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I admit to being ignorant, not having got at all interested in photography until about a year ago. I've noticed that there are a lot of helpful forum denizens, but the signal to noise ratio on the D70 forum is a little painful. I expect that as soon as Phil's review comes out (next day or so I'd guess) it will get a lot worse for a few days.

I guess wasting an afternoon looking for moire with various shirts hung up in the lounge was a wakeup call - I missed a day of good weather and it's been dull since.

Like a lot of the posters (it seems) in the D70 forum I come from a technical background, so the temptation to look at facts and figures and regurgitate ad nauseum is something I'm fighting. But, I've finally got it through my thick head that, to paraphrase the sometimes controversial Ken Rockwell, all of the consumer DSLRs are so similar it doesn't matter really what you choose. What does matter is the image in terms of composition etc.

The latter is where I'm looking for guidence, inspiration and experience and I guess I'm not going to get it in a forum full of people as, or even more, ignorant than myself.

Which is a long way of saying...

...am I still allowed to visit if I promise to fit a D100 badge to my camera?

--
Sony 717, Nikon D70, now all I need is talent...
 
Ron Frank said:
I just visited the extremely busy D70 forum.

There are some TRUELY ignorant people posting a multitude of
questions.

One guy basically asked with shutter and aperture do. Another
posted, ohhh, just get an initial setting from program mode, that's
the answer.

I spent a few minutes answering some basic questions.. basic even
for a 101 level entry college course that was based on 1970's
technology.

I would suggest if people here have time, even if it's painful...
stop by the D70 forum, and try and help a bit to prevent the flood
of mis-information that appears to be growing like a creature from
a sci-fi movie over there.

Of course the moire posts abound, and page five has posts less than
four hours old, so the number of messages is daunting...

Ron
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I wanted to take a moment and thank you for the invitation. As a new D70 owner, I appreciate the camera as a tool to express myself pictorially. I have been searching the internet looking for a new forum because of the lack of intelligent conversation on the D-70 forum. I have had it.

Until now. I want to expand by abilties and hope to glean some insightful information here. I appreciate the courtesy given and the courtesy will be returned. I feel like I have graduated "nursery school" reading the post here.

I hope the D70 will settle down and I can return as the prodigal son.
 
I am a brand new D70 owner and do appreciate all the pros here that come over to help us out.

I read this Forum for over 2 years then finally registered when they came out with the D70.

Will some of you reconsider coming over form time to time? By just dropping by it will go along way to improving to overall tone of the forum and make you feel good too.

Anyways, I want to thank Henry, Shadco, and Steven S for sticking it out as they have made a difference. (Sorry if I left you out)

Some of us over there really do appreciate the advice that you folks provide.

Scott
 
Hi,

Someone here coined the term "measurebater." Despite the off-color tenor of this remark it is a brilliant metaphor for folks who compare and pontificate with specifications.

I'm reminded of childhood arguments about baseball heros of different ages arguing their statistics over which player is better, measuring their predicted performances and baiting their opponent.

The whole idea is taking pictures.

Of course you're welcome here. There's always a place for questions about techniques and general topics everyone might benefit from. Just keep D70 Moire issues "over there."

Rich
Islandape said:
Like a lot of the posters (it seems) in the D70 forum I come from a
technical background, so the temptation to look at facts and

figures and regurgitate ad nauseum is something I'm fighting.> ...am I still allowed to visit if I promise to fit a D100 badge to
my camera?

--
Sony 717, Nikon D70, now all I need is talent...
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Phil runs his forums more democraticly, you know: one member, one voice.

You are correct that other forums have more of a 'benevolent monarchy' type of management, but I find those fora to be somewhat slow, and not nearly so much fun to 'hang out' in.
Thomas Nielsen said:
Must admit I haven't got the D70 just yet, but planning on buying
soon. But I stopped reading the forum as I once used to, simply
because it's going bananas over there.
I guess the problem is that this site got a lot of visitors and due
to that loads of posts. But the forum is frankly not up to the
standards of handling such traffic. A valid post can be long gone
in matters of minutes, and because people don't use search or can't
be bothered to click trough 100's of pages, they just make a new
thread in order to get a reply asap.
With a normal phpbb forum, this can be solved a lot easier with
sticky posts, admins and other stuff. I guess this has been debated
a lot, but really a "Moire problems - read here", "Blooming - read
here" "Rebel vs D70 - read here" sticky threads would be nice to
have.. Then admins or similar could make a general and neutral post
about moire and add links to tests and other usefull links". If
people kept posting stupid questions about moire, it would be
deleted...
Simple but effective.

Just some thoughts based on other forums I visit.
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http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/categories/photos/
 
No moire, no complaints, just knocked out by the speed upgrade over the 717

I am that quietest of posters, a happy customer of Nikon!
--
Sony 717, Nikon D70, now all I need is talent...
 
These guys probably never heard of books, or even google for that matter. I've come across sooooo many newbies who have the cash to plonk down on a shiny new DSLR with a couple of expensive lenses, but still shoot in all-auto mode because they don't know how to "work" the thingy. A basic book on photography from a local library would do wonders.

They ought to have a sticky thread right at the top which says "go read a photog-101 book before you even come here".
 
I just purchased a D70, don't have a clue how to use it, so I thought I'd browse the D100 forum because there's always some useful advice here. With the amount of advanced and professional photographers in this group, it serves as an example of how persons new to DSLR photography should conduct themselves, both as a photographer, and on the forum. I must say, you certainly set a standard which must make all other D100 forum members proud. I know I am impressed! As I read through the 'Ron Frank advanced photographers only thread', I'm suprised by the number of posters that you pulled in to the garbage with you. I recognize many of the names from other helpful posts in other threads - to bad they chose to validate your lofty standard. You may be the greatest photographer in the world Ron, but I only know you from your post, and I see a pitiful little fellow, with low self esteem. Am I correct? Post a photo, preferably shot with a D70 - by a neewbie, and point out the moire. If you appear as I imagine, blame it on their ignorance. Keep up the good work. Rick
Ron Frank said:
I just visited the extremely busy D70 forum.

There are some TRUELY ignorant people posting a multitude of
questions.

One guy basically asked with shutter and aperture do. Another
posted, ohhh, just get an initial setting from program mode, that's
the answer.

I spent a few minutes answering some basic questions.. basic even
for a 101 level entry college course that was based on 1970's
technology.

I would suggest if people here have time, even if it's painful...
stop by the D70 forum, and try and help a bit to prevent the flood
of mis-information that appears to be growing like a creature from
a sci-fi movie over there.

Of course the moire posts abound, and page five has posts less than
four hours old, so the number of messages is daunting...

Ron
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I started this thread in an effort to encourage experienced users to read and post advice for new D70 users.

I have no clue what "advanced photographers only thread" you are discussing... nor what lofty standard you are describing. If you are going to chastize me for my responses to a thread, at least have the intellegence to include a link to the thread so people have some clue as to what you are complaining about.

Attack me if you like, but maybe you need to go look at some of the posts I've responded to in the past. I certainly am not obligated to share my knowledge.

Please quote where I have blamed morie on ignorance? I recognize that the D70 and all other digital sensors can produce moire, it comes with the
territory.

I do however attempt to discourage the FLOOD of useless complaints about moire, generally by people who do NOT even own a Nikon DSLR, who post the same tired image in multiple threads found on others websites.

Meanwhile owners of the D70, who are posting their images, and asking for advice, are stuck in a forum that is so full of noise their posts go unheard. I'd certainly like to see that change.....

I'm really not clear what you are intending to accomplish with this post? If your intent is to attack and discourage people who spend thier time helping newbies on the D70 forum, it's a good start.

Ron
rick1 said:
Ron Frank said:
I just visited the extremely busy D70 forum.

There are some TRUELY ignorant people posting a multitude of
questions.

One guy basically asked with shutter and aperture do. Another
posted, ohhh, just get an initial setting from program mode, that's
the answer.

I spent a few minutes answering some basic questions.. basic even
for a 101 level entry college course that was based on 1970's
technology.

I would suggest if people here have time, even if it's painful...
stop by the D70 forum, and try and help a bit to prevent the flood
of mis-information that appears to be growing like a creature from
a sci-fi movie over there.

Of course the moire posts abound, and page five has posts less than
four hours old, so the number of messages is daunting...

Ron
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Judging someone by the number of threads/answers is not a valid indicator of so-called "credibility"

Some people write a lot and say nothing. Some will reply once monthly with an intelligent thought.
 
He's been on the fence over a D10 (Canon) purchase for 7 months.

It appears he has purchased the D70, but impossible to say for sure.

Every post is about pricing, or equipment problems/opinions.

Since he owns no equiment, he NEVER offers his experience, he has none.

That is all fine, but the guy has not contributed ONE thing to any forum.

Would you take his advice? Where does he get off judging me for suggesting people from the D1xx groups help out the D70 group??

I say what I think, and right now I think....idiot!

Ron
nejic said:
Judging someone by the number of threads/answers is not a valid
indicator of so-called "credibility"

Some people write a lot and say nothing. Some will reply once
monthly with an intelligent thought.
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Unfortunately Ron, I gave you credit for the entire content of the thread which you started, I understand you have no control over the comments of others, and for that, I apologize. I was just amazed, and offended, at the attitude of almost everyone who contributed to the thread which you started. It seems that everyone enjoyed bashing the D70 forum a little too much, and all for what? I think that most would agree that helping a ‘newbie’ was not the main theme in the thread, (at least by the time I showed up). Most of the comments I see in the thread are derogatory, and disrespectful, (yeah, like mine were to you). Not too much I can apply to my new camera. And honestly, I’d be a bit hesitant to ask for assistance from anyone in your thread, as it appears they have little patience for amateurs. ‘Advanced photographers only thread’ - sarcasm Ron – after 87 sarcastic remarks above mine, I thought you’d pick up on that. ‘Moire/ignorance’ – see preceding statement. Bottom line - comments as in this thread make bad/incorrect impressions, because many casual forum readers don’t do a background check to weigh the good works of a poster. They just jump in, as I did and take it down another notch. Who cares, I don’t know, you tell me.

Note: 4 posts now Steven S. - 25% more credible – how many does it take? I did a search to determine when you were appointed to the credibility board, but no joy. (jeez, I can’t stop…)
Ron Frank said:
I have no clue what "advanced photographers only thread" you are
discussing... nor what lofty standard you are describing. If you
are going to chastize me for my responses to a thread, at least
have the intellegence to include a link to the thread so people
have some clue as to what you are complaining about.

Attack me if you like, but maybe you need to go look at some of the
posts I've responded to in the past. I certainly am not obligated
to share my knowledge.

Please quote where I have blamed morie on ignorance? I recognize
that the D70 and all other digital sensors can produce moire, it
comes with the
territory.

I do however attempt to discourage the FLOOD of useless complaints
about moire, generally by people who do NOT even own a Nikon DSLR,
who post the same tired image in multiple threads found on others
websites.

Meanwhile owners of the D70, who are posting their images, and
asking for advice, are stuck in a forum that is so full of noise
their posts go unheard. I'd certainly like to see that change.....

I'm really not clear what you are intending to accomplish with this
post? If your intent is to attack and discourage people who spend
thier time helping newbies on the D70 forum, it's a good start.

Ron
rick1 said:
Ron Frank said:
I just visited the extremely busy D70 forum.

There are some TRUELY ignorant people posting a multitude of
questions.

One guy basically asked with shutter and aperture do. Another
posted, ohhh, just get an initial setting from program mode, that's
the answer.

I spent a few minutes answering some basic questions.. basic even
for a 101 level entry college course that was based on 1970's
technology.

I would suggest if people here have time, even if it's painful...
stop by the D70 forum, and try and help a bit to prevent the flood
of mis-information that appears to be growing like a creature from
a sci-fi movie over there.

Of course the moire posts abound, and page five has posts less than
four hours old, so the number of messages is daunting...

Ron
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Ron Frank said:
It appears he has purchased the D70, but impossible to say for sure.

Every post is about pricing, or equipment problems/opinions.

Since he owns no equiment, he NEVER offers his experience, he has
none.

That is all fine, but the guy has not contributed ONE thing to any
forum.

Would you take his advice? Where does he get off judging me for
suggesting people from the D1xx groups help out the D70 group??

I say what I think, and right now I think....idiot!

Ron
nejic said:
Judging someone by the number of threads/answers is not a valid
indicator of so-called "credibility"

Some people write a lot and say nothing. Some will reply once
monthly with an intelligent thought.
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Allot of the contributors in this thread have posted a lot of responses to questions in the D70 forum. Although it isn't the case now but around when this thread was started the perception was that D70 members didn't seem to appreciate this.
rick1 said:
  • sarcasm Ron – after 87 sarcastic remarks above mine, I thought
you’d pick up on that. ‘Moire/ignorance’ – see preceding statement.
Bottom line - comments as in this thread make bad/incorrect
impressions, because many casual forum readers don’t do a
background check to weigh the good works of a poster. They just
jump in, as I did and take it down another notch. Who cares, I
don’t know, you tell me.
Note: 4 posts now Steven S. - 25% more credible – how many does it
take? I did a search to determine when you were appointed to the
credibility board, but no joy. (jeez, I can’t stop…)
Ron Frank said:
I have no clue what "advanced photographers only thread" you are
discussing... nor what lofty standard you are describing. If you
are going to chastize me for my responses to a thread, at least
have the intellegence to include a link to the thread so people
have some clue as to what you are complaining about.

Attack me if you like, but maybe you need to go look at some of the
posts I've responded to in the past. I certainly am not obligated
to share my knowledge.

Please quote where I have blamed morie on ignorance? I recognize
that the D70 and all other digital sensors can produce moire, it
comes with the
territory.

I do however attempt to discourage the FLOOD of useless complaints
about moire, generally by people who do NOT even own a Nikon DSLR,
who post the same tired image in multiple threads found on others
websites.

Meanwhile owners of the D70, who are posting their images, and
asking for advice, are stuck in a forum that is so full of noise
their posts go unheard. I'd certainly like to see that change.....

I'm really not clear what you are intending to accomplish with this
post? If your intent is to attack and discourage people who spend
thier time helping newbies on the D70 forum, it's a good start.

Ron
rick1 said:
Ron Frank said:
I just visited the extremely busy D70 forum.

There are some TRUELY ignorant people posting a multitude of
questions.

One guy basically asked with shutter and aperture do. Another
posted, ohhh, just get an initial setting from program mode, that's
the answer.

I spent a few minutes answering some basic questions.. basic even
for a 101 level entry college course that was based on 1970's
technology.

I would suggest if people here have time, even if it's painful...
stop by the D70 forum, and try and help a bit to prevent the flood
of mis-information that appears to be growing like a creature from
a sci-fi movie over there.

Of course the moire posts abound, and page five has posts less than
four hours old, so the number of messages is daunting...

Ron
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Rick,

If someone starts a thread and asks a question the degenerates into a huge nikon/canon troll post include insulting remarks about others mom's, the original poster can hardly be held responsible... which you admited.

My post was intended to remind those here that just because the forum has been split does NOT mean that we should abondon the D70 folks. Unfortunatley the D70 forum is rather full of noise right now.

Regrettably, those who DID go to post into the D70 forums were either ignored, or in many cases (like my own) based.

As no one is is PAID to educate ingorant D70 owners, who have large mouths, poor net etiquette, and likely don't own DSLR's, many who attempted to provide educated and experienced advice were rather upset with the process, and posted as such.

Before you start making enemies around here, you BEST take the time to get to know who's posting. I'm certainly VERY up front (the opposite of subtle), and as I don't sell services or goods here I have little to loose from posting my mind. That does not discount close to 20 years of photography experience (both professional, and as a hobby), and I share that knowledge freely which I certainly am NOT required by anyone to do.

I'm guessing that I'm in the minority with a formal (if old) education in photography...which maybe why I have less patience with lazy questions...

There are some VERY fine individuals here including some respected authors like Thom, who has been writing field guides for Nikon camera's for over a decade. Ironically I saw some newbie in the D70 forum thumbing his nose at Thom's advice....

Ron
 
I'll accept your criticism as I was unfairly rough on you. It seems like I was trying to make a point earlier in this thread, did anyone understand?
Ron Frank said:
Rick,

If someone starts a thread and asks a question the degenerates into
a huge nikon/canon troll post include insulting remarks about
others mom's, the original poster can hardly be held responsible...
which you admited.

My post was intended to remind those here that just because the
forum has been split does NOT mean that we should abondon the D70
folks. Unfortunatley the D70 forum is rather full of noise right
now.

Regrettably, those who DID go to post into the D70 forums were
either ignored, or in many cases (like my own) based.

As no one is is PAID to educate ingorant D70 owners, who have large
mouths, poor net etiquette, and likely don't own DSLR's, many who
attempted to provide educated and experienced advice were rather
upset with the process, and posted as such.

Before you start making enemies around here, you BEST take the time
to get to know who's posting. I'm certainly VERY up front (the
opposite of subtle), and as I don't sell services or goods here I
have little to loose from posting my mind. That does not discount
close to 20 years of photography experience (both professional, and
as a hobby), and I share that knowledge freely which I certainly am
NOT required by anyone to do.

I'm guessing that I'm in the minority with a formal (if old)
education in photography...which maybe why I have less patience
with lazy questions...

There are some VERY fine individuals here including some respected
authors like Thom, who has been writing field guides for Nikon
camera's for over a decade. Ironically I saw some newbie in the D70
forum thumbing his nose at Thom's advice....

Ron
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I'm too busy with you guys...and I think I'm losing. A D70 I can't operate, and an argument I can't win... sweet! I think I'll go take some pics. Is the moire in bloom yet in Texas? I'm looking to shoot some.
Steven S said:
less credible than than you were before, since I indicated you had
just 3 posts on the DEE SEVENTY board. You STILL only have 3 on
that board, don't you?

--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
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