1D MkII Photos Are Definitely Soft !!!

AllenGC said:

I am seriously considering returning the MK2 and getting my 1d
back.

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aska said:

Teski said:

If you are right in the middle of something during the wedding and
are close to running out of space on your CF, having that 512MB or
1GB SD card in there will be really helpful. Don't need to stop
and fiddle around. It's all preference though.

Teski

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AllenGC said:

I wasn't initially happy with the focusing of my 10d. I learnt its
limitations and have got some fabulous images from it.

I didn't like the noise in the 1d images initially, and would still
prefer it wasn't so bad, but I love the instant and accurate
focusing. The only getting used to needed with the 1d was the
noise. Please remember we have very bad light here in the UK during
the winter.

The 300d which I only bought 3 weeks ago is so easy to use and the
images are amazing from it. I knew before I left the shop with it
that it was going to be my take anywhere camera. It is lighter than
the others and less expensive, but so far so reliable, and anyone
who sneers at the 10d or 300d can do so, it is their right.

If one has an eye, one can immediately see what is good or bad.

I didn't say I was an expert though! I was voicing concern.

Regards,

Allen.

Teski said:

I have been dissapointed with every DSLR I've owned at
first...D100, S2, and 10D...Even the 1D for a bit but that one was
easier to adjust to.

Teski

AllenGC said:

I have had a MK2 since yesterday, and I am a little worried over
the quality of the images it produces, I am so glad to see that I
am not alone.

I also use a 300d, which I have only had for 3 weeks, and the
images are amazing considering the limitations of the camera
functions. Moreover, the 300d focuses accurately 99% of the time
which my MK2 isn't doing. I may of course have a duff one.

I am seriously considering returning the MK2 and getting my 1d
back. What I can't do with the 1d, I can do with the 10d and 300d,
and the 1d is more than fast enough for me, and as I remember, was
for everyone else before the MK2 was introduced.

Regards,

Allen.

Tom Piotrowski said:

I have been now shooting for two days with Canon 1D MkII and
confirm that the photos are significantly softer than from number
of other Canon DSLRs. I owe 1Ds, 300D and have been using D30, D60
and 10D in the past. I compare softness of images from 1D MkII to
those from early D30. Yes... it appears to me that in tradeoff of
some incredible smoothing (1D MkII images are silky smooth) the
overall sharpness is compromised.

For your information, I use "L " lenses only, mostly primes, take
pictures in RAW format using Adobe RGB colour space and process
them with quality RAW converters - C1 Pro DSLR being my number one
choice. At present C1Pro DSLR does not support 1D MkII hence for
the images shot in past two days I used Canon's Digital Photo
Professional that came with the camera and as of today Adobe Camera
Raw 2.2

There is an option in 1D MkII to set the level of internal
sharpening. For the moment I have this sharpening switched off.

I must admit that I am bit concerned about softness of 1D MkII
images, as sharpening them in Photoshop does not bring the same
result I used to get from 1Ds or even 300D. Canon 300D images
appear to me much crisper than those of 1D MkII.

Regards

Tom Piotrowski

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Peter Gregg said:

Tom,

Why did you buy the 1D MKII? Are you a professional photographer or
are you a photography hobbyist?

The game of seeing what camera can produce the sharpest picture
straight out of the camera is a game that is played here a lot, but
it is a stupid game. The professional cameras are intentionally
designed to target some type of a goal.

I don't know why I waste my time explaining this. The rules that
come from consumer cameras don't apply here. The finished product,
or the print, must be arrived at. Attaching your camera by a USB
cable to a printer and expecting finished prints is ludicrous. The
1D MKII has a USB 1.1 printing port for proofing.

You know, the Hasselblads and the likes have a Polaroid back to
take a proof print. That Polaroid snapshot is not the finished
print, and neither is the print when it is straight out of the
camera.

If your prints are not sharpening correctly, then learn how to
sharpen, don't blame the camera. If you can't sharpen a print to
look like what you want, and you can't USM correctly, then buy a
sharpening program that will do it for you.

No, it is ridiculous to take a print out of the camera and compare
it to anything else. It isn't finished. Comparing how sharp a print
is out of the MKII with the 1Ds isn't fair. Each of those files
need to be sharpened differently. Why does Fred Miranda make a
sharpening action for each of the DSLR cameras. Stupid Fred, I
guess he though it best to make the correct sharpening action that
will work best for the individual cameras because he wants top
crafted prints.

So, when you say hey the prints of the MKII are not that sharp, I
say SO WHAT. The 1D has a weaker AA filter, the files will
automatically come out of that camera sharper, don't pass go, don't
collect $200, they will be sharper because that is the nature of
that camera. The nature of this camera will have it's own look,
sharpness, strengths and weaknesses just like each of your children
will.

These aren't consumer digital cameras. The rules of that game is to
get a FINISHED PRINT RIGHT OUT OF THE CAMERA. Those rules are
different here. Here we deal with pixel size, dynamic range, color
response but NOT SHARPNESS. You do that yourself.

I think that too many people will be buying the 1D MKII thinking
they are getting a "top camera". You are buying the equivalent of a
Hasselblad. You do your own thinking and your own finishing of the
picture. If you want the sharpest out of the camera picture buy an
Olympus 8080 with it's 8mp sensor. That camera is DESIGNED to give
SHARP out of camera pictures. The MKII is NOT designed to give you
sharp out of camera pictures. It is designed for less noise, more
dynamic range, more information in the picture and THEN you do your
own sharpening.

I think the new 10D MKII or whatever they will call it will be more
the camera for a lot of folks. I think we are going to see a lot of
MKII cameras on Ebay in about 4 or 5 months with people saying
"this is more camera than I need." And they will be right. The MKII
is like a Hasselblad. It is a high end workhorse designed for the
pro, not for the Disneyland circuit (although I definitely plan to
take it to Disney).

So, buy yourself a sharpener like FocalBlade, Photokit, or wait
until Fred Miranda releases his sharpening action set for the MKII.
And DON'T but his generic one, buy the one designed specifically
for the mark II sensor. I bet he has it out in about a month.
--
Peter Gregg

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David Martin said:

Were those jpegs or RAWs, Iliah?

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aska said:

Tom Piotrowski said:

I have been now shooting for two days with Canon 1D MkII and

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Peter Gregg said:

Tom,

Why did you buy the 1D MKII? Are you a professional photographer or
are you a photography hobbyist?

The game of seeing what camera can produce the sharpest picture
straight out of the camera is a game that is played here a lot, but
it is a stupid game. The professional cameras are intentionally
designed to target some type of a goal.

I don't know why I waste my time explaining this. The rules that
come from consumer cameras don't apply here. The finished product,
or the print, must be arrived at. Attaching your camera by a USB
cable to a printer and expecting finished prints is ludicrous. The
1D MKII has a USB 1.1 printing port for proofing.

You know, the Hasselblads and the likes have a Polaroid back to
take a proof print. That Polaroid snapshot is not the finished
print, and neither is the print when it is straight out of the
camera.

If your prints are not sharpening correctly, then learn how to
sharpen, don't blame the camera. If you can't sharpen a print to
look like what you want, and you can't USM correctly, then buy a
sharpening program that will do it for you.

No, it is ridiculous to take a print out of the camera and compare
it to anything else. It isn't finished. Comparing how sharp a print
is out of the MKII with the 1Ds isn't fair. Each of those files
need to be sharpened differently. Why does Fred Miranda make a
sharpening action for each of the DSLR cameras. Stupid Fred, I
guess he though it best to make the correct sharpening action that
will work best for the individual cameras because he wants top
crafted prints.

So, when you say hey the prints of the MKII are not that sharp, I
say SO WHAT. The 1D has a weaker AA filter, the files will
automatically come out of that camera sharper, don't pass go, don't
collect $200, they will be sharper because that is the nature of
that camera. The nature of this camera will have it's own look,
sharpness, strengths and weaknesses just like each of your children
will.

These aren't consumer digital cameras. The rules of that game is to
get a FINISHED PRINT RIGHT OUT OF THE CAMERA. Those rules are
different here. Here we deal with pixel size, dynamic range, color
response but NOT SHARPNESS. You do that yourself.

I think that too many people will be buying the 1D MKII thinking
they are getting a "top camera". You are buying the equivalent of a
Hasselblad. You do your own thinking and your own finishing of the
picture. If you want the sharpest out of the camera picture buy an
Olympus 8080 with it's 8mp sensor. That camera is DESIGNED to give
SHARP out of camera pictures. The MKII is NOT designed to give you
sharp out of camera pictures. It is designed for less noise, more
dynamic range, more information in the picture and THEN you do your
own sharpening.

I think the new 10D MKII or whatever they will call it will be more
the camera for a lot of folks. I think we are going to see a lot of
MKII cameras on Ebay in about 4 or 5 months with people saying
"this is more camera than I need." And they will be right. The MKII
is like a Hasselblad. It is a high end workhorse designed for the
pro, not for the Disneyland circuit (although I definitely plan to
take it to Disney).

So, buy yourself a sharpener like FocalBlade, Photokit, or wait
until Fred Miranda releases his sharpening action set for the MKII.
And DON'T but his generic one, buy the one designed specifically
for the mark II sensor. I bet he has it out in about a month.
--
Peter Gregg

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Tom Piotrowski said:

I have been now shooting for two days with Canon 1D MkII and
confirm that the photos are significantly softer than from number
of other Canon DSLRs. I owe 1Ds, 300D and have been using D30, D60
and 10D in the past. I compare softness of images from 1D MkII to
those from early D30. Yes... it appears to me that in tradeoff of
some incredible smoothing (1D MkII images are silky smooth) the
overall sharpness is compromised.

For your information, I use "L " lenses only, mostly primes, take
pictures in RAW format using Adobe RGB colour space and process
them with quality RAW converters - C1 Pro DSLR being my number one
choice. At present C1Pro DSLR does not support 1D MkII hence for
the images shot in past two days I used Canon's Digital Photo
Professional that came with the camera and as of today Adobe Camera
Raw 2.2

There is an option in 1D MkII to set the level of internal
sharpening. For the moment I have this sharpening switched off.

I must admit that I am bit concerned about softness of 1D MkII
images, as sharpening them in Photoshop does not bring the same
result I used to get from 1Ds or even 300D. Canon 300D images
appear to me much crisper than those of 1D MkII.

Regards

Tom Piotrowski

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AllenGC said:

I wasn't initially happy with the focusing of my 10d. I learnt its
limitations and have got some fabulous images from it.

I didn't like the noise in the 1d images initially, and would still
prefer it wasn't so bad, but I love the instant and accurate
focusing. The only getting used to needed with the 1d was the
noise. Please remember we have very bad light here in the UK during
the winter.

The 300d which I only bought 3 weeks ago is so easy to use and the
images are amazing from it. I knew before I left the shop with it
that it was going to be my take anywhere camera. It is lighter than
the others and less expensive, but so far so reliable, and anyone
who sneers at the 10d or 300d can do so, it is their right.

If one has an eye, one can immediately see what is good or bad.

I didn't say I was an expert though! I was voicing concern.

Regards,

Allen.

Teski said:

I have been dissapointed with every DSLR I've owned at
first...D100, S2, and 10D...Even the 1D for a bit but that one was
easier to adjust to.

Teski

AllenGC said:

I have had a MK2 since yesterday, and I am a little worried over
the quality of the images it produces, I am so glad to see that I
am not alone.

I also use a 300d, which I have only had for 3 weeks, and the
images are amazing considering the limitations of the camera
functions. Moreover, the 300d focuses accurately 99% of the time
which my MK2 isn't doing. I may of course have a duff one.

I am seriously considering returning the MK2 and getting my 1d
back. What I can't do with the 1d, I can do with the 10d and 300d,
and the 1d is more than fast enough for me, and as I remember, was
for everyone else before the MK2 was introduced.

Regards,

Allen.

Tom Piotrowski said:

I have been now shooting for two days with Canon 1D MkII and
confirm that the photos are significantly softer than from number
of other Canon DSLRs. I owe 1Ds, 300D and have been using D30, D60
and 10D in the past. I compare softness of images from 1D MkII to
those from early D30. Yes... it appears to me that in tradeoff of
some incredible smoothing (1D MkII images are silky smooth) the
overall sharpness is compromised.

For your information, I use "L " lenses only, mostly primes, take
pictures in RAW format using Adobe RGB colour space and process
them with quality RAW converters - C1 Pro DSLR being my number one
choice. At present C1Pro DSLR does not support 1D MkII hence for
the images shot in past two days I used Canon's Digital Photo
Professional that came with the camera and as of today Adobe Camera
Raw 2.2

There is an option in 1D MkII to set the level of internal
sharpening. For the moment I have this sharpening switched off.

I must admit that I am bit concerned about softness of 1D MkII
images, as sharpening them in Photoshop does not bring the same
result I used to get from 1Ds or even 300D. Canon 300D images
appear to me much crisper than those of 1D MkII.

Regards

Tom Piotrowski

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Peter Gregg said:

Tom,

Why did you buy the 1D MKII? Are you a professional photographer or
are you a photography hobbyist?

The game of seeing what camera can produce the sharpest picture
straight out of the camera is a game that is played here a lot, but
it is a stupid game. The professional cameras are intentionally
designed to target some type of a goal.

I don't know why I waste my time explaining this. The rules that
come from consumer cameras don't apply here. The finished product,
or the print, must be arrived at. Attaching your camera by a USB
cable to a printer and expecting finished prints is ludicrous. The
1D MKII has a USB 1.1 printing port for proofing.

You know, the Hasselblads and the likes have a Polaroid back to
take a proof print. That Polaroid snapshot is not the finished
print, and neither is the print when it is straight out of the
camera.

If your prints are not sharpening correctly, then learn how to
sharpen, don't blame the camera. If you can't sharpen a print to
look like what you want, and you can't USM correctly, then buy a
sharpening program that will do it for you.

No, it is ridiculous to take a print out of the camera and compare
it to anything else. It isn't finished. Comparing how sharp a print
is out of the MKII with the 1Ds isn't fair. Each of those files
need to be sharpened differently. Why does Fred Miranda make a
sharpening action for each of the DSLR cameras. Stupid Fred, I
guess he though it best to make the correct sharpening action that
will work best for the individual cameras because he wants top
crafted prints.

So, when you say hey the prints of the MKII are not that sharp, I
say SO WHAT. The 1D has a weaker AA filter, the files will
automatically come out of that camera sharper, don't pass go, don't
collect $200, they will be sharper because that is the nature of
that camera. The nature of this camera will have it's own look,
sharpness, strengths and weaknesses just like each of your children
will.

These aren't consumer digital cameras. The rules of that game is to
get a FINISHED PRINT RIGHT OUT OF THE CAMERA. Those rules are
different here. Here we deal with pixel size, dynamic range, color
response but NOT SHARPNESS. You do that yourself.

I think that too many people will be buying the 1D MKII thinking
they are getting a "top camera". You are buying the equivalent of a
Hasselblad. You do your own thinking and your own finishing of the
picture. If you want the sharpest out of the camera picture buy an
Olympus 8080 with it's 8mp sensor. That camera is DESIGNED to give
SHARP out of camera pictures. The MKII is NOT designed to give you
sharp out of camera pictures. It is designed for less noise, more
dynamic range, more information in the picture and THEN you do your
own sharpening.

I think the new 10D MKII or whatever they will call it will be more
the camera for a lot of folks. I think we are going to see a lot of
MKII cameras on Ebay in about 4 or 5 months with people saying
"this is more camera than I need." And they will be right. The MKII
is like a Hasselblad. It is a high end workhorse designed for the
pro, not for the Disneyland circuit (although I definitely plan to
take it to Disney).

So, buy yourself a sharpener like FocalBlade, Photokit, or wait
until Fred Miranda releases his sharpening action set for the MKII.
And DON'T but his generic one, buy the one designed specifically
for the mark II sensor. I bet he has it out in about a month.
--
Peter Gregg

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Tom Piotrowski said:

I have been now shooting for two days with Canon 1D MkII and
confirm that the photos are significantly softer than from number
of other Canon DSLRs. I owe 1Ds, 300D and have been using D30, D60
and 10D in the past. I compare softness of images from 1D MkII to
those from early D30. Yes... it appears to me that in tradeoff of
some incredible smoothing (1D MkII images are silky smooth) the
overall sharpness is compromised.

For your information, I use "L " lenses only, mostly primes, take
pictures in RAW format using Adobe RGB colour space and process
them with quality RAW converters - C1 Pro DSLR being my number one
choice. At present C1Pro DSLR does not support 1D MkII hence for
the images shot in past two days I used Canon's Digital Photo
Professional that came with the camera and as of today Adobe Camera
Raw 2.2

There is an option in 1D MkII to set the level of internal
sharpening. For the moment I have this sharpening switched off.

I must admit that I am bit concerned about softness of 1D MkII
images, as sharpening them in Photoshop does not bring the same
result I used to get from 1Ds or even 300D. Canon 300D images
appear to me much crisper than those of 1D MkII.

Regards

Tom Piotrowski

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Matthew Smith said:

I'm a potential Nikon convert. I'm waiting for the good news of
this camera so that I can convince myself to drop $5K.

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Iliah Borg said:

Matthew Smith said:

I'm a potential Nikon convert. I'm waiting for the good news of
this camera so that I can convince myself to drop $5K.

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First, it would not be 5K. To have good results, you would need
best lenses.

Second - then there will be great news from Nikon...

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Teski said:

Is that bodies come and go, but it's the lens investment that makes
the difference. I switched from Nikon glass and the S2 body
because Canon's full lineup makes more sense for me. But you need
to consider a lot of things when looking at making that switch. It
can be quite expensive.

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Peter Gregg said:

Tom,

Why did you buy the 1D MKII? Are you a professional photographer or
are you a photography hobbyist?

The game of seeing what camera can produce the sharpest picture
straight out of the camera is a game that is played here a lot, but
it is a stupid game. The professional cameras are intentionally
designed to target some type of a goal.

I don't know why I waste my time explaining this. The rules that
come from consumer cameras don't apply here. The finished product,
or the print, must be arrived at. Attaching your camera by a USB
cable to a printer and expecting finished prints is ludicrous. The
1D MKII has a USB 1.1 printing port for proofing.

You know, the Hasselblads and the likes have a Polaroid back to
take a proof print. That Polaroid snapshot is not the finished
print, and neither is the print when it is straight out of the
camera.

If your prints are not sharpening correctly, then learn how to
sharpen, don't blame the camera. If you can't sharpen a print to
look like what you want, and you can't USM correctly, then buy a
sharpening program that will do it for you.

No, it is ridiculous to take a print out of the camera and compare
it to anything else. It isn't finished. Comparing how sharp a print
is out of the MKII with the 1Ds isn't fair. Each of those files
need to be sharpened differently. Why does Fred Miranda make a
sharpening action for each of the DSLR cameras. Stupid Fred, I
guess he though it best to make the correct sharpening action that
will work best for the individual cameras because he wants top
crafted prints.

So, when you say hey the prints of the MKII are not that sharp, I
say SO WHAT. The 1D has a weaker AA filter, the files will
automatically come out of that camera sharper, don't pass go, don't
collect $200, they will be sharper because that is the nature of
that camera. The nature of this camera will have it's own look,
sharpness, strengths and weaknesses just like each of your children
will.

These aren't consumer digital cameras. The rules of that game is to
get a FINISHED PRINT RIGHT OUT OF THE CAMERA. Those rules are
different here. Here we deal with pixel size, dynamic range, color
response but NOT SHARPNESS. You do that yourself.

I think that too many people will be buying the 1D MKII thinking
they are getting a "top camera". You are buying the equivalent of a
Hasselblad. You do your own thinking and your own finishing of the
picture. If you want the sharpest out of the camera picture buy an
Olympus 8080 with it's 8mp sensor. That camera is DESIGNED to give
SHARP out of camera pictures. The MKII is NOT designed to give you
sharp out of camera pictures. It is designed for less noise, more
dynamic range, more information in the picture and THEN you do your
own sharpening.

I think the new 10D MKII or whatever they will call it will be more
the camera for a lot of folks. I think we are going to see a lot of
MKII cameras on Ebay in about 4 or 5 months with people saying
"this is more camera than I need." And they will be right. The MKII
is like a Hasselblad. It is a high end workhorse designed for the
pro, not for the Disneyland circuit (although I definitely plan to
take it to Disney).

So, buy yourself a sharpener like FocalBlade, Photokit, or wait
until Fred Miranda releases his sharpening action set for the MKII.
And DON'T but his generic one, buy the one designed specifically
for the mark II sensor. I bet he has it out in about a month.
--
Peter Gregg

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