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E-10 vs S1pro
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Jason Busch
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Hey There,
Well, the S1 has dropped to almost-tempting levels ($2800), but just remember that it does NOT come with a lens. You have to get your own. And those are rather spendy and specific. I think there is a $200 rebate on a few lenses for the S1 (which gives you an idea of how expensive they are).
If you can afford it...do it.
I think I would be correct in saying that most people on this forum, don't wanna pay an extra $2000 for something that takes "better" pictures. The E-10 does a superb job in taking professional quality pictures, without the professional quality price tag. Of course, dishing out $1700 for an E-10 shouldn't be taken lightly either. I fugure most E-10 owners will fork out another $1000 for accessories on up. So, for $2800, you get an entire camera with accessories and lenses galore, but if you get the S1, you just bought yourself the stock camera. Now, you have to go out and spend another $1500 for lenses and probably more, because you don't want to skimp on lenses for a camera like the S1.
Either way, your selection is tops.
What it comes down to is what you can afford in the long run. Plan on spending $5000 for a moderately equipped S1. And I mean moderately equipped. I know guys who go out and purchase exotic cameras and have to sell them a few months later because they didn't think about what it takes to actually have a well-equipped camera arsenal.
I personally like the feel of the E-10. I've handled the S1, and it's different. Not that it's bad, but I guess I'm just used to Olympus styling and handling. The E-10 is fine for me because I don't have large hands. With the LiPo Battery Grip that I intend on getting in the next month, I foresee a perfect-fitting camera. Which is rare. Even guys with large hands like the LiPo grip.
Jason B
Well, the S1 has dropped to almost-tempting levels ($2800), but just remember that it does NOT come with a lens. You have to get your own. And those are rather spendy and specific. I think there is a $200 rebate on a few lenses for the S1 (which gives you an idea of how expensive they are).
If you can afford it...do it.
I think I would be correct in saying that most people on this forum, don't wanna pay an extra $2000 for something that takes "better" pictures. The E-10 does a superb job in taking professional quality pictures, without the professional quality price tag. Of course, dishing out $1700 for an E-10 shouldn't be taken lightly either. I fugure most E-10 owners will fork out another $1000 for accessories on up. So, for $2800, you get an entire camera with accessories and lenses galore, but if you get the S1, you just bought yourself the stock camera. Now, you have to go out and spend another $1500 for lenses and probably more, because you don't want to skimp on lenses for a camera like the S1.
Either way, your selection is tops.
What it comes down to is what you can afford in the long run. Plan on spending $5000 for a moderately equipped S1. And I mean moderately equipped. I know guys who go out and purchase exotic cameras and have to sell them a few months later because they didn't think about what it takes to actually have a well-equipped camera arsenal.
I personally like the feel of the E-10. I've handled the S1, and it's different. Not that it's bad, but I guess I'm just used to Olympus styling and handling. The E-10 is fine for me because I don't have large hands. With the LiPo Battery Grip that I intend on getting in the next month, I foresee a perfect-fitting camera. Which is rare. Even guys with large hands like the LiPo grip.
Jason B
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John Burns
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In addition to all your excellent reasons the S1 is just too slow for the type shooting I most enjoy.
John
John
Tom Conte
Leading Member
You know, I was tempted when I first looked. Then I read Phil's review and was turned off by the S1. In particular, the problem of dust on the imager seems to be even more problematic for the S1. Also, the image noise and the silly-high "minimum" ISO of 320 make the S1 a bad camera for the kinds of low light shooting that I do a lot of. Add to that that they built a $3000 camera on top of a $300ish Nikon N60, and then you can't really take the "pro" label seriously.
Tom
Tom
The S1 Pro is a heap of junk, or rather the chassis it is based on is.
It is a case of a fine camera ruined and the E10 is better than it in so many ways. Better in handling, feel, built quality, speed, intuitiveness and is much more of a camera all round.
The Fuji scores in image capture, quality, review, interchangeable lenses and ISO. It is however, clearly aimed at the amateur (right down to wearing a “PRO” tag) who wants images that can rival the real pros, the S1Pro can do this but the prehistoric chassis it’s based on is too much a price for me to pay.
As for output I have a few fruit bowl prints (but no files left after HD dead) of the Fuji while I had it – I recently did a side by side with the E10 and the CP990 and I can testify to the quality produced by both rivals that of the Fuji, especially the E10 (obviously).
A summation:
The CP990 is the undisputed Macro king.
The E10 is – what? Someone fill this blank in, please.
The S1(amateur) is the undisputed low light, available light king.
It is a case of a fine camera ruined and the E10 is better than it in so many ways. Better in handling, feel, built quality, speed, intuitiveness and is much more of a camera all round.
The Fuji scores in image capture, quality, review, interchangeable lenses and ISO. It is however, clearly aimed at the amateur (right down to wearing a “PRO” tag) who wants images that can rival the real pros, the S1Pro can do this but the prehistoric chassis it’s based on is too much a price for me to pay.
As for output I have a few fruit bowl prints (but no files left after HD dead) of the Fuji while I had it – I recently did a side by side with the E10 and the CP990 and I can testify to the quality produced by both rivals that of the Fuji, especially the E10 (obviously).
A summation:
The CP990 is the undisputed Macro king.
The E10 is – what? Someone fill this blank in, please.
The S1(amateur) is the undisputed low light, available light king.
T
TomJ
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Let's not forget the lens multiplier effect with the cameras like the S1. It's a double edge sword. If you like sports, nature photography and need the extra length afforded by the multiplier effect of each and every lens you put on the camera, this might sway you to the S1. Myself, I prefer the E-10's nice lens and the wide angle adapter which, though not terribly wide, gives you some wide angle options. You have to spend quite a bit to get that kind of wide angle coverage out of lenses for the S1.
Just my 2 cents'
TomJ
I like the silence of the E10.Shooting people in certain enviroments with the e10 is great. I just shot hundreds of classroom photographs at a college and having a quiet camera is so nice. Also very good for performance photography. With the E10 you can use the LCD panel too for composing shoots, not to mention the synch at any speed feature. As for image quality between the two cameras, I havent a clue as I have never used the S1. I know the build quality of the E10 is super. It was the camera for me as it fit in with much of what I do. Your mileage may vary.
Laurin
Laurin
francesco23997
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The E-10 body is a marvel of quality craftsmanship and intuitive design...
One major reason I even considered the S1 pro was the high ISO capability another was I thought maybe the autofocus system would be more advanced. I have played with the E-10 at the store and the Autofocus seemed satisfactory.. but no continuous autofocus for following action? has this hindered any of your experiences? All in All I'm very impressed with the feel and quality of the E-10.. the image quality I would not know untill I owned and played with it.
Thanks
baldy244
Thanks
baldy244
Baldy,
Don't forget the old adage: "You just cant beat cubic inches". This relates to the S1 resolution vs. the E-10. The high (artificial) resolution figures for the S1 are interpolated figures, whereas the E-10 is straight off the CCD.
Don't forget the old adage: "You just cant beat cubic inches". This relates to the S1 resolution vs. the E-10. The high (artificial) resolution figures for the S1 are interpolated figures, whereas the E-10 is straight off the CCD.
J
John Burns
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I've been thinking about your blank. The E-10 may not be the king of any particular category however it does an excellent job at most types of photography. So what is it? For now it is perhaps the camera to get if you shoot a variety and can only afford one camera.
John
John
On the auto focus -- so the S1 has the "apparently" superior AF system but it is so slow as to be confined to a focus assist when moving from object to object. The AF is driven from the camera!!!
As for tracking and especially anything coming at one - forget it - I had to resort to the trap focus technique -- you see it all come back down to the heap of junk that the S1 is built on -- this camera was a toy for the beginner - not anything advanced for the amateur or anything remotely useful - it was a beginner toy so they could sport the Nikon name and feel like real photographers.
At its targeted market it was eminently suited and has brought great joy to a great many – but Fuji now couple it with a sophisticated digital back and want the advanced amateur and even professionals to buy it – it has qualities – but the slow continuous focus will not do remotely anything like the F4 (even) or the F90/100 or F5.
Now an addendum to all the slow focus – there are very expensive motor driven lenses available but I’d be loath to match them to so lowly a camera – look towards the D1. The E10 is a fine camera and can even be fast enough to snatch oncoming objects – but not reliably enough to say this is a feature. I really think you need to look beyond both to the D1 or better (skip the D30 – which is much more what the Fuji should have been).
As for tracking and especially anything coming at one - forget it - I had to resort to the trap focus technique -- you see it all come back down to the heap of junk that the S1 is built on -- this camera was a toy for the beginner - not anything advanced for the amateur or anything remotely useful - it was a beginner toy so they could sport the Nikon name and feel like real photographers.
At its targeted market it was eminently suited and has brought great joy to a great many – but Fuji now couple it with a sophisticated digital back and want the advanced amateur and even professionals to buy it – it has qualities – but the slow continuous focus will not do remotely anything like the F4 (even) or the F90/100 or F5.
Now an addendum to all the slow focus – there are very expensive motor driven lenses available but I’d be loath to match them to so lowly a camera – look towards the D1. The E10 is a fine camera and can even be fast enough to snatch oncoming objects – but not reliably enough to say this is a feature. I really think you need to look beyond both to the D1 or better (skip the D30 – which is much more what the Fuji should have been).
i've tried both in studio and e10 feelt just like a (heavy) cheap p/s cam.
wouldn't say that s1 has so much better body, but still it's true slr with 'right' kinda feel to it.
i hated e10 shutter release button and overall camera lag, especially image processing and flushing speed.
i had 2500 and e10 felt just like a more advanced version of it, but what i really didn't like about 2500 had found its way into e10.
although e10's images have nice color balance and wider gamut compared to 2500 it looks like e10 has inherited image processing algo from 2500, it can easily be seen when u look closer into images - same messy shadows and random noise issue.
s1 has a solid feel (not a pro feel though), well balanced and feels good in hands.
AF is ok with good nikkor glass and not-so-fast studio shooting. It felt better than e10's AF and much better than d30's.
felt almost none shutter release lag and what i especially liked was the speed s1 flushed images down to 1gb md. of course it's not as good as D1 in that sense, but on the other hand it's not a pj cam anyway.
and images coming from s1 are very good, indeed. patterned low noise and absolutely great film like color cast - fuji knows how to deal with colour.
i think it's hard to compare e10 to s1 - they r just too different, that's why 2500 was mostly coming to my mind, major 2500 weaknesses have migrated to e10.
it would make more sense to compare s1 to d30, e10 plays on different ground.
now, when s1 costs about 1k more than e10 i think it's definitely worth it. personally i had no question choosing between e10 and s1, i even ditched d30 though i think it's a very good cam.
think of what u need a camera for, if it's amature day-to-day shooting of friends, relatives, pets and sunsets - e10 is fine. s1 is more robust and closer to pro type of shooting i think.
y.
wouldn't say that s1 has so much better body, but still it's true slr with 'right' kinda feel to it.
i hated e10 shutter release button and overall camera lag, especially image processing and flushing speed.
i had 2500 and e10 felt just like a more advanced version of it, but what i really didn't like about 2500 had found its way into e10.
although e10's images have nice color balance and wider gamut compared to 2500 it looks like e10 has inherited image processing algo from 2500, it can easily be seen when u look closer into images - same messy shadows and random noise issue.
s1 has a solid feel (not a pro feel though), well balanced and feels good in hands.
AF is ok with good nikkor glass and not-so-fast studio shooting. It felt better than e10's AF and much better than d30's.
felt almost none shutter release lag and what i especially liked was the speed s1 flushed images down to 1gb md. of course it's not as good as D1 in that sense, but on the other hand it's not a pj cam anyway.
and images coming from s1 are very good, indeed. patterned low noise and absolutely great film like color cast - fuji knows how to deal with colour.
i think it's hard to compare e10 to s1 - they r just too different, that's why 2500 was mostly coming to my mind, major 2500 weaknesses have migrated to e10.
it would make more sense to compare s1 to d30, e10 plays on different ground.
now, when s1 costs about 1k more than e10 i think it's definitely worth it. personally i had no question choosing between e10 and s1, i even ditched d30 though i think it's a very good cam.
think of what u need a camera for, if it's amature day-to-day shooting of friends, relatives, pets and sunsets - e10 is fine. s1 is more robust and closer to pro type of shooting i think.
y.
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Jaja
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Hello Ger,
Take a long walk before ...
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I'm leaving now for one - the sun is shining. Will be back later.
Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com
Take a long walk before ...
)) I'm leaving now for one - the sun is shining. Will be back later.
Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com
Hmm... Maybe I should just play with my 990 for a while and wait for the camera manufacturers to get their #it togather and stop toying with the consumers. They seem to be producing cameras with known faults only so they can use it as a marketing ploy when they produce the next camera in the line. I have played with the E-10 a couple times now and it felt good in my hands and the control layout was nice but its slowness seemed unacceptable for the price tag. The Fuji S1, I have to agree is built on a very cheap 35mm nikon body (N60, I believe it is)... I wouldn't buy the nikon 35mm body... so why should I pay that kind of price for the same body in a digital version? Same goes for the canon D30. I think the image quality is fine out of the three cameras I have listed above but that dosn't justify the price they are selling for. The more I search the more I get frustrated by the camera manufacturers. I think I will stick with the consumer level $1,000 dollars or less cameras , which seem to be the best bang for the buck.
Woke up on the wrong side of the bed!
baldy244
Woke up on the wrong side of the bed!
baldy244
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Frank B
Guest
I have the 990 and the E-10. The 990 is a fine camera, but the SLR design of the E-10 and the wonderful way it feels and handles has resulted in my retiring the 990. I don't regret for one minute the purchase of the E-10.
Frank B
Frank B
Gee, Yuran, why don't you really tell us how you feel about the E-10? Nuf' said, get yourself to the store and buy that S1 and be done with it! Hmmm, "overall camera lag"......, Me? I will go on shooting, how did you put it? "think of what u need a camera for, if it's amature day-to-day
shooting of friends, relatives, pets and sunsets - e10 is fine." (I just won't tell my commercial accounts I am using the E-10 for their work!) Regards, Jim
shooting of friends, relatives, pets and sunsets - e10 is fine." (I just won't tell my commercial accounts I am using the E-10 for their work!) Regards, Jim
Tom Conte
Leading Member
Thanks for your unbiased opinion!
Good luck with the basic N60 that the S1 is built around. The D1 is built around the F100, which even Nikon won't say is the same league as the N60.
Oh and then there's my favorite S1 shot:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis1pro/images/dirtyccd.jpg
(from Phil's review). Hmm, maybe the world isn't quite ready for interchangeable lens SLRs right yet.
Oh and someone please tell Jaja, Ger Bee, Robert Schultz, David Weikel, etc, etc., that their camera is just a prosumer piece of crap. That would explain those crappy images.
Whew.
Tom
Good luck with the basic N60 that the S1 is built around. The D1 is built around the F100, which even Nikon won't say is the same league as the N60.
Oh and then there's my favorite S1 shot:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis1pro/images/dirtyccd.jpg
(from Phil's review). Hmm, maybe the world isn't quite ready for interchangeable lens SLRs right yet.
Oh and someone please tell Jaja, Ger Bee, Robert Schultz, David Weikel, etc, etc., that their camera is just a prosumer piece of crap. That would explain those crappy images.
Whew.
Tom
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