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... what I can share here about software, is that the new Photoshop cs along with the new RAW administration, can do wonders when it comes to Nikon's .NEFs... feel like you re-shoot the photo. It's a great advancement.
Darren Chesnut said:
We all are in waiting of the D2x, right. a full frame, Huge buffer,
high flash sink w/ built in wireless flash ( like my pocket
wizard), 800 MB Firewire, WIFI 54G speed (Not B), etc... A Camera
that really smokes.... Something that will lead, not follow the
industry for a while. I would hate to see Canon one up them the
next month later.

Anyway, speeking of software. Shooting RAW. I shoot both Nikon
professional and now a Canon from family use (300Rebel). Software
seams to be a key issue for me. Canon's is to basic. To me no use
at all. Way to basic. Just use IView and Photoshop CS instead. And
I under stand that it is the same software issues for the 1Ds as
well. Fuji S2 the same, to basic for the pro shooter that deals
with Mag and Catalog printing process workflow. Kodak a little
better, more features, nice one software to run (browse, WB,
colorcorrect, etc... and the software is fastest I have used with
pro (Raw features). Nikon's very slow to deal with (3 different
Nikon softwares to run, as well as running Photoshop CS an IView
Pro, all at the same time. Thats my work flow). I love the new
features in Capture 4 w/ being able to push the color saturation
and adjusting the B/W levels, etc...

Now here is were I am going with this Question. Has any Nikon
addressed it with anyone were the are going with their software. I
feel that The software is just as important as the full frame
issue. We need a software that can funtion faster with less steps
to get to the final image. From Raw, color corect, WB, sharpen,
save out. Currently this takes 3 softwares and all run slow compare
to others, good features but slow and alot of steps. And to print a
contact sheet takes for EVER... I am currently running system OSX
10.3.3 and in the feild I shoot to a to a 1 GIG powerbook and in
studio I shoot to a 2x2 GIG G5 tower. It seams that Nikon is
designing for the PC Sport shooter if you know what I mean with
some studio user features. I have not used C1Pro yet but have herd
good things. They keep pushing off the Mac Nikon users.

Just a note, 98% of all Studio Digital Photographers use Macintosh,
78% Sports photographers use Mac and are converting over very fast.
It seams the Camera compaines need to improve there direction with
their software and platforms they a focusing primarly for.

Please jump in and lets get a discussion on were we need Nikon to
devolop the software.

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Darren
Nikon D1x, 17-35, 28-70, 70-200 and sb80DX
Canon Digital Rebel, 18-55, 28-135 IS, 75-300
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Panos
http://www.pbase.com/pkazan/
No glasses, No contact lenses, just a viewfinder stuck on my eye...
 
I have been a PC user for 17 years, and I have been working in the IT industry for 11 years too. I don't agree Virus is a problem it all, I schedule my PC to update the virus definitation automaticly everyone, and I use Mcafee and Noton AV only.

Derrick
adanac said:
It's all about freedom to choose whatever component you want to
create your machine... Mac is a Mac... doesn't get more exciting
than that :)

Again, every machine has it's advantages and I'll just quit at that.

I don't know why people get so "attached" to certain camps... as if
they were getting paid as the 'official spokesperson" for them.

Cheers,

Arjh
Pride said:
Well all the graphic design and photo pros I know ( and its quite a
few ) almost all use Macs. In fact, I cannot think of one off the
top of my head who uses PC.

OSX Panther is fantastic. Simple as that.

Don't care about the measurebating to be honest. Mac works,
does'nt have any glitches , and is not bothered by viruses.

Life is sweet. Can't imagine going back to PC ( we had both until
Panther came along) ,and the protection from viruses is reason
enough.

Each to their own I guess. If people are happy with their windows
box - cool. If they prefer Mac, fine.

I cannot understand how people become confrontational about
inanimate objects..they are just tools
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With so many extreme, polarizing and obviously untrue statements, this thread will go no where but to arguments. Is it intentionally inflamatory?

JB
Darren Chesnut said:
We all are in waiting of the D2x, right. a full frame, Huge buffer,
high flash sink w/ built in wireless flash ( like my pocket
wizard), 800 MB Firewire, WIFI 54G speed (Not B), etc... A Camera
that really smokes.... Something that will lead, not follow the
industry for a while. I would hate to see Canon one up them the
next month later.

Anyway, speeking of software. Shooting RAW. I shoot both Nikon
professional and now a Canon from family use (300Rebel). Software
seams to be a key issue for me. Canon's is to basic. To me no use
at all. Way to basic. Just use IView and Photoshop CS instead. And
I under stand that it is the same software issues for the 1Ds as
well. Fuji S2 the same, to basic for the pro shooter that deals
with Mag and Catalog printing process workflow. Kodak a little
better, more features, nice one software to run (browse, WB,
colorcorrect, etc... and the software is fastest I have used with
pro (Raw features). Nikon's very slow to deal with (3 different
Nikon softwares to run, as well as running Photoshop CS an IView
Pro, all at the same time. Thats my work flow). I love the new
features in Capture 4 w/ being able to push the color saturation
and adjusting the B/W levels, etc...

Now here is were I am going with this Question. Has any Nikon
addressed it with anyone were the are going with their software. I
feel that The software is just as important as the full frame
issue. We need a software that can funtion faster with less steps
to get to the final image. From Raw, color corect, WB, sharpen,
save out. Currently this takes 3 softwares and all run slow compare
to others, good features but slow and alot of steps. And to print a
contact sheet takes for EVER... I am currently running system OSX
10.3.3 and in the feild I shoot to a to a 1 GIG powerbook and in
studio I shoot to a 2x2 GIG G5 tower. It seams that Nikon is
designing for the PC Sport shooter if you know what I mean with
some studio user features. I have not used C1Pro yet but have herd
good things. They keep pushing off the Mac Nikon users.

Just a note, 98% of all Studio Digital Photographers use Macintosh,
78% Sports photographers use Mac and are converting over very fast.
It seams the Camera compaines need to improve there direction with
their software and platforms they a focusing primarly for.

Please jump in and lets get a discussion on were we need Nikon to
devolop the software.

--
Darren
Nikon D1x, 17-35, 28-70, 70-200 and sb80DX
Canon Digital Rebel, 18-55, 28-135 IS, 75-300
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JB
 
Carol Steele said:
Elk Meadow Images said:
Carol,

If you read the independent reports from IDC, Gartner Group, and
others, you will find the great majority of studio photographers,..........
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I don't know where these people purportedly do their research, it
certainly isn't in the real world. Of around 50 professional
photographers that I know personally, only around 10 use a Mac. A
recent survey in the Digiatal Wedding Forum (worldwide and with
about an 80% pro user base) showed a 50:50 split in usage.

Whilst it may be true that more design houses use Macs than PC's,
this has more to do with tradition and the cost of switching
systems rather than speed and stability.

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Carol
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JB
 
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Gary Livingston said:
I am. I like to shoot wide and I don't have butt loads of money to
buy sill DX lenses.
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Really? You should check what happens if you take a picture with wide angle or fish-eye lens on FF Camera....especialy on F2.8 or something....
I sold Kodak 14n...and i say thanks to FF.

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Greets
Michael
 
Derrick Siu said:
I have been a PC user for 17 years, and I have been working in the
IT industry for 11 years too. I don't agree Virus is a problem it
all, I schedule my PC to update the virus definitation automaticly
everyone, and I use Mcafee and Noton AV only.

Derrick
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If virus isn´t a problem on Windows, which OS i generating all the "virusmails" ??. How come sobig.f and others break down national mailservers, if they menas no problems??

Anyway, the choice of OS is everyones own decision. All systems have weak spots.

tc
 
Uhm...when I shoot with my wide angles on my full frame 35mm they are accrurately rated wide angle lenses.

Why would this change on a Full Frame chip? 35mm is 35mm.
Memphisto said:
Memphisto said:
I am. I like to shoot wide and I don't have butt loads of money to
buy sill DX lenses.
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Really? You should check what happens if you take a picture with
wide angle or fish-eye lens on FF Camera....especialy on F2.8 or
something....
I sold Kodak 14n...and i say thanks to FF.

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Greets
Michael
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'I think too much, it hinders my spirits'-OneLineDrawing
'Stay positive and love your life'-311
 
This was started as a really good topic but was driven to stupid discussions about Mac vs Intel or FF vs smaller CCD.

Regardless what we all have as preferences for the PC (I'm on the Intel Side but understand Mac lovers as well) or what technical features we expect from the new camera - a very imprtant thing is the software and the workflow.

This forum could serve as a way to express our requirements regarding these two as the form an important part of PROFESSIONAL Photography (as important as the Camera if you have to produce!).
Lets get this discussion back on track!!

Look at the Kodak workflow which is very good! You shoot in RAW which is the easiest for the camera and then have the ability to tune it all on the PC. they have a tool called Photodesk that can do it but also an import into CS brings good results.
The important point for me is that I need Software enabling me to
  • immediately view the pictures all of them as thumbnails (but big enough to judge their quality)
  • change basic setting on a complete set of pictures very fast (color temp, ISO, curves,...)
  • a fast conversion into JPEG and TIFF
and then I don't care whether its on a Mac or PC...
 
I didn't say I was happy with Nikon Products. I am waiting for a high mp D2 camera, usually refereed to as the D2X. But I am happy with the 1.5x frame factor and the DX lenses. To assume that the next Nikon camera will be full frame to be high resolution is what I am questioning. I, for one, don't want it to be full frame. I only want it to be high resolution.

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Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
Thomas Carlen said:
Then you are already happy with Nikon products, but we are some
that aren´t. That is what this thread originaly was meant to
discuss.

I can´t understand your point......do you mean that because you are
satisfied, many others must have the same opinion??
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This thread was started by someone that assumed the world's pros use Macs and that Nikon will make a full frame D2X. If you want to talk about work flow, then I suggest you start a thread about work flow and stay away from making outrageous and incorrect statements.

However, I couldn't let the assumption that EVERYONE wants a full frame D2X stand and I have no interest in getting into a Mac vs. PC debate since I own both and I already know what I like and what I don't about each. If Nikon were to make a FF D2X, I would probably still get it but I wouldn't be as happy as if it came out with the same resolution on a DX sized chip.

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Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
Plini said:
This was started as a really good topic but was driven to stupid
discussions about Mac vs Intel or FF vs smaller CCD.
Regardless what we all have as preferences for the PC (I'm on the
Intel Side but understand Mac lovers as well) or what technical
features we expect from the new camera - a very imprtant thing is
the software and the workflow.
This forum could serve as a way to express our requirements
regarding these two as the form an important part of PROFESSIONAL
Photography (as important as the Camera if you have to produce!).
Lets get this discussion back on track!!

Look at the Kodak workflow which is very good! You shoot in RAW
which is the easiest for the camera and then have the ability to
tune it all on the PC. they have a tool called Photodesk that can
do it but also an import into CS brings good results.
The important point for me is that I need Software enabling me to
  • immediately view the pictures all of them as thumbnails (but big
enough to judge their quality)
  • change basic setting on a complete set of pictures very fast
(color temp, ISO, curves,...)
  • a fast conversion into JPEG and TIFF
and then I don't care whether its on a Mac or PC...
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Anthony Medici said:
I didn't say I was happy with Nikon Products. I am waiting for a
high mp D2 camera, usually refereed to as the D2X. But I am happy
with the 1.5x frame factor and the DX lenses. To assume that the
next Nikon camera will be full frame to be high resolution is what
I am questioning. I, for one, don't want it to be full frame. I
only want it to be high resolution.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
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Sorry for missunderstanding you!
 
Anthony Medici said:
This thread was started by someone that assumed the world's pros
use Macs and that Nikon will make a full frame D2X. If you want to
talk about work flow, then I suggest you start a thread about work
flow and stay away from making outrageous and incorrect statements.
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Yeh. Somebody earlier mentioned that this started off as a good thread, but as far as I can tell, it started off with two completely erroneous assumptions.

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H McCollister
 
Gary Livingston said:
Uhm...when I shoot with my wide angles on my full frame 35mm they
are accrurately rated wide angle lenses.

Why would this change on a Full Frame chip? 35mm is 35mm.
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poor quality in corners, high vignetting, artifacts...those lenses wasn't designed for digital. Angle of light hitting on a sensor is too high. That's why DX format was designed especially for digital.

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Greets
Michael
 
I am in just about the same boat. I am quite fond of the 1.5x as a general rule. BUT...I'm afraid of one thing: the way to increase resolution and not increase chip size is by shrinking the photosite size. Aren't you worried about what this will do to quality?

I don't have a huge need for wide angles, so I'm not looking at FF for that reason. I'm looking at it strictly from a high-res + large-photosite standpoint. Any thoughts?

regards,
TyKo
Anthony Medici said:
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Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
Thomas Carlen said:
Then you are already happy with Nikon products, but we are some
that aren´t. That is what this thread originaly was meant to
discuss.

I can´t understand your point......do you mean that because you are
satisfied, many others must have the same opinion??
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I guess you don't know 2 things I've learned from these forums

1) A better camera won't make you a better photographer so its foolish to ever want anything better than Nikon's current offering.

2) Nobody needs a new camera anyway because everybody is producing such amazing 20" by 30" prints of dogs, flowers and kids using their own home printers.

(Sarcasm strikes again...)
 
Anthony,

Since you own both, could & would you tell us (me) what you like & dislike about both. I would rather hear it from someone who uses both than others who just speculate. I've always used PC's because it was main stream and cheaper than a Mac. Mac's had always been more reliable so it made since for graphics artist to use them, but the impression I get is that they are pretty much online with reliablity and speed (G5 is now faster I hear, but PC will probably match soon?) So what's your take..?

I use PC's, but got nothing against Mac's, they are just tools and you should use what ever works best for your sistuation, same as with Nikon or Canon. Use what works best for your needs. I prefer Nikon (mainly because it was suguested 20 plus years ago by other(s) to buy Nikon, if it was'nt Nikon, it probably would have been Contax. Canon just didn't come up in discussion at that time) , but I believe Canon is a great system too.

Terry
Anthony Medici said:
However, I couldn't let the assumption that EVERYONE wants a full
frame D2X stand and I have no interest in getting into a Mac vs. PC
debate since I own both and I already know what I like and what I
don't about each. If Nikon were to make a FF D2X, I would probably
still get it but I wouldn't be as happy as if it came out with the
same resolution on a DX sized chip.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
Plini said:
This was started as a really good topic but was driven to stupid
discussions about Mac vs Intel or FF vs smaller CCD.
Regardless what we all have as preferences for the PC (I'm on the
Intel Side but understand Mac lovers as well) or what technical
features we expect from the new camera - a very imprtant thing is
the software and the workflow.
This forum could serve as a way to express our requirements
regarding these two as the form an important part of PROFESSIONAL
Photography (as important as the Camera if you have to produce!).
Lets get this discussion back on track!!

Look at the Kodak workflow which is very good! You shoot in RAW
which is the easiest for the camera and then have the ability to
tune it all on the PC. they have a tool called Photodesk that can
do it but also an import into CS brings good results.
The important point for me is that I need Software enabling me to
  • immediately view the pictures all of them as thumbnails (but big
enough to judge their quality)
  • change basic setting on a complete set of pictures very fast
(color temp, ISO, curves,...)
  • a fast conversion into JPEG and TIFF
and then I don't care whether its on a Mac or PC...
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