Canon and fading....again

Okay, so I've been reading a lot of posts about the Canon fading issues. It seems that a lot of blame is just Canon paper not being the most clever of papers to be using, along with some inks that are also not too good. Right now I'm in need of a printer and I'm thinking of grabbing a S9000. Now, I'm not here to discuss the choice of printers, but I am wondering what people have to say about their prints fading.

So, anyone with a Canon printer. What paper and ink are you using and how well is it working out for you? Have you tried ones that worked great? Which ones didn't work?

I'm pretty set on Ilford Classic Pearl, always been a fan of Ilford papers. Also, I'd be most likely to use the Canon ink, unless there's something out there that people think is a lot better. If there is something out there that have advantages, it would have to have as good of a gamut and also have some workable ICC profiles available.

Thanks

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-Jan

Sounds like you did your homework already so there isn't much more to tell you than you already know. Ilford Classic Pearl is probably the most popular paper to use with a Canon printer in order to get the longest lasting unprotected prints.

And the issue with Canon papers isn't limited to their papers alone but all porous papers which are sensitive to gas fading. It just seems in my experience that some of these fade faster than others, and the Canon plus line of paper fades the fastest.

Catalyst Shift said:

Okay, so I've been reading a lot of posts about the Canon fading
issues. It seems that a lot of blame is just Canon paper not being
the most clever of papers to be using, along with some inks that
are also not too good. Right now I'm in need of a printer and I'm
thinking of grabbing a S9000. Now, I'm not here to discuss the
choice of printers, but I am wondering what people have to say
about their prints fading.

So, anyone with a Canon printer. What paper and ink are you using
and how well is it working out for you? Have you tried ones that
worked great? Which ones didn't work?

I'm pretty set on Ilford Classic Pearl, always been a fan of Ilford
papers. Also, I'd be most likely to use the Canon ink, unless
there's something out there that people think is a lot better. If
there is something out there that have advantages, it would have to
have as good of a gamut and also have some workable ICC profiles
available.

Thanks

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-Jan

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Gerald
aka. Uzi Lovin Hawaiian - Defender of Common Sense!
Honolulu, Hawaii
(Uzi for my camera, not the gun . .)

Catalyst Shift said:

Okay, so I've been reading a lot of posts about the Canon fading
issues. It seems that a lot of blame is just Canon paper not being
the most clever of papers to be using, along with some inks that
are also not too good. Right now I'm in need of a printer and I'm
thinking of grabbing a S9000.

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Fading will always be an issue with dye (IMHO)

If this is a concern, why not get an Epson 2200, or a 1280 with 3rd party pgiment ink?

We're starting to see more reports of Canon print-head failures, also

I have not been to get good prints from my S9000 on Ilford Classic paper. Tried all the tricks (quite mode, glossy film setting, slowing down printer, etc.) and have not been able to completely eliminate pooling.

The problem seems to affect some people but not others.

Catalyst Shift said:

I'm pretty set on Ilford Classic Pearl, always been a fan of Ilford
papers. Also, I'd be most likely to use the Canon ink, unless
there's something out there that people think is a lot better.

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Dominic.Chan said:

I have not been to get good prints from my S9000 on Ilford Classic
paper. Tried all the tricks (quite mode, glossy film setting,
slowing down printer, etc.) and have not been able to completely
eliminate pooling.

The problem seems to affect some people but not others.

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Classic Glossy can be a problem but Classic Satin is fantastic.

mherring02 said:

We're starting to see more reports of Canon print-head failures, also

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Hi

Pardon me for asking but who is the 'We' you are talking about? and what facts do you base this claim on!

I'm no great fan of canon, but everything is not OK in 'epson-land' too you know. (I own a canon as it had THE LEAST drawbacks while keeping enough good things)

The lad is after a cheap canon printer, you're recommending a £550 printer and the other, the 1290, ink arrangments are a model for epson shareholder profits. A colour cart lasts as long as the first colour that goes in it, so even if several colours in that 5 colour cart are nearly full, as soon as one goes near empty (and epson have a healthy reserve), the cart needs replacing. I know, I've had an epson that used 5 colour carts. When I go to see my brother, he still has a 'stylus' something, his 'used', suposedly empty carts weigh just the same as the new (just put either in your hands and 'weigh' them) He still won't thro them evn tho I tell him he can't use them again, or easily...

I don't wanna change your mind, I don't think I could even if I wanted, I just hate to see such one sided garbage.
spanky

I had problems with both Classic Gloss and Class Pearl; the latter slightly better but I have not been able to completely eliminate the pooling.

Kris Kadela said:

Dominic.Chan said:

I have not been to get good prints from my S9000 on Ilford Classic
paper. Tried all the tricks (quite mode, glossy film setting,
slowing down printer, etc.) and have not been able to completely
eliminate pooling.

The problem seems to affect some people but not others.

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Classic Glossy can be a problem but Classic Satin is fantastic.

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Dominic.Chan said:

Kris Kadela said:

Dominic.Chan said:

I have not been to get good prints from my S9000 on Ilford Classic
paper. Tried all the tricks (quite mode, glossy film setting,
slowing down printer, etc.) and have not been able to completely
eliminate pooling.

The problem seems to affect some people but not others.

Click to expand...

Classic Glossy can be a problem but Classic Satin is fantastic.

Click to expand...

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I have been using my Canon i9100 for about 4 months now and have printed over 300 prints in letter and 13X19 sizes using Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloss and Canon Photo Paper Pro. Both have been excellent with no printing problems what so ever!

Yes, the Galerie Smooth papers work with the Canon printers, but are very susceptible to gas fading.

Galerie Glassic papers are much more resistent to gas fading, but causes pooling with Canon printers (for some people).

garybowers said:

Dominic.Chan said:

Kris Kadela said:

Dominic.Chan said:

I have not been to get good prints from my S9000 on Ilford Classic
paper. Tried all the tricks (quite mode, glossy film setting,
slowing down printer, etc.) and have not been able to completely
eliminate pooling.

The problem seems to affect some people but not others.

Click to expand...

Classic Glossy can be a problem but Classic Satin is fantastic.

Click to expand...

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I have been using my Canon i9100 for about 4 months now and have
printed over 300 prints in letter and 13X19 sizes using Ilford
Galerie Smooth Gloss and Canon Photo Paper Pro. Both have been
excellent with no printing problems what so ever!

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Dominic.Chan said:

Kris Kadela said:

Dominic.Chan said:

I have not been to get good prints from my S9000 on Ilford Classic
paper. Tried all the tricks (quite mode, glossy film setting,
slowing down printer, etc.) and have not been able to completely
eliminate pooling.

The problem seems to affect some people but not others.

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Classic Glossy can be a problem but Classic Satin is fantastic.

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There is a couple of things to remember about Ilford Papers. There is the Classic series and Smooth series. The Classic is resin coated (which adds to longevity), the smooth series is nanoporous, instant dry, which is what I have used and have had no problem with pooling ink. But is subject to gas fading. So it's best to keep prints under glass to help longevity.

Spanky said:

mherring02 said:

We're starting to see more reports of Canon print-head failures, also

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Hi
Pardon me for asking but who is the 'We' you are talking about? and
what facts do you base this claim on!

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"we" means the people like you and I that hang out in these fora. I, for one, have seen several thread lately on issues with Canon print head failing, not clogging. I have no facts or personal experience.

In context, the point was that--while Epson does have a clogging concern--don't assume you are avoiding trouble by getting a Canon.

Reporting on what one is reading is not "one sided garbage"

AFAIK Epson wasn't an issue in the original flow of the thread.

So . . IN CONTEXT your point can only be taken as being meant to discourage the user's interest in Canon printers regardless of what your original intent was . . Your point upon your subsequent response is well taken, every make/model has it's own inherent issues but the original poster was clearly only interested in the best possible paper selections for a particular printer make/model.

I'm not interested in starting a flame war, so bringing things back to the original intent of this thread I believe the poster got her answers to her satisfaction. That is for CANON printers the Ilford Classic Pearl paper is the best bet for longevity of prints.

mherring02 said:

Spanky said:

mherring02 said:

We're starting to see more reports of Canon print-head failures, also

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Hi
Pardon me for asking but who is the 'We' you are talking about? and
what facts do you base this claim on!

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"we" means the people like you and I that hang out in these fora.
I, for one, have seen several thread lately on issues with Canon
print head failing, not clogging. I have no facts or personal
experience.

In context, the point was that--while Epson does have a clogging
concern--don't assume you are avoiding trouble by getting a Canon.

Reporting on what one is reading is not "one sided garbage"

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Gerald
aka. Uzi Lovin Hawaiian - Defender of Common Sense!
Honolulu, Hawaii
(Uzi for my camera, not the gun . .)

I have been using an S9000 for about six months, and I use Red River papers almost exclusively, primarily Polar Placid and Polar Art. I did not mess around with settings, I profiled them using Profile Prism, and I am very satisfied with the look I get.

I also am concerned about fading. Am in the process of doing my own "homebrew" tests, as I can't find test results that I think relevant. I recommend showing photos behind glass, which should help the gas fading problem. I am not into longevity of prints on refrigerators or bulletin boards.
If you find out something concrete, be sure to post it back here!

I found in a very quick test that Canon PPP did not do what I thought it should -- make fine looking photos with little intervention. So, I junked the sample pack that came with the printer and tried Red River. Have not tried Ilford.

Del K

Catalyst Shift said:

Okay, so I've been reading a lot of posts about the Canon fading
issues. It seems that a lot of blame is just Canon paper not being
the most clever of papers to be using, along with some inks that
are also not too good. Right now I'm in need of a printer and I'm
thinking of grabbing a S9000. Now, I'm not here to discuss the
choice of printers, but I am wondering what people have to say
about their prints fading.

So, anyone with a Canon printer. What paper and ink are you using
and how well is it working out for you? Have you tried ones that
worked great? Which ones didn't work?

I'm pretty set on Ilford Classic Pearl, always been a fan of Ilford
papers. Also, I'd be most likely to use the Canon ink, unless
there's something out there that people think is a lot better. If
there is something out there that have advantages, it would have to
have as good of a gamut and also have some workable ICC profiles
available.

Thanks

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-Jan

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DelK