. Better we enjoy the
hobby together, share techniques and help each other.

Dont you think?
TugBoat said:
That's what they say. Funny how the pros at the tennis games all
have the latest equipment. I suspect the camera helps a lot more
than people are willing to acknowledge.

If you have all day to take one good still life, then I would agree
that it's the photographer.

If you have 2 hours to cover a tennis match, air show, or 2 hours
with a model, the guy with the 8fps camera wins. Yes, I real pro
with years of experience may still beat me in the tennis match
coverage. However, I can probably beat someone who is just a bit
better than me if I had better equipment.
Click to expand...
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Harris

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Sam Bennett - Photo Guy, Audio Engineer and Web-Apper -
http://www.swiftbennett.com
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--
The Secret to Life is... Calcium!!
http://max-fun.fotopic.net
http://www.pbase.com/supperman
Click to expand...
--
Sam Bennett - Photo Guy, Audio Engineer and Web-Apper -
http://www.swiftbennett.com
Click to expand...
--
The Secret to Life is... Calcium!!
http://max-fun.fotopic.net
http://www.pbase.com/supperman
 
GREEN LATERN said:
Based on the review on this website, the D70 does have some pluses
over the Rebel, and I just wanted to hear from those who decided to
go with the Rebel.
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If you mean better image quality i would say the rebel is better from what i've seen, but i prefer the images from the cmos sensor, but to really tell i would need to buy a D70 to compare.

Since my 400 f5.6L won't mount on the d70 i won't be buying one anytime soon. I think it depends a lot on what you like to shoot too.
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Marcos Villaroman said:
I own a DRebel and borrowed a friend's D70 for a few days. I
really like certain features of the D70 over the Rebel (BTW, I
didn't find the D70's feel in my hands to be that much better than
the DRebel; the feel of a 10D is much better than either) However,
I REALLY LOVE my Canon lens and like my options when I'm worthy of
upgrading to better glass.

So to answer your question, it depends on the question behind the
question:
  • If the question is: which camera body is better, I'd say the D70
for quick power on times, zero shutter lag, and ability to
continously shoot until the CF card is full (i.e., D70 supports
fast writes to fast CF cards while the DRebel doesn't).
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So what is the shutter lag of the d70? I've heard the rebels is around 120 milliseconds.
MarcosV said:
  • If the question is: which camera/lens system to invest in long
term, I'd say Canon. I prefer Canon glass. I do like what I see
in Canon products. I'll probably buy the next 10D body when it
comes out.
  • Marcos
GREEN LATERN said:
Based on the review on this website, the D70 does have some pluses
over the Rebel, and I just wanted to hear from those who decided to
go with the Rebel.
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I think that it all depends on what you were born with and what you are used to using. My very first camera was a canon point and shoot 35mm film camera. I had it when I was 15 years old. Loved it and got to know if. But then again that is what was inroduced to and all I knew. Then I tried many other types of cameras from olympus, to kodak to nikon. I liked them all but Canon was my first born and first loved so that is why I am a Rebel user. I bought the rebel and use it everyday. I actually run a photography business with it and I get amazing shots with it. Any other user of a different brand will say the same but for thei choice of camera. If you are unhappy then fine, just find the camera that suits you and go with it. Dont come here and ***** about what is better. Find for yourself what you think is better and get enough courage to back it up. Be confident and use what you like.
 
..both had great image quality, are tuned to different default settings and varied mostly in flexibility and responsiveness.

Mostly good results depend on the person(s) involved. It turned out that the single best shot of the day came out of the Canon! It was a candid so luck and timing were a factor.

You can have fun and get good results with either, but by all means check them out in person at the same time.

AX
 
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