Had the camera a week - still not happy with my results

tarkan

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Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
 
I think your pictures look good. If you take a look at the clues in the background, you get a little sense of the direction and quality of the light you must have shot in. The pics seem to be very lifelike for the lighting. And they are sharp.

I think most people in here PS their shots to enhance them. It's just my opinion, but I don't see anything wrong with them.

Andy
http://www.alienXworld.com
 
I've noticed the same thing. The D70 takes great pictures. No doubt about that. It's a really good camera. But that final boost, that part where you go "wow" is not there. It often looks pretty flat and dull, but great quality if you know what I mean.

Sometimes you see pictures that are better than others and I'm starting to think that it depends very much in the lens. The kit lens seems ok, but not more. It's an ok lens that gives a pretty flat and dull image. It lacks that wow-effect from what I've seen so far.

But do this... Try to enhance the saturation and the contrast and change the curve in the camera to, let's say, white wedding or something. I think that might help a bit.

Good Luck
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
--

'The essence of all slavery consists in taking the product of another's labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be founded upon ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that he must get to live.' - Leo Tolstoy
 
with your pictures..they have excellent color and sharpness. Perhaps a tad dark - a custom curve would help. The mallard duck picture looks great! I'm suspicious that your monitor is not showing you the true colors of your pictures. Is your monitor calibrated? I cannot tell you what a difference it makes! Look at some of galleries on this forum...if you don't see punch there - it is DEFINITELY your monitor.

Diane
Sometimes you see pictures that are better than others and I'm
starting to think that it depends very much in the lens. The kit
lens seems ok, but not more. It's an ok lens that gives a pretty
flat and dull image. It lacks that wow-effect from what I've seen
so far.

But do this... Try to enhance the saturation and the contrast and
change the curve in the camera to, let's say, white wedding or
something. I think that might help a bit.

Good Luck
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
--
'The essence of all slavery consists in taking the product of
another's labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be
founded upon ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that
he must get to live.' - Leo Tolstoy
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Visit My PBASE D70 album at: http://www.pbase.com/krnysgirl/d70_pics
 
I can understand your dsire to think PS is the reason so many pictures pop.....but I'll let you in on a little secret....

The more you understand about exposure.....and start applying those concepts instead of trusting the cameras meter....the better your photos will become.

I almost EXCLUSIVLY use my spot meter....meter the lightest...the Darkest...and my 13% grey (or closest available) in a scene.....Then choose MY exposure based on the readings....averages...and a little bias towards the range that tells the most about the scene I am shooting.

I would recommend you read this amazingly well written articles on the site:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/

This gentleman is a wealth of photographic information presented in a very NON dry fashion.....and the HOW TO series are very short reads packed with info.

After you start using the techniques....you'll wonder why it wasnt presented so easily in the first place...lol

Happy shooting....and I guarantee you...you will learn to LOVE your camera.

Roman
Sometimes you see pictures that are better than others and I'm
starting to think that it depends very much in the lens. The kit
lens seems ok, but not more. It's an ok lens that gives a pretty
flat and dull image. It lacks that wow-effect from what I've seen
so far.

But do this... Try to enhance the saturation and the contrast and
change the curve in the camera to, let's say, white wedding or
something. I think that might help a bit.

Good Luck
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
--
'The essence of all slavery consists in taking the product of
another's labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be
founded upon ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that
he must get to live.' - Leo Tolstoy
--
http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/d70_gallery
 
Tarkan,

I'll give you my input for what it's worth - see comments under each picture. This is just my opinion, hope it's not too harsh, but hopefully more vaulable to you than the "your pictures are great" typical response.

Fundamentally the problem I see is you've shot a lot of them into the sun and thus lost much of your chance for having bright colors. If you shot with the sun behind you I think you'd get dramatically different result, not that that's a solution to everything I think in many of these cases you'd have been much happier with the sun behind you.

Roland.
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

I don't like the leaf picture, it's boring, and the bokeh is particularly ugly, for what you were trying to do you probably wanted the lens wide open, if it was already wide open, then well it's a feature of the lens that I don't like.
The tree on the right would be mildly interesting on it's own, especially with some nice natural sunset or sunrise lighting on it, the duck however is too small for my liking, and the water to the right of the tree on the right has basically burned out so looks wierd.
The composition resulting in the tree on the left is distracting and disturbing to me.
This is probably my favourite, but what's that bright red thing in the picture, looks like flare (I think that's the right term) perhaps you needed the lens hood on.
A bit dark and as a result boring, this one could probably be adjusted in photoshop and be made quite nice.
Why didn't you crop closer, and then boost the saturation if needed?
The ducks are lost in the glare coming off the water, also your colors look drab as a result of all the glare on the water.
This is much better because the sun is to the side of you rather than in your face. Although you should get closer and crop tighter.
This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.

Suprisingly dull colors, I can't put my finger on this one, perhaps it's underexposed? Also, and this is just my preference, I would have either gone with a deeper depth of field to get the entire cat in focus, or shallower to get just the face.
This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.

I really dislike this one, I can't stand pictures with electrical wires going across them, and the buildings aren't anything special either.
--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
 
One word: BRACKET (pp. 87 - 93 in the D70 manual). Bracket like crazy, learn what works for your camera and style of shooting. It's not like you're paying for film.

The "profile your monitor" advice is also excellent. Will make a huge difference in how things look.

--
Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
http://www.photodelos.com
 
How to calibrate the monitor? sorry for such a newbie question.
One word: BRACKET (pp. 87 - 93 in the D70 manual). Bracket like
crazy, learn what works for your camera and style of shooting. It's
not like you're paying for film.

The "profile your monitor" advice is also excellent. Will make a
huge difference in how things look.

--
Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
http://www.photodelos.com
 
While Roland's comments appear a bit harsh (he did put in the warning though) there is something to be said for this. You HAVE to critically view your photos and try as best you can to pinpoint what it is that disappoints you. "Color is dull" diesn't really cut it. Photography is about light, and if your colors seem a bit dull, or the pictures don't have much life, then 9 times out of 10 you aren't using the light properly.

Composition, while related to the light (and this is why landscape and wildlife photogrphy can be so frustrating), is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Don't just take images.."Oh, this is a pretty scene. Point, click." Figure out what is you like. See if you can isolate that feature and find the light that accents it. CUT OUT EXTRANEOUS STUFF! Don't try to get too much into the scene (I like this duck, and the tree, and that water, and that other duck swimming by). Roland is right, light from in front can be used for interesting silouettes, and occasionally artistic use of lens flare (rarely), but to get depth in the picture you need sidelight and/or front light.

One last thing...I just don't think there was a hole heck of a lot of color in that scene to begin with. Lots of browns.

Just keep shooting. But slow down, and really look at the results. Digital is fantastic for the first thing (taking lots of pics) but can often get in the way of the second (critically looking at the results and figuring out how to improve it).
 
Since you bring these points up yourself, that is indication right away that you are growing, and your willingness to express that is a kind of openness necessary for artistic development. I'm all for encouraging the snapshot takers who post here, and I genuinely enjoy some of their family pictures. But most of the photos I see here don't exhibit much artistic achievement. There is no point in criticizing these people's works when I know they are partaking in beauty and adding something to the world. But I have a special thing for a real photographer, and a respect for anyone who wants to be one. So any criticism I offer here is meant to be constructive.

The eyes are almost as unreliable as the ears. At a cocktail party, we can hear the conversation we want to hear and tune out everyone else if we want to. The same way, when we look at a building, we see the beautiful thing. When we take a photo of the same building, we are often surprised at what else we notice in the photo that we didn't notice when we were there. There may be cars, random artifacts, people, telephone wires, bad lighting, none of which seemed to mar the experience of being there. Your challenge when you make a photograph is to be responsible for every pixel in that frame as surely as if you had painted it yourself with a fine brush on canvas. Like a good book, everything has to work together and somehow have a reason for being there. Look at what a great painter does, given all the time in the world to ponder exactly what will go into the painting and where. Have a look at photographers like Henri Cartier-Bresson as one of the most exemplary photographers who ever lived. Each photo that he published was a symphony of shapes, light, and figures, which all gelled together in what he called "The Decisive Moment". His book by that title is worth a read. Others you might like are Kertesz, Brandt, Robert Frank, W Eugene Smith, or any of the early Magnum greats or those who published in Camera Work.

This may sound funny, but when you look at a composition, take note of what it "tells" you. You can read compositions in all sorts of ways. There is stress and attraction between parts of a composition. There is drama and resolution. There is cultural meaning, intuitive meaning (how do you feel looking at sharp things as compared with soft things). You might try designing the coverpiece for a CD as an experiment using Photoshop. Experiment with different elements and colors, and see what effects subtle changes in placement and color have, and why.

Let me give you one solid naturalized aesthetic principle: The amount of work required to perceive something has to be proportionate to what one expects to derive from the thing perceived. There are many implications, one of which is that a work of art can be complicated, but not needlessly complicated. This is as close to first principles as you can get.

Here's how you might experiment with conceptual challenges:

1) Is every bit (every branch, every flower) a part of the composition, or is there needless complexity?
2) What is special, beyond the ordinary here? Is it compelling?

3) Does the lighting play? Does it create drama where you want drama, or inhibit it?

4) Have I really engaged the situation, captured its essence at the right (eg, decisive) moment? Or do I need to engage more closely?

Something tells me you might enjoy thinking about these things, and I assure you they bring results, and sometimes a bit of self-confrontation as well. But the pleasures outweigh the pain a million to one. Have fun.

Luke
But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.
 
Come on guys he's not shooting film. The best tool you have on the camera for exposure is the histogram view immediately after capture. The information should be as far to the right as possible, but without exceeding. Example: the data on the histogram of the cat is too far to the left causing a dark image. Also, the data is compressed and does not extend across most of the width of the histogram. This indicates very low contrast. If you use the histogram when shooting you can change contrast and exposure settings in the camera and then know when the settings are correct. You must learn to use the histogram when shooting and in post processing if you want to get the most from your images.

Try shooting raw and use Nikon Capture which will allow you to play with exposure and contrast after shooting so that you can see the histogram and the effect the settings have on the image.

Photography is painting with light. Good photographs come from good light and the proper use of that light when you press the button.

Hope this helps.
One word: BRACKET (pp. 87 - 93 in the D70 manual). Bracket like
crazy, learn what works for your camera and style of shooting. It's
not like you're paying for film.

The "profile your monitor" advice is also excellent. Will make a
huge difference in how things look.

--
Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
http://www.photodelos.com
 
For over a week with mine, I also considered the shots 'dull'! I now use the following settings:

AWB -2
Color IIIa
Custom Curve: White Wedding
Sharpness +1
Saturation +

Take a look at http://www.pbase.com/jctangney/desert_flowers_2004 , you will see plenty of punch! In fact, I will probably end up backing off these slightly when I get time to do a little more experimenting. But if you try these, you will see the kind of 'punch' this camera can deliver. Also, the shots on the gallery were shot in JPEG/Fine, with nothing done in PS except resizing!
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
 
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
Nothing wrong with your camera. You just need to use your camera and Photoshop to their full advantage,
http://www.pbase.com/image/27782292
 
I have two comments. I agree the pictures are not high quality.
1. What is your lens?

2. I think in an effort to add punch you have added too much contrast. You loose lots of color detail with so much contrast. Go back to a linear curve, set everything factory default and take a picture of a normal scene in sunlight. Now look at the histogram. In Capture you can make the histogram file the entire luminence range. When you do that you should be happy with the snap in the picture. What you are doing is making the picture use the entire tonal (gray scale range) for any scene. You eye wants to see a total black and a total white somewhere in the picture. Thats the secret of the zone system invented by Ansel Adams. Don't go too far or you will lose shadow or highlight detail.
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
--
Ken Eis
 
It's not a probem of your lens or your technique. I think it's your subjects. Im no expert myself, but I would advise to think more about color and composition. The sunset isn't great because it's not a great sunset. You can't change that. When you find a great sunset, shoot it, and youll get a great photo. Hope this helps.
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
--
Ken Eis
--
http://skytimelapse.com
 
Well, it may be your settings. The D70 is not meant as a point and shoot and perhaps you need to be willing to do more "to" the camera to get the pics you want.

I took your picture and simply touched it up a bit in Protoshop to simulate what I would do to the camera to get closer to the result "I" want from it. A computer will NEVER do what you want unless you tell it how to do it :-)

I also cropped it to make a better composition which makes it stand out more and helps isolate those features that make it have more PUNCH. Also keep in mind those pictures you really like, the ones you think have punch, do you notice anything lthat is common? Tight shots, isolated subjects, etc. If you want colorful pictures, make sure the scene is colorful to begin with. Cameras have a way to make the reality of life so mouch more so. Unlike Film, digital cameras usually render a more faithful scene... meaning if it looked lifeless, it probably was lifeless. The camera can make it look better or Photoshop can. It is up to you to tell the cameara to do it. And, once you set the right controls, you can just keep on shooting.

another advantage is that if does not look good on the LCD, shoot it again! and again and again until you get what you want.

Here is yours and my crop mod of it... hope you don't mind. Cheers





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Manny
FCAS Member
http://www.pbase.com/gonzalu/
 
Some of it is your composition and subjects, but some pictures just need a little post processing. The best advice I've heard here is to shoot RAW. That way you can play with the settings using Nikon Capture. After doing this for a while you start to learn which settings work best for which situation and you will begin to get more and more pictures right in camera.

Adobe Photoshop can work wonders. below is your Cat picture before and after Photoshop. It took about 1 minute to do this. (Auto levels and Saturation boost)



 
Most of these shots are a little flat because of the large dynamic range. I don't believe it is a lens or camera issue. The sky and or water is causing a backlit situation. Try using a polarizing filter. That would knock down the reflections off the water especially. By adjusting the curves you can can increase the contrast in the desired portion of the midrage and not loose anything in the highlights. Alternativley you can try fiddling with the shadow/highlight adjustment to give it more pop. These are cases where a RAW image is nice to have.

Bruce
Hi people,

I've been playing with the camera for a week now - Camera is and
has been amazing me.

But I just not getting that punch out of my pictures, They just
seem a bit too lifeless - maybe the focusing is not sharp enough or
the composition is not very good. I'm not sure if my subject matter
is not helping or if I am missing a trick.

All the images where taken in default program mode, settings
saturation and sharpening set to normal, Tone set to normal.

I adjusted WB and Curves in NC and cropped and resized in Photoshop
CS. All taken with the kit lens.

Thanks for any input.

Tarkan

















This was taken using the portrait mode and I think it came out
quite good.



This was Landscape mode and this is very good as well.



--
To be Nikon D70 Owner
 

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