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SEX Magnet. Buy it and the back and front get focussed.
Oh, here's some samples back during my D100 days (before it got
stolen, d@mn theives). I was getting sharp results with this camera
and I'm confident the D70 won't be any different:
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fotogenetic
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The image was taken with a D70. Nikon doesn't use the DIGIC processor. With the right settings and lighting, you can get the same"dreamlike quality" that you attribute to Canon.
The dreamlike quality you see is simply creamier tonality. Nikon is harsher in tonality.
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The dreamlike quality you see is simply creamier tonality. Nikon is harsher in tonality.
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fotogenetic
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What exactly do you see with your eyes? Do you see what a camera sees? Or does your pupil dilate and close up as you scan a scene, with your brain piecing together the non-continous tonalities as one continuous scene?
No camera can produce what we truly see. We don't even see what our eyes see. We see with our brains, not our eyes.
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No camera can produce what we truly see. We don't even see what our eyes see. We see with our brains, not our eyes.
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fotogenetic
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This image represents exactly what I "saw" one day:
No camera, not even a Canon with its DIGIC processor could capture this in a single click except possibly with a gradual neutral density filter. It is a blend of two exposures. It actually encompasses about 10 stops of dynamic range without any loss of contrast (impossible in a single capture). The top portion is also a slightly different white balance than the bottom portion. Our brain also adapts to different color balances in light.
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No camera, not even a Canon with its DIGIC processor could capture this in a single click except possibly with a gradual neutral density filter. It is a blend of two exposures. It actually encompasses about 10 stops of dynamic range without any loss of contrast (impossible in a single capture). The top portion is also a slightly different white balance than the bottom portion. Our brain also adapts to different color balances in light.
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fotogenetic
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Trust me, you are judging images from people who are still getting to know the camera. The same thing was being said about the D100 2 years ago when it first came out. Now that people know how to use their D100s, there's tons of awesome photos from the D100.
The fact that at least one photographer who knows what he is doing can get good photos from the camera is all that is needed. If you want a camera that takes good pictures no matter who the photographer is, well, sorry, you're out of luck.
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Bakman_29
Senior Member
You are so correct. It is all about the photographer. When the composition is perfect, you won't hear anyone complain about colors or sharpness. If a photo gives you a certain feeling (emotional or whatever), then you can say it is a good photo.
IMO it is all b*ll to sit around and talk and compare colors of a D70/300D/10D. I use a 10D and I can make the colors the same as your Nikon, especially with RAW. Fact remains though, if it is a bad photo (in terms of composition) the colors and sharpness don't add any value, whether it came from a D70 or 300D.
All the comparison threads I read here only come back with one image, which is the one from albertho. Come on guys don't you have one picture that can come close to that image ??? The colors and sharpness look nice, but I don't hear anyone talking about composition.......simply just a snapshot that came out nice and crisp.
Buy a book and learn about compositions and light/shadows, it will help you much more than comparing 2 cameras, which, in the right hands (it could be you) do the same thing.
btw I like the D70, and if I hadn't invested into canon lenses, I might have bougth it too.
These come from my 10D
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I own both... I love both... but I prefer one of them. Guess which...
(And come on people, don't come up with "but this isn't credible because..." "you should have...." These are my own test shots! Both at Iso200, everything standart, A Mode, F8, Kitlens vs. 28-105 USM Canon, all right out of the box without USM nothing... just croped or resized!)
Look at the metering... what a difference!
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
(And come on people, don't come up with "but this isn't credible because..." "you should have...." These are my own test shots! Both at Iso200, everything standart, A Mode, F8, Kitlens vs. 28-105 USM Canon, all right out of the box without USM nothing... just croped or resized!)
Look at the metering... what a difference!
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
Bakman_29
Senior Member
And look at the flowers... what a difference !
Here you have it, everyone saying that the D70 colors look like "velvia" and "look real".....i don't see any substancial evidence here....10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
Again, a useless "comparison" test....
Go out and shoot some pictures and have fun with either camera.
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yes... some will say "you should have put down exposure manually..." no my friends, this is standart as I said and where would be the speed advantage of the D70 if I would have to set exposure manually for a shot like this? These are snapshots and I don't look at the histogramm in snapshots... So that flower shot would be blown...
The same thing with the banana in my gallery...
'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
The same thing with the banana in my gallery...
--And look at the flowers... what a difference !
Here you have it, everyone saying that the D70 colors look like10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
"velvia" and "look real".....i don't see any substancial evidence
here....
Again, a useless "comparison" test....
Go out and shoot some pictures and have fun with either camera.
BaKMaN
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FrancisCF
Leading Member
The 10D is a bit under and the D70 is a bit over.
Each camera has its own characteristics even at default. The owner should customize his own default setting to obtain best result.
I've heard D100 and D70 tends to under espose, how come your pics come out over exposed in the flower and banana shots?
In the car shot, 10D get a bit hotter than the D70, just curious how come the inconsistent results?
You test is in a question for comparison.
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Each camera has its own characteristics even at default. The owner should customize his own default setting to obtain best result.
I've heard D100 and D70 tends to under espose, how come your pics come out over exposed in the flower and banana shots?
In the car shot, 10D get a bit hotter than the D70, just curious how come the inconsistent results?
You test is in a question for comparison.
--The same thing with the banana in my gallery...
--And look at the flowers... what a difference !
Here you have it, everyone saying that the D70 colors look like10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
"velvia" and "look real".....i don't see any substancial evidence
here....
Again, a useless "comparison" test....
Go out and shoot some pictures and have fun with either camera.
BaKMaN
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'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
A good photo is better than thousand words!
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Russell Whyman
Leading Member
Hi
Just to check out what you said I saved the image and opened it in Nikon Browser:
Nikon D70 shot
RAW (12 bit)
Colour Mode 1a (sRGB)
Sharpening Medium Low
etc.
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there it is again...
I really don't care about other people's cameras or what people heard about a camera... these are mine and on standart these are the results. I don't heard something but shot those pics myself... of course the results are inconsistent: it's called metering! Nikon 3d-matrix vs. Canon evaluative metering. I'm sure if that flower had another color the result would have been not the same... red isn't the D70's favourite color...
What was interessting too was the shutterspeed: most of the time the canon was faster at f8 iso200 but sometimes the nikon was faster... I think canon's iso 200 is kind of higher compared to nikon's.
Again, I own both, and paid for both and I don't want to proof that either camera is better or worse... just different! Both are great cameras (mine are without any focus issues if I do the testing in a decent way)
'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
I really don't care about other people's cameras or what people heard about a camera... these are mine and on standart these are the results. I don't heard something but shot those pics myself... of course the results are inconsistent: it's called metering! Nikon 3d-matrix vs. Canon evaluative metering. I'm sure if that flower had another color the result would have been not the same... red isn't the D70's favourite color...
What was interessting too was the shutterspeed: most of the time the canon was faster at f8 iso200 but sometimes the nikon was faster... I think canon's iso 200 is kind of higher compared to nikon's.
Again, I own both, and paid for both and I don't want to proof that either camera is better or worse... just different! Both are great cameras (mine are without any focus issues if I do the testing in a decent way)
--Each camera has its own characteristics even at default. The owner
should customize his own default setting to obtain best result.
I've heard D100 and D70 tends to under espose, how come your pics
come out over exposed in the flower and banana shots?
In the car shot, 10D get a bit hotter than the D70, just curious
how come the inconsistent results?
You test is in a question for comparison.
--The same thing with the banana in my gallery...
--And look at the flowers... what a difference !
Here you have it, everyone saying that the D70 colors look like10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
"velvia" and "look real".....i don't see any substancial evidence
here....
Again, a useless "comparison" test....
Go out and shoot some pictures and have fun with either camera.
BaKMaN
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http://www.digitallyactive.com
'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
A good photo is better than thousand words!
http://www.hkdotnet.com
'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
RomanJohnston
Forum Pro
If you own neither....what makes you think you can talk about EITHER?
It's bad enough when a person owns one and compares it to another camera he/she has never touched.....but if you don't own either....hummmm.
You have NO idea about post processing on the photos you have seen...you have no idea about lenses....there are oooohhhh...about 15 bazillian variables you have no idea about......
So that makes your opinion.....well.....a moot point.
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McErono,
In the wheel crops, the d70 seems to show the wheel with a slight greenish hue. Since you were there, which camera do you think captures more true colors? Not just in that sample, but generally? Thanks.
In the wheel crops, the d70 seems to show the wheel with a slight greenish hue. Since you were there, which camera do you think captures more true colors? Not just in that sample, but generally? Thanks.
I own both... I love both... but I prefer one of them. Guess which...
(And come on people, don't come up with "but this isn't credible
because..." "you should have...." These are my own test shots! Both
at Iso200, everything standart, A Mode, F8, Kitlens vs. 28-105 USM
Canon, all right out of the box without USM nothing... just croped
or resized!)
Look at the metering... what a difference!
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
The 10D is most of the time almost perfect in color rendering. But I am sure you can tweak the D70 to get much closer to real colors. I would even say that the Kitlens has an effect aswell... my nikkor prime 50mm 1.8 shows colors much more accurate. But it's not true what some people say about "real" nikon colors and "plastic" looking canon pics imo. It was early evening and everthing is getting kind of redish at that time... not greenish like the D70 shows. Look at the building wall and the banana in my gallery
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
some canonians put the parameters for color saturation and stuff just to high (called parameter 2 on the 300D) and I don't like those settings at all... it causes to much contrast and magenta like blue skies imo.
Again for the money, the D70 is a very, very impressive camera!
'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
some canonians put the parameters for color saturation and stuff just to high (called parameter 2 on the 300D) and I don't like those settings at all... it causes to much contrast and magenta like blue skies imo.
Again for the money, the D70 is a very, very impressive camera!
--I own both... I love both... but I prefer one of them. Guess which...
(And come on people, don't come up with "but this isn't credible
because..." "you should have...." These are my own test shots! Both
at Iso200, everything standart, A Mode, F8, Kitlens vs. 28-105 USM
Canon, all right out of the box without USM nothing... just croped
or resized!)
Look at the metering... what a difference!
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
'If you don't understand my English let's talk French or German...'
A. Michael T.
Forum Enthusiast
Why are you so in denial?... Is it a phase you are going through or what?...
Many of you seem to forget that the body is just a piece of junk without the right glasses. This picture was shot using one of Nikon's finest lenses: the 85mm/1.4D, which is renowned by Nikonians AND Canon shooters! The dreamlike quality is because of its outstanding bokeh capabilities, and has NOTHING to do with the body. The 10D can't do any better, because Canon just doesn't have the glass to match the Nikon 85mm/1.4D. Canon does have superb quality glass also, though.
I keep telling people not to concentrate on stupid issues like noise, which is a characteristic of the body (sensor), yet the thing that really determines you pictures quality is GLASS. Put a piece of junk glass on the 1D, and it will never make better pictures than the D70 with its kit lens. Any (semi)pro knows that. Just as simple as that. Why else do you think the 85mm/1.4D costs as much as a D70 with kit lens?
So, can we please get back to real issues now?
Many of you seem to forget that the body is just a piece of junk without the right glasses. This picture was shot using one of Nikon's finest lenses: the 85mm/1.4D, which is renowned by Nikonians AND Canon shooters! The dreamlike quality is because of its outstanding bokeh capabilities, and has NOTHING to do with the body. The 10D can't do any better, because Canon just doesn't have the glass to match the Nikon 85mm/1.4D. Canon does have superb quality glass also, though.
I keep telling people not to concentrate on stupid issues like noise, which is a characteristic of the body (sensor), yet the thing that really determines you pictures quality is GLASS. Put a piece of junk glass on the 1D, and it will never make better pictures than the D70 with its kit lens. Any (semi)pro knows that. Just as simple as that. Why else do you think the 85mm/1.4D costs as much as a D70 with kit lens?
So, can we please get back to real issues now?
RecalcitrantRon
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I've noticed that as well. I wonder why?
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http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
some canonians put the parameters for color saturation and stuff
just to high (called parameter 2 on the 300D) and I don't like
those settings at all... it causes to much contrast and magenta
like blue skies imo.
Again for the money, the D70 is a very, very impressive camera!
--I own both... I love both... but I prefer one of them. Guess which...
(And come on people, don't come up with "but this isn't credible
because..." "you should have...." These are my own test shots! Both
at Iso200, everything standart, A Mode, F8, Kitlens vs. 28-105 USM
Canon, all right out of the box without USM nothing... just croped
or resized!)
Look at the metering... what a difference!
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
10D:
D70:
10D 100% crop:
D70 100% crop:
http://www.pbase.com/mcerono/10d_vs_d70_test&page=all
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Parsons
Well-known member
No denial. I think both cameras are great. It was just a judgement call. As for glass and photo quality, you are correct- WITH TRADITIONAL SLRs!!! With digital imaging anyone (professional or not) knows that the sensor in the body has just as much to do with quality pics than does the glass. If you use one of the earlier Kodak DSLRs with the 85 1.4, do you really thing you are going to get the same quality as with the D70?
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