James Morgan has sounded Alarm Bells!

Thank Bingalls,

Those were accidental shots done in winter time (Jan-Feb-early March) when there were clouds build up but sometimes the sun appreared. Nowadays here in the Silicon Valley (I am in San Jose, CA), mostly clear skies and not much sunset fun as far as I could see. My daughter is considering attending Seattle University this fall and I may have a look to your kind of sunset.
cheers,
gil
Hi Jim,
I shot mostly outdoor and here is my not yet updated online site
but the images will do for confirming the basic capability of the
camera.

http://art4less.smugmug.com

regards,
gil
Gil,

What a great gallery! The parking lot sunset pictures are my
favorites...truly jaw dropping. Why doesn't the sky ever look that
way around here (Seattle)? Mabye I just don't look hard enough. :)
 
It's been cloudy here everyday {except Easter} since I got the FZ10, and I have not had any problem with focus {and I'm very picky}. Although I have noticed that if you aren't careful where you put the focus matrix, it will focus on something other than what you thought you were.

As to the C-750, everybodies eyes are different, but as far as I am concerned {after 4mo of reseach, & looking at sample images} the C-750s images are not better, as good maybe but not better. Which left other considerations to sort the 2 out, i.e. zoom, IS etc. The finalists that I ended up with were the Sony f-717, the C-750 & the FZ10. I got the FZ10 & am delighted with the camera and image quality. Not perfect {non are} but no comparison in this price range
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adder
 
Hi Helen,

Thanks for the informative reply. I was keen on the Oly 750uz before I found the FZ10, and was impressed with the quality of its images, but nervous of the big zoom handheld (I actually have two tripods, one massive, one light, but I'm trying to get away from lugging equipment around! :-).

The sample images from both cameras I have downloaded seem very close for clarity, with the Oly "maybe" just shading the Pana. As close as they seem, then the IS of the FZ10 must greatly outweigh any difference.
Is there anything your C750 can do which the FZ cannot?
Bravo Heather! I'll look around as you suggest. There are a lot
of positive feelings about the FZ10.

Regards, Jim
Jim,

I'm in Nottingham, where the sun only shines whilst I'm at work (at
least since I got my FZ10!). I'm a picky so and so, but I am not
having focusing problems at all with the FZ10 - I also find it
great fun. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Olympus C750UZ fan too and I am
keeping that camera as it is unbeatable for close up work using the
internal flash (even though it's a bad technique to use, by the
book - but it works for me!) but the FZ10 definitely is a faster
focuser - at least in the case of my two examples. Perhaps
surprisingly, I tried a Minolta Z1 for a couple of weeks against
the C750UZ and its focusing speed didn't impress me as much as the
FZ10's has, which rather goes against what I expected. It might
help that you're coming from 35mm via the Optio - the former means
you know the complications that a 420mm equivalent zoom can bring
(and the help that IS can be as a result), whilst the Optio also
means you already know that digitals generally focus slower than
35mm.

I say go for it - best idea is to buy from a Jessops because
they'll match lower prices, including internet ones (make sure you
take the phone number and an advert for a bunch of likely
candidates, because if they decide to fully follow their own rules
they will want to phone them to check stock), and they also give
you 30 days' approval (obviously you need to be careful with the
camera if it looks like it will not suit you).

Helen
 
Hi Gil,

What a varied collection, and all to the same high standard! The FZ10 can certainly produce the goods in varied lighting conditions. Bearing in mind that the person behind the camera has a huge impact on the final image, I can see there is a lot to aim for. Thanks for pointing me to them.

Regards, Jim
http://art4less.smugmug.com

regards,
gil
Hi James (or anyone else who's listening),

I read your post, James, about returning your FZ10 for
unsatisfactory focusing in cloudy conditions.

I'm a real novice in digital photography, and have been using my
son's Pentax Optio 550 to get started. I don't like it for the
following reasons:
Tiny size doesn't suit my none too steady hands.
Optical viewfinder - no image info, and 80% view.
Very small LCD screen, difficult to see details in daylight - eyes
ain't so good either!
Very noisy images.

I've researched the Fuji S5000, Kodak DX6490, and Olympus UZ750,
before reaching the FZ10 and this Forum, where I've been lurking
and learning as much as possible for quite a while now. Thanks
everyone!

I intend/intended to buy an FZ10 at the end of the Month, when I
hope my birthday will top up my camera fund. I live not a million
miles from Glasgow, where our cloudy conditions are giving you the
problems, James.

Does this mean I ought to think again?

Regards, Jim H.
 
The zoo pictures were all shot with the FZ1. the bear shots and close-up glacier shots in the Alasa galery are also the FZ1. The rest of the photos are with a Casio EX-Z3 pocket camera. As I learm more and get better with the FZ1, I am using it a lot more. The little Casio is still my carry everywhere camera.

Have fun!
Steven
Jim H.
FZ10 is not the best point and shoot camera. It takes patience to
learn what will and will not work. I have steered a number of
people away from buying FZ10 if they were looking for a P/S or if
their primary need was indoor snapshots.
I only have an FZ1 but I still agree with the above statement as it
pertains to the FZ1. Focusing is more of a challenge than many
other P&S cameras. It tkaes more practice. So, if you buy one
from a retailer that has only a two week return policy, you may not
have enough to to get the hang of things.

I took some bird pictures over the weekend under very cloudy
conditions and the pictures came out good. I can definitely see
improvement in my technique since I got the FZ1 back in August.
It is far from perfect but still getting better.

I really enjoy this little camera. BTW, I am looking forward to
buying the successor to the FZ10. Why wiat? I just want to make
my interest still lies with photography, want to get my moneys
worth out of what I got, and I want to continue to improve my
techniques.

Enjoy,
Steven
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Just having fun with my cams:
http://www.pbase.com/swhatleys/
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Just having fun with my cams:
http://www.pbase.com/swhatleys/
 
Hi Helen,
Is there anything your C750 can do which the FZ cannot?
I'd agree that the Olympus at its best will just shade the Panasonic (at its best it would require, IMHO, ISO 50, stopped down a bit from maximum aperture, good light to get a safely handholdable shutter speed - a combination which is NOT easy to come by in British "daylight"!!). But I find the Panasonic's image quality very close to the Olympus (as is its colour balance) and in my eyes, that's high praise. Sometimes I see slight jaggies on tiny diagonal details with the FZ10 - never do with the C750. I think the compression etc. algorithm is a little more primitive on the Panasonic.

Things the Olympus can do that the Panasonic can't come mainly from its smaller size and its very, very full specification with huge range for fiddling (hardly any other brand can beat that), so I'd say the list is (in no particular order):

Fits in a smaller bag(!)

75% metal outer construction, roughly (just the lens barrel shroud in metal on the FZ10)
Uses an IR remote control
Offers + - 5 levels of adjustment, each, on sharpness, saturation, contrast
Saves uncompressed TIFF image files (slowly though!)


Offers 4 full camera setup memories ("MyModes"), with the option of the camera setup "outside" these memories to either reset to defaults on switchoff, or remember everything as you last used it
You can move the focus target around a bit, manually (dubious usefulness)

You can preset the zoom to go to a particular position on switchon (in MyModes) or it can remember where you last had it

Can lock the autofocus between shots to a particular point, without having to hold the shutter release (AF Memo)
Customise the menu shortcuts

Customise one button on the camera back to practically any purpose (at the expense of its default function, AE lock)
Do multiple (up to 8) spot metering readings, averaging them as it goes

Switch between numeric (+3, -3 etc.) and a graphical horizontal scale in manual exposure mode to show how far off correct you are

Meter all the time, i.e. have shutter speed and aperture displayed constantly on the LCD/EVF, rather than for X seconds after you touch the shutter button (always been an Olympus characteristic)

Live histogram even shows the centre spot's readings in green alongside the main area in white

Ability to set spot exposure metering or spot focusing separately (tied together in the FZ10)
Play startup and shutdown sound (or not)

Play an animated image, or a still you made yourself, on startup and shutdown, or not (!)
Manual focus scale also has distance figures (in feet or metres as required)
Turn off long shutter speed dark frame noise reduction if required
Do pixel mapping if the need arises
Eyepiece has a soft rubber cladding
EVF is larger
Fit a fully dedicated, TTL metering accessory flash (expensive though)
Small increments in playback magnification

Full playback mode available in quick review (shooting mode available at a press of the shutter release). The Panasonic's version of this feature is a somewhat cutdown playback mode
Probably plenty of other little things I forgot...

As far as actual, real life abilities go, I'd just say: the Oly doesn't darken the EVF/LCD screen past visibility in manual exposure mode if the current settings will give underexposure, as the Panasonic does, and its internal flash control seems to have a wider range, in that you can access correct, over and underexposed results, as you like, by setting the flash output accordingly within its operating range. The Panasonic seems more simplistic, running out of correct exposure range more easily (punier flash, mainly).

On the other hand, I note the following advantages with the Panasonic:

Much quieter operation (zoom, focus, flash popup)
Faster focusing and saving of image
Faster flash recharge
Ability to focus in lower light, and on faster-moving objects
Ability to focus more predictably and specifically when required
Eyesight correction is much wider-ranging and smoother to set
LCD monitor is much larger
Burst mode far more impressive than Olympus one

Zoom scale includes 1x-12x figures and appears as it should, during zooming (C750's appears just after you stop zooming!!)

Maintains maximum f2.8 aperture all through zoom range (C750 diminishes gradually to f3.7 at full tele)

Full aperture performance is better (no corner/side of image softness, less vignetting)

Slightly less purple fringing (neither has much) but more true CA (pale green fringe on one side, pale magenta on the other, particularly on out of focus areas at full tele)

Program shift available (a feature I've always missed on Olympus, Canon, Minolta - their 35mm SLRs have it, why not the digitals?)
Availability of IS (of course!)
Wider zoom range - 35mm-420mm vs. 38mm-380mm

Digital zoom actually usable (doesn't wreck image quality nearly as much), even though lower in absolute power at maximum (36x vs 40x) - also pauses before entering it when it's enabled - Olympus just goes straight on to it (don't like that). Also the screen is much clearer on the FZ10 in digital zoom - Oly pixellates

Manual focus with a ring (vs buttons) much easier, with that quick AF available on touching the switch - nice.

Enlarged portion of image in manual focus much clearer than Olympus, which pixellates too much. Can also be turned off in the FZ10, not the C750
Framing grid available if required
Clear screen (minimal data) available if required
Lens hood included
AC adapter included (charger acts in this capacity if you need it to)
Lens less wobbly, less vulnerable as less sticks out

Again, no doubt plenty of things I forgot too!

I have managed to get a small bird in tree shot that I know I couldn't have done with the Olympus, already (believe me, I've tried!!).

Hope that helps - sorry it's so long!

Helen
 
Hi Jim,

thanks for the comment, the pics of the flowers in the vase were taken with natural daylight only with the sun on the opposite side of the house.

Now, FlashTrax is the next best thing to sliced bread.

Rather than me typing for the next two hours I would ask you to take a
look at this link, http://www.smartdisk.com .

I take trips so need lots of storage.

For the cost of 8 high speed 256mb SD cards and end up with 2 gigs of storage I bought the FlashTrax and ended up with 76 gigs of storage and a LOT of bonus benefits as you will appreciate when you check the link.

For about the cost of 4 of those 256mb cards you can get a 20 gig unit.

Regards,
Pixy.
 
Hi Adder,
Thanks for your input. It's looking much better for the FZ10 :-)

regards, Jim
It's been cloudy here everyday {except Easter} since I got the
FZ10, and I have not had any problem with focus {and I'm very
picky}. Although I have noticed that if you aren't careful where
you put the focus matrix, it will focus on something other than
what you thought you were.

As to the C-750, everybodies eyes are different, but as far as I am
concerned {after 4mo of reseach, & looking at sample images} the
C-750s images are not better, as good maybe but not better. Which
left other considerations to sort the 2 out, i.e. zoom, IS etc.
The finalists that I ended up with were the Sony f-717, the C-750 &
the FZ10. I got the FZ10 & am delighted with the camera and image
quality. Not perfect {non are} but no comparison in this price range
--------------------
adder
 
Thanks, Pixy, I'll take a look

Regards, jim
Hi Jim,
thanks for the comment, the pics of the flowers in the vase were
taken with natural daylight only with the sun on the opposite side
of the house.

Now, FlashTrax is the next best thing to sliced bread.

Rather than me typing for the next two hours I would ask you to take a
look at this link, http://www.smartdisk.com .

I take trips so need lots of storage.

For the cost of 8 high speed 256mb SD cards and end up with 2 gigs
of storage I bought the FlashTrax and ended up with 76 gigs of
storage and a LOT of bonus benefits as you will appreciate when you
check the link.

For about the cost of 4 of those 256mb cards you can get a 20 gig
unit.

Regards,
Pixy.
 
Hi Everyone,

I'd like to say a special thanks to all who helped allay my fears of poor Fz10 performance in cloudy old Scotland.

There are so many members galleries of super pictures taken with the FZ10, that I'm completely sold! I'm going shopping at the end of the month, when I hope my camera fund will be topped up.

I've got a couple of questions in mind, but I'll start another thread to hopefully answer them.

Regards, Jim
 
A sunny day at the pond



These were taken on cloudy day in northern Germany.
The first mallard is taken with additional Digizoom.





So don´t worry and go for it.

Regards

Thorsten
 
I can not imagine any less daylight unless it was night.
It has been raining for 2 days in Western Pa and it is really dreary
This was taken out a window on total automatic and the focus lock was instantly.



and if you go here and look at the exif I think it will show how dark it was.
http://imageevent.com/grc6/topost?p=47&c=4&n=1&m=24&w=4&s=0&z=3&y=1

I am only trying to point out that the FZ10 will focus under very cloudy conditions.

--
Kodak DC-4800
Panasonic FZ-10
T Con 17



Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
Gene
 
Hi Thorsten,

Three great shots. The quality of the Swan especially, is just amazing. Thanks for showing them. I'm am going for it!

Regards, Jim
A sunny day at the pond



These were taken on cloudy day in northern Germany.
The first mallard is taken with additional Digizoom.





So don´t worry and go for it.

Regards

Thorsten
 
I have been misrepresented here it was on another thread i said my camera metering was unreliable although i have had some bad focus results.also if you can be bothered looking on web page at swan or rather the water around it a bit like the 3 picture post funny looking water rather videoish.the camera locks focus in bad light faser than s50 but its not for me i am going back to olympus
jasm

http://james7874.fotopic.net/
 
Hi Gene,

Thanks for the picture. The scene was not rich in contrasty verticals for you to focus on, so a quick lock was remarkable. I couldn't imagine a better demonstration of the FZ10's capabilities on a dull day. I looked at the original image. The focus is spot on that very damp squirrel, and the exif says it all. 1/32, F2.8, iso200, and full 12x zoom. I take it was hand-held? Wow!

Regards, Jim
I can not imagine any less daylight unless it was night.
It has been raining for 2 days in Western Pa and it is really dreary
This was taken out a window on total automatic and the focus lock
was instantly.



and if you go here and look at the exif I think it will show how
dark it was.
http://imageevent.com/grc6/topost?p=47&c=4&n=1&m=24&w=4&s=0&z=3&y=1

I am only trying to point out that the FZ10 will focus under very
cloudy conditions.

--
Kodak DC-4800
Panasonic FZ-10
T Con 17



Just trying to learn and it's slow going!
Gene
 

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