I am floored!!! I actually do have backfocus!!! (Large test pic)

So the person was actually focusing too close???
Well as he wrote, he moved the camera closer to the subject until the AF could get a lock. That would put the distance right at the minimum focussing distance of the lens. Which means that the foreground would not be able to be as clear as further away. Partly this depends upon what Nikon means by minimum. This is easy to rule out though, shoot further away!

AX
 
I was focusing by viewfinder sharpness.

I just repeated the manual focus test and got excellent center
sharpness. The green light was not on where I saw the sharpest
focus.
Can you make sure the diopter adjustment was done properly? and the distance should be about 8 feet, good light, contrast sublect. If those conditions are fulfilled, camera needs to be checked for alignment.
In a few simple tests shooting at curved food jar labels, I also
see what appears to be backfocus (kit lens at 70mm, object about
20mm farther than closest focus distance, tripod, timer). But I
get identical results with manual focus.
How exactly do you focus manually - by the focus confirmation
light, or by max. sharpness in the viewfinder?
But isn't also possible that there's nothing wrong with the D70
autofocus system, but that the position of the CCD is slightly out
of spec?
if true manual focus, not by green light, but by max. sharpness in
viewfinder, fails - camera needs alignment, most probably it is the
mirror. But that is very doubtful. Any AF system has it's
limitations, and it is important to know how to use it.

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Am I the only one who thinks this is absolutely ridiculous? The AF was off by a hair, well within what I would expect of AF. This is why some people swear by manual focus.
I was one of those who have been laughing and joking about the so
called backfocus issues.

Well, I guess what comes around goes around. When I got home I
tested my D70 using http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/ and it
turns out that I have backfocus!!!

Here is my test:



I don't know what to do - I bought my camera from B&H back in the
middle/end of March - so it has been more than two weeks. And they
don't have any anyways. What should I do???

Help,
Steve

P.S. Sorry to those that I ever doubted, really sorry...
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http://fotogenetic.dearingfilm.com
 
I'm speaking about the whole issue of DSLRs and "back focusing". I'm not saying that AF modules don't ever have problems, it's just amazing that somehow makers like Canon and Nikon somehow forgot how to make cameras that can accurately autofocus when they started to roll out DSLRs. Lots of people have expressed frustration at Nikon, et al when a camera with a perceived BF problem is returned to them as-is from the service center with a note attached that everything checked out OK. So why did so many people think the D1 had BF issues but nobody thinks the same of the F5?

Gizmo
Only 1 person on this forum reported that it was checked out
fine...and now Nikon has decided to recheck it to ensure they were
correct. We are still waiting on the results.
 
...may be a factor D1 versus F5. The AF module has a tougher job if there is a FOV crop and the final images will be the same.

AX
 
While I don't know the proper method to set the diopter, I would think that I must have gotten it pretty close if I can get good results with manual focus.

I'm not using a lot of light. I don't have a decent light source to use.

As I mentioned before, I'm shooting at nearly the closest range for the kit lens.

Here is an autofocus image, followed by a manual focus image:




I was focusing by viewfinder sharpness.

I just repeated the manual focus test and got excellent center
sharpness. The green light was not on where I saw the sharpest
focus.
Can you make sure the diopter adjustment was done properly? and the
distance should be about 8 feet, good light, contrast sublect. If
those conditions are fulfilled, camera needs to be checked for
alignment.
In a few simple tests shooting at curved food jar labels, I also
see what appears to be backfocus (kit lens at 70mm, object about
20mm farther than closest focus distance, tripod, timer). But I
get identical results with manual focus.
How exactly do you focus manually - by the focus confirmation
light, or by max. sharpness in the viewfinder?
But isn't also possible that there's nothing wrong with the D70
autofocus system, but that the position of the CCD is slightly out
of spec?
if true manual focus, not by green light, but by max. sharpness in
viewfinder, fails - camera needs alignment, most probably it is the
mirror. But that is very doubtful. Any AF system has it's
limitations, and it is important to know how to use it.

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So you really don't think I have backfocus at all???

Thanks,
Steve
So the person was actually focusing too close???
Well as he wrote, he moved the camera closer to the subject until
the AF could get a lock. That would put the distance right at the
minimum focussing distance of the lens. Which means that the
foreground would not be able to be as clear as further away.
Partly this depends upon what Nikon means by minimum. This is
easy to rule out though, shoot further away!

AX
 
Am I the only one who thinks this is absolutely ridiculous? The AF
was off by a hair, well within what I would expect of AF. This is
why some people swear by manual focus.
Personally, I can't figure out how to set this up within tolerable limits. How does one line up things parallel that are separated by say 12 inches? And the test then requires you rotate the target by exactly 45 degrees. Slight errors in alignment, 46 degrees, 45.5 degrees are magnified to show up as "back focus." I don't have an optical bench, so I can't even attempt this level of precision. . . .

Steve, perhaps you can elaborate on the calibration procedure you used?
 
You were focusing on the central vertical line, AF was taking into account much larger surface and optimised the contrast on it. Very typical. Nothing wrong IMHO, it works that way. For this type of shots I use manual focus.
I'm not using a lot of light. I don't have a decent light source
to use.

As I mentioned before, I'm shooting at nearly the closest range for
the kit lens.

Here is an autofocus image, followed by a manual focus image:




I was focusing by viewfinder sharpness.

I just repeated the manual focus test and got excellent center
sharpness. The green light was not on where I saw the sharpest
focus.
Can you make sure the diopter adjustment was done properly? and the
distance should be about 8 feet, good light, contrast sublect. If
those conditions are fulfilled, camera needs to be checked for
alignment.
In a few simple tests shooting at curved food jar labels, I also
see what appears to be backfocus (kit lens at 70mm, object about
20mm farther than closest focus distance, tripod, timer). But I
get identical results with manual focus.
How exactly do you focus manually - by the focus confirmation
light, or by max. sharpness in the viewfinder?
But isn't also possible that there's nothing wrong with the D70
autofocus system, but that the position of the CCD is slightly out
of spec?
if true manual focus, not by green light, but by max. sharpness in
viewfinder, fails - camera needs alignment, most probably it is the
mirror. But that is very doubtful. Any AF system has it's
limitations, and it is important to know how to use it.

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I was one of those who have been laughing and joking about the so
called backfocus issues.

Well, I guess what comes around goes around. When I got home I
tested my D70 using http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/ and it
turns out that I have backfocus!!!

Here is my test:



I don't know what to do - I bought my camera from B&H back in the
middle/end of March - so it has been more than two weeks. And they
don't have any anyways. What should I do???

Help,
Steve

P.S. Sorry to those that I ever doubted, really sorry...
--
http://fotogenetic.dearingfilm.com
 
That's great if you use MF but what about the AF - that would still be messed up!

S-
I just repeated the manual focus test and got excellent center
sharpness. The green light was not on where I saw the sharpest
focus.
In a few simple tests shooting at curved food jar labels, I also
see what appears to be backfocus (kit lens at 70mm, object about
20mm farther than closest focus distance, tripod, timer). But I
get identical results with manual focus.
How exactly do you focus manually - by the focus confirmation
light, or by max. sharpness in the viewfinder?
But isn't also possible that there's nothing wrong with the D70
autofocus system, but that the position of the CCD is slightly out
of spec?
if true manual focus, not by green light, but by max. sharpness in
viewfinder, fails - camera needs alignment, most probably it is the
mirror. But that is very doubtful. Any AF system has it's
limitations, and it is important to know how to use it.

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Well, I guess what comes around goes around. When I got home I
tested my D70 using http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/ and it
turns out that I have backfocus!!!
That's not backfocus at all, but WELL within tolerance. Did you
push the shutter release more than once, or just one time? Did you
test wide open or at a reduced aperture?

My 10D had SEVERE backfocus issues. It would be focused on the 3-4
range while my D100 was spot-on.

What you're experiencing is normal. You'd likely see that VERY
subtle deviance in a D1x or D2H as well.
Brendan
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Things that make you go, hmmmm...
You do not have a back focus problem. The focus area should be 1/3 in front of your focus line and 2/3 behind behind that line. This is about what you have. Any varience that you have could be from your test setup. I would not send the camera in as you may get something worse.
 
Ok, about the 1/3 and 2/3 deal...

Shouldn't what I focused on be the most focused???

Thanks,
Steve
Well, I guess what comes around goes around. When I got home I
tested my D70 using http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/ and it
turns out that I have backfocus!!!
That's not backfocus at all, but WELL within tolerance. Did you
push the shutter release more than once, or just one time? Did you
test wide open or at a reduced aperture?

My 10D had SEVERE backfocus issues. It would be focused on the 3-4
range while my D100 was spot-on.

What you're experiencing is normal. You'd likely see that VERY
subtle deviance in a D1x or D2H as well.
Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...
You do not have a back focus problem. The focus area should be 1/3
in front of your focus line and 2/3 behind behind that line. This
is about what you have. Any varience that you have could be from
your test setup. I would not send the camera in as you may get
something worse.
 
Excuse me sir but I am still learning. This to me is backfocus, and as I admitted I am new to the term and what varying degrees of backfocus are acceptable.

But thanks for trying to make me out as a drama queen.

-S
I was one of those who have been laughing and joking about the so
called backfocus issues.

Well, I guess what comes around goes around. When I got home I
tested my D70 using http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/ and it
turns out that I have backfocus!!!

Here is my test:



I don't know what to do - I bought my camera from B&H back in the
middle/end of March - so it has been more than two weeks. And they
don't have any anyways. What should I do???

Help,
Steve

P.S. Sorry to those that I ever doubted, really sorry...
--
http://fotogenetic.dearingfilm.com
 
Ok, about the 1/3 and 2/3 deal...

Shouldn't what I focused on be the most focused???
It should be but I think you are within the dof tolerance. Again at this close range your test set and procedure could be the cause. Your focus could be off just a little. Run your test at about 16 or 17 inches so you are well within the focus limits of your lens.Try stoping down one stop and see what the difference is. Make sure your focus chart is mounted on something solid and is level and perpendicular with your camera back. and at a 45 degree angle from your camera. Run your test again before you do anything else.
Thanks,
Steve
Well, I guess what comes around goes around. When I got home I
tested my D70 using http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/ and it
turns out that I have backfocus!!!
That's not backfocus at all, but WELL within tolerance. Did you
push the shutter release more than once, or just one time? Did you
test wide open or at a reduced aperture?

My 10D had SEVERE backfocus issues. It would be focused on the 3-4
range while my D100 was spot-on.

What you're experiencing is normal. You'd likely see that VERY
subtle deviance in a D1x or D2H as well.
Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...
You do not have a back focus problem. The focus area should be 1/3
in front of your focus line and 2/3 behind behind that line. This
is about what you have. Any varience that you have could be from
your test setup. I would not send the camera in as you may get
something worse.
 

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