MKII Setting the ISO Speed

.... well I think you will have a problem then.

Both the camera’s top section and the proximity of the buttons really rule out glove wearing, thought you might be able to activate both buttons with one finger, maybe the thumb is actually better, I’ve just tried it with thick working gloves, it works.

Now your snow gloves will be thicker again and you may need to remove the outer glove, maybe.

Actually, as I peruse the 1D with gloves it seem easier than some of the tiny controls the Nikon has, interesting, never thought of this before.

... think shaking as in the custom paint shaker when making up your own colours in a paint shop, don’t fit it where the paint tin goes.

And don’t put it in a tumble dryer and have it banging around inside when the light is on … OK.

Monty Pass said:

... think shaking as in the custom paint shaker when making up your
own colours in a paint shop, don’t fit it where the paint tin goes.

And don’t put it in a tumble dryer and have it banging around
inside when the light is on … OK.

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John-G said:

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

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How about if you're handholding said lenses? I wouldn't feel comfortable letting the mount take the full weight of the 200/1.8 on a regular basis.

I realise you'd want to use a tripod (or atleast a monopod) in this situation, but what if you for some reason is shooting a BWL 'au naturelle'?

In any case, I can see that the handstrap would become more useful too.. (I use the handstrap on my D60)

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santa

before wetting your panties and yelling stupid you may want to try it first. The two buttons are right next to each other and IMHO there is no difference in using one or two fingers to push these buttons.

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Just got mine last night. Played around with it for a little bit. I'm conditioning the battery first so I probably won't be able to really use it until tonight or tomorrow.

What I noticed was that the 1D Mark II has a lot of two button combos (or rather 1 button and 1 dial). I guess this is to ensure that you don't accidentally change something.

For example:

1. To scroll through the images during playback, you have to press and hold the 'select' button while turning the back dial.

2. To scroll through the menu tabs, you have to press and hold the 'menu' button while turning the back dial.

3. To scroll through menu items, you have to press and hold the 'select' button while turning the back dial.

You get the idea.

A bit of an inconvenience since I'm used to the 10D but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Now I need to figure out how to set the personal functions.

Joo

santa said:

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

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Joo said:

A bit of an inconvenience since I'm used to the 10D but I'm sure
I'll get used to it. Now I need to figure out how to set the
personal functions.

Joo

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... it is easier to connect to the PC.

BTW the modern approach to the battery conditioning is NOT to refresh immediately again. Use the battery between each refresh.

In fact conditioning the battery FIRST is falling out of favour and may actually shorten its service life. Canon recommend refreshing only when the service cycle reduces noticeably, a properly used battery will not need a refresh for a couple of months.

On my 1D, after three months my average SPC fell from 390 for No1 battery to just under 200. One refresh returned the service life cycle to normal. My No 1 battery has only been refreshed once in twelve months.

When I had this battery with my Nikon equipment, Nikon officially blamed the refresh routine 3x regime, for destroying the battery.

I personally don’t recommend a 3x refresh routine anymore and I have got 12 months from my Canon batteries and three to six months from my refreshed Nikon batteries, it’s enough personal evidence for me to stay away from 3x refresh for a new battery.

Correct. 98% of the time I am using a monopod with big lenses. But for times when I'm not I just let 'er hang straight down for a moment while I flick the switch. Sometimes you can even momentarily sit the lens right on it's hood. Basically, when I'm shooting and the ISO or DRIVE needs changed, I change it regardless of what it takes.

Rune Moberg said:

John-G said:

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

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How about if you're handholding said lenses? I wouldn't feel
comfortable letting the mount take the full weight of the 200/1.8
on a regular basis.

I realise you'd want to use a tripod (or atleast a monopod) in this
situation, but what if you for some reason is shooting a BWL 'au
naturelle'?

In any case, I can see that the handstrap would become more useful
too.. (I use the handstrap on my D60)

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There is no time delay window for the three big buttons on the top left. They are instant on/off.

greentoe said:

santa said:

I was afraid I was going to hear that after unexpected good news on
the diopter issue. karmic balance and all, I guess. stupid of
Canon. stupid stupid stupid. unbelievably stupid. oh well. I'm sure
I'll be able to manage but I'm also sure I will shake my head for
as long as I use it and when I'm hand holding a telephoto I'm sure
I'll curse that stupidity for a long time. did I mention, stupid?

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Canon has attempted to make the transition from film to digital as
straightforward as possible, so they kept quite a bit of the older
film body designs. Back then (remember the good old days?) it
made more sense.

BTW, you have a time window after pressing buttons where you can
release the button but still change the settings with either dial.
Also, check out if there are any personal functions or uploadable
changes where you can change that timer (some timers can be changed
from factory default.)

-gt

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Right-on ! Drain those batteries by taking pictures !!! Leave reconditioning via the charger for later in life. All that matters is you DRAIN the battery, how it gets drained doesn't matter.

Monty Pass said:

Monty Pass said:

A bit of an inconvenience since I'm used to the 10D but I'm sure
I'll get used to it. Now I need to figure out how to set the
personal functions.

Joo

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... it is easier to connect to the PC.

BTW the modern approach to the battery conditioning is NOT to
refresh immediately again. Use the battery between each refresh.

In fact conditioning the battery FIRST is falling out of favour and
may actually shorten its service life. Canon recommend refreshing
only when the service cycle reduces noticeably, a properly used
battery will not need a refresh for a couple of months.

On my 1D, after three months my average SPC fell from 390 for No1
battery to just under 200. One refresh returned the service life
cycle to normal. My No 1 battery has only been refreshed once in
twelve months.

When I had this battery with my Nikon equipment, Nikon officially
blamed the refresh routine 3x regime, for destroying the battery.

I personally don’t recommend a 3x refresh routine anymore and I
have got 12 months from my Canon batteries and three to six months
from my refreshed Nikon batteries, it’s enough personal evidence
for me to stay away from 3x refresh for a new battery.

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Teski said:

From my
understanding, they want to make it more difficult to have
accidental changes so they do the two button thing.
Teski

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My sources tell me that the forthcoming 1DSII is going to be using three buttons on most functions. These pros, ya know, are awfully accident prone.

-Neal Martin

Not for long periods but moments of transition and when setting various functions like ISO. It is not a big deal really.

Steve

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I don't have any problem letting the mount of my EOS-1D take the
weight of a 7-8 lb lens like a 300 f/2.8 or a 200 f/1.8 while I
make some adjustment to the camera. The mount is plenty
strong enough for it. When I'm using my 400 f/2.8 and not
using a monopod, I hold the camera downwards or mostly
downwards to keep the twisting force off the mount when
I am not supporting the lens by its mount tripod. The lens
mount is plenty strong enough to hang the lens from, but
I avoid putting the full bending weight of 14 lbs on the mount.

Handholding a 7-8 lb lens is easy, especially if you are
shooting from a kneeling or sitting position looking down at
something ... I was shooting some whitewater kayaking from
rocks by the water this weekend, and shot about 500 frames
mostly handheld with 300 f/2.8 and a 1.4x TC. I use the
handstrap, adjusted about as tightly as is comfortable.

-joseph

Rune Moberg said:

John-G said:

I use 300/2.8, 70-200/2.8, 100-400, 200/1.8 and trust me, it is no
problem... at all.

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How about if you're handholding said lenses? I wouldn't feel
comfortable letting the mount take the full weight of the 200/1.8
on a regular basis.

I realise you'd want to use a tripod (or atleast a monopod) in this
situation, but what if you for some reason is shooting a BWL 'au
naturelle'?

In any case, I can see that the handstrap would become more useful
too.. (I use the handstrap on my D60)

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Man this really pisses me of stupid CANON

Why can't I control everything on my new MK II with my voice! Why are you doing this to me? Why? Why?

Anyone want a brand new MK II for 4500$??

Daniel.J

santa said:

Do I understand this correctly from pg 47 of the manual, that in
order to change the ISO speed you have to press two buttons at the
same time on the left side of the camera? So I"m holding my
telephoto lens and I have to press two buttons on the left side of
the camera in order to change the ISO? I'm hoping there is some
custom setting that will allow me to map another button or
something. This is the second thing that smacks me as not-so-bright
in terms of the ergonomics of the buttons. If there is some
workaround please let me know. (but please don't bother listing
reasons why this is just fine or why a person shouldn't care )
I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who changes his ISO
relatively often and would prefer to be able to access that
function with greater ease than needing to press two buttons at the
same time prior to making an adjustment. Hopefully the solution to
this will be as simple as my previous question.

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He can use his glove liners ... not a big deal. They are
almost as nimble as bare fingers. Not quite, but close.
Meanwhile they are OK for exposure to pretty chilly weather,
or at least that's my experience from Fairbanks, -55F,
et cetera.

There'll be a lot more in the way of trouble with battery
life, condensation, things refusing to work, and so on.

-joseph

Monty Pass said:

.... well I think you will have a problem then.

Both the camera’s top section and the proximity of the buttons
really rule out glove wearing, thought you might be able to
activate both buttons with one finger, maybe the thumb is actually
better, I’ve just tried it with thick working gloves, it works.

Now your snow gloves will be thicker again and you may need to
remove the outer glove, maybe.

Actually, as I peruse the 1D with gloves it seem easier than some
of the tiny controls the Nikon has, interesting, never thought of
this before.

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Steven Noyes said:

Not for long periods but moments of transition and when setting
various functions like ISO. It is not a big deal really.

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I've been paying attention to the photogs in the background in media events, and I've noticed lots of white lenses dangling precariously from digital bodies. Although I'm in the "avoid it if you can" camp, I am also a periodic dangler.

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What people often fail to consider is that THEIR shooting needs are not MY shooting needs. After 35 years of SLR photography, and 20 years of living in the sub Arctic, I'm confident I have a better grasp of my photography needs in terms of equipment than you, regardless of your experience with the 1D. After you go out for a day of photography at -35F and try spinning dials and pressing buttons with three pairs of gloves, and after you take your outer gloves off for the tenth time and realize your thumb is getting frozen - again - after you do that a few times I'll be glad to hear how I'm just wetting my panties.

I'll live with it and it won't be the biggest issue in my life, guaranteed. But I also know I won't like it much today or tomorrow. IHMO it's a stupid design flaw that makes changing ISO on a very expensive camera harder than changing ISO on my current little 10D.Nothing more nothing less,. Just stupid from MY perspective and that's the only one that means anything to me. It's April 27 and my yard still is half covered in snow. My world and your world are worlds apart. gotta run now and change those panties again because whatever the situation is, I'll learn to cope with it even if I don't like it. I just bring extra panties with me. LOL

PalmsWestPhoto said:

santa

before wetting your panties and yelling stupid you may want to try
it first. The two buttons are right next to each other and IMHO
there is no difference in using one or two fingers to push these
buttons.

--
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http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

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In my opinion this is SMART, SMART, SMART of Canon. Since about 90% of my work is done in manual mode with an external meter the last thing I need is the ISO to change on me when I don't want it to. I have enough of a problem with that in the shutter speed and apature. It is very easy to change things by accident when only one button needs to be pushed. Pushing two buttons on the 1Ds to change the ISO is easy to do with one finger. I do it all the time holding a telephoto lens - even at -25 F with mittens on.

santa wrote:
. stupid of

santa said:

Canon. stupid stupid stupid. unbelievably stupid. oh well. I'm sure
I'll be able to manage but I'm also sure I will shake my head for
as long as I use it and when I'm hand holding a telephoto I'm sure
I'll curse that stupidity for a long time. did I mention, stupid?

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Daniel said:

Why can't I control everything on my new MK II with my voice! Why
are you doing this to me? Why? Why?

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Theoretically, if you just yell hard and long enough, then I'm sure you'll be able to budge buttons and even roll some wheels. Give it a try! :-D

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Santa

actually with gloves you'd have a hard time pushing just one of these buttons anyway so it seems canon designed it just for you ;-) if you had to just push one of them you may not be able to do this.

BTW i grew up in snow so i know what it is and i shoot with gloves even in florida (ice skating events).

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