S7000 or S20 pro

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If you currently own an S7000 are you going to get an S20 pro or do you even think the S20 pro is a better camera but not worth changing over or can afford to have both.

IS there any indication the battery life of the S20 pro is better than the S7000?
 
If you currently own an S7000 are you going to get an S20 pro or do
you even think the S20 pro is a better camera but not worth
changing over or can afford to have both.

IS there any indication the battery life of the S20 pro is better
than the S7000?
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Very much unique to each user I think. I actually ordered an S20Pro to complement my S7000 and cancelled duie to inconsistent info from source re. inclusion of HS-V2. Since then I am up and down with each new image comparison post, etc. S20Pro still seems like a good addition if (and when) the true performance gains can be established and verified.

TMc
 
If you currently own an S7000 are you going to get an S20 pro or do
you even think the S20 pro is a better camera but not worth
changing over or can afford to have both.

IS there any indication the battery life of the S20 pro is better
than the S7000?
---------------------------------------------
Very much unique to each user I think. I actually ordered an S20Pro
to complement my S7000 and cancelled duie to inconsistent info from
source re. inclusion of HS-V2. Since then I am up and down with
each new image comparison post, etc. S20Pro still seems like a
good addition if (and when) the true performance gains can be
established and verified.
I believe my current camera, the S602, is about equal to the S7000 up to an 8" x 10" print. I don't need anything larger than that, so I haven't run any comparisons on larger print sizes. However, I do believe the S7000 is superior to the S602 in many ways, and at $400-$500 (usd), it's a real bargain.

I've tested the F700, and I believe it is noticeably superior to my S602, as far as dynamic range is concerned, under certain high contrast situations. The difference is noticeable regardless of print size. I assume the S20 will carry that same advantage over my S602. And the S20 also has the same advantages over the S602 that were incorporated into the S7000, so it's the camera I find most attractive right now. Unfortunately, the current price of the S20 is outlandishly high. I expect the price to drop dramatically within a few months.

The one fly in the ointment, and this has been mentioned countless times, is that there is no in-camera control over dynamic range (contrast) on the S20 or the F700. Really disappointing. Certainly there is the workaround of shooting in RAW when conditions would dictate a benefit to doing so. But I think in-camera control for jpeg images is sorely needed.

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BigWaveDave
 
If you currently own an S7000 are you going to get an S20 pro or do
you even think the S20 pro is a better camera but not worth
changing over or can afford to have both.

IS there any indication the battery life of the S20 pro is better
than the S7000?
---------------------------------------------
Very much unique to each user I think. I actually ordered an S20Pro
to complement my S7000 and cancelled duie to inconsistent info from
source re. inclusion of HS-V2. Since then I am up and down with
each new image comparison post, etc. S20Pro still seems like a
good addition if (and when) the true performance gains can be
established and verified.
I believe my current camera, the S602, is about equal to the S7000
up to an 8" x 10" print. I don't need anything larger than that,
so I haven't run any comparisons on larger print sizes. However, I
do believe the S7000 is superior to the S602 in many ways, and at
$400-$500 (usd), it's a real bargain.

I've tested the F700, and I believe it is noticeably superior to my
S602, as far as dynamic range is concerned, under certain high
contrast situations. The difference is noticeable regardless of
print size. I assume the S20 will carry that same advantage over
my S602. And the S20 also has the same advantages over the S602
that were incorporated into the S7000, so it's the camera I find
most attractive right now. Unfortunately, the current price of
the S20 is outlandishly high. I expect the price to drop
dramatically within a few months.

The one fly in the ointment, and this has been mentioned countless
times, is that there is no in-camera control over dynamic range
(contrast) on the S20 or the F700. Really disappointing.
Certainly there is the workaround of shooting in RAW when
conditions would dictate a benefit to doing so. But I think
in-camera control for jpeg images is sorely needed.

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BigWaveDave
Price is the big worry with the S20 pro. Hopefully it will drop quickly. Hope they have improved battery consumption too.
 
If you currently own an S7000 are you going to get an S20 pro or do
you even think the S20 pro is a better camera but not worth
changing over or can afford to have both.

IS there any indication the battery life of the S20 pro is better
than the S7000?
I recently turned the power saver function off on my S7000, and have yet to kill the batteries before I ran out of memory (512mb xD card). If the S20 can do better than that, it won't be by much. What kind of batteries are you using that you aren't getting satisfactory run time from? I've got 2 sets of Energizer 2100 mAh batteries (made by Sanyo from what I hear) and they really seem to perform well. Besides, at $9 a set I can afford to carry 3 sets so battery life hasn't even entered the picture.

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Tagito ergo sum. I tag, therefore I am.

 
I own an S7000 and I wouldn't buy an S20. If I had to buy a new camera right now I'd buy the S7000 again. That's subjective of course and depends on how you use the camera.

I like the s7000 high res allowing to produce good quality crops and nice landscapes full of details. I do often crops when I shoot action or simply because I rethink of the framing later, here is an example:





The idea inside the S20 is very interesting but not enough to me to justify that price and going out with 2 bodies (S7000 and S20). It would be cool if they could produce a ccd with 2 independent group of sensors that could work with different ISO to increase DR or at same ISO to produce maximum res, then you'd have just one body that turns into HR/SR from menu. I don't know if it is technically possible but certainly you can't say I have no fantasy :)

Finally I have some concerns about the way Fuji is marketing this product, it seems they introduced it like a 'solution looking for a problem' meaning they leave up to us the effort of demonstrating its advantages.

Probably I'd be more excited if they improved the S7000 features, a great job could be done with an inexpensive firmware upgrade, but they don't want to listen. On the hardware side they should try to achieve overall faster speed: AF lag, prefocus lag (quite poor currently), burst mode (more frames and faster write speed). I don't get why people necessarily associate these features with DSLRs, why not a fast compact camera?

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Antonio
http://www.pbase.com/antonio_2
 
I own an S7000 and I wouldn't buy an S20. If I had to buy a new
camera right now I'd buy the S7000 again. That's subjective of
course and depends on how you use the camera.
I like the s7000 high res allowing to produce good quality crops
and nice landscapes full of details. I do often crops when I shoot
action or simply because I rethink of the framing later, here is an
example:
http://www.pbase.com/image/27502581.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/image/24816500/large.jpg
Nice.
The idea inside the S20 is very interesting but not enough to me to
justify that price and going out with 2 bodies (S7000 and S20). It
would be cool if they could produce a ccd with 2 independent group
of sensors that could work with different ISO to increase DR or at
same ISO to produce maximum res, then you'd have just one body that
turns into HR/SR from menu. I don't know if it is technically
possible but certainly you can't say I have no fantasy :)
I like your fantasy! Now THAT would be the camera "to die for" as they say in America.
Finally I have some concerns about the way Fuji is marketing this
product, it seems they introduced it like a 'solution looking for a
problem' meaning they leave up to us the effort of demonstrating
its advantages.
Yes, unfortunately, though I don't know why it would be that hard for Fuji to demonstrate the benefits of the SR sensor. Clearly, it has better DR and better high ISO performance than a 602, for example.
Probably I'd be more excited if they improved the S7000 features, a
great job could be done with an inexpensive firmware upgrade, but
they don't want to listen. On the hardware side they should try to
achieve overall faster speed: AF lag, prefocus lag (quite poor
currently), burst mode (more frames and faster write speed). I
don't get why people necessarily associate these features with
DSLRs, why not a fast compact camera?
Why not indeed, though I think a hardware upgrade would also be needed to improve overall lag (AF lag, EVF lag, shutter lag)

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BigWaveDave
 
Antonio,

Some very nice S7000 shots. Just learning mine (coming from a very good old friend that had to be retired). In the following shot of yours, was there any post processing? What setting did you use if you don't mind me asking for image size, focus, etc. It has very low noise (the constant debate of S7000 and the sky).

http://www.pbase.com/image/24816501

Jay S.
I own an S7000 and I wouldn't buy an S20. If I had to buy a new
camera right now I'd buy the S7000 again. That's subjective of
course and depends on how you use the camera.
I like the s7000 high res allowing to produce good quality crops
and nice landscapes full of details. I do often crops when I shoot
action or simply because I rethink of the framing later, here is an
example:
http://www.pbase.com/image/27502581.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/image/24816500/large.jpg

The idea inside the S20 is very interesting but not enough to me to
justify that price and going out with 2 bodies (S7000 and S20). It
would be cool if they could produce a ccd with 2 independent group
of sensors that could work with different ISO to increase DR or at
same ISO to produce maximum res, then you'd have just one body that
turns into HR/SR from menu. I don't know if it is technically
possible but certainly you can't say I have no fantasy :)

Finally I have some concerns about the way Fuji is marketing this
product, it seems they introduced it like a 'solution looking for a
problem' meaning they leave up to us the effort of demonstrating
its advantages.

Probably I'd be more excited if they improved the S7000 features, a
great job could be done with an inexpensive firmware upgrade, but
they don't want to listen. On the hardware side they should try to
achieve overall faster speed: AF lag, prefocus lag (quite poor
currently), burst mode (more frames and faster write speed). I
don't get why people necessarily associate these features with
DSLRs, why not a fast compact camera?

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Antonio
http://www.pbase.com/antonio_2
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Jay S.
Fuji 6900
http://www.pbase.com/jay_s
 
Hi Jay,

the shot you mentioned was just downsampled and sharpened a little bit. My suggestion to avoid noisse (espec. blue sky) is to set the sharpness to 'soft' (the 'normal' setting is too sharp thus causing noise). Try yourself and you will see...

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Antonio
http://www.pbase.com/antonio_2
Antonio,
Some very nice S7000 shots. Just learning mine (coming from a very
good old friend that had to be retired). In the following shot of
yours, was there any post processing? What setting did you use if
you don't mind me asking for image size, focus, etc. It has very
low noise (the constant debate of S7000 and the sky).

http://www.pbase.com/image/24816501

Jay S.

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Jay S.
Fuji 6900
http://www.pbase.com/jay_s
 
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Antonio
http://www.pbase.com/antonio_2
Antonio,
Some very nice S7000 shots. Just learning mine (coming from a very
good old friend that had to be retired). In the following shot of
yours, was there any post processing? What setting did you use if
you don't mind me asking for image size, focus, etc. It has very
low noise (the constant debate of S7000 and the sky).

http://www.pbase.com/image/24816501

Jay S.

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Jay S.
Fuji 6900
http://www.pbase.com/jay_s
How does S20 pro compare to S7000 on start up speed, shutter lag zoom speed; all the same?
 
The only thing that would make me want the S20Pro, is the HyperUtility software that allows you to control it from the computer. But its not worth what will probably be a $500 price difference.

But since Fuji removed the 12mp mode from the S20Pro....I think I will stick with the S7000 I have now.
 
Oh, and here is my IDEAL Fuji Camera.

S7000 body, with the ability to use external lenses ala DSLR style. Just get rid of the retracting lens deal all together.

Then slap a Foveon CCD in it, and let Fuji work their magic on the Color algorithms.AND interpolate that sucker to 12mp. I KNOW that Foveon chip has capabilities that Sigma is not taking advantage of.

Give it an Infrared Shutter remote, THAT COMES WITH THE CAMERA.

Make a External , under camera battery pack that is filled up with 8 NiMH AA batteries. And is rechargable on or off the camera.

Make the F in the "F" button backlit with a blue LED.(warning...cool factor, but useless)

Put the XD slot behind the CF slot, instead of in front.

Put an AF assist lamp (DEAR GOD, PUT AN AF ASSIST LAMP on it)

Give it HyperUtility so we can control it from the computer.

Add a PC sync for external studio flashes, and for god sake dont put it on top of the camera. Put it on the bottom where it belongs, so I dont have cables running over the top of the camera and falling in front of the lens, over the buttons/controls.

Put quick releases on the camera strap, so you dont have to use that retarded plastic guitar pick to put the strap on.

Then to top it all off....sell it for under a grand. You couldn't keep the things on the shelf in the stores they would sell so fast.
 
No it has a few other enhancements such as pc sync, firewire, etc.

In my opinion, none of them are worth the added cost of upgrading since most of them can be added later, or you dont really need them to begin with.

For some it might be worth it, but I just dont see it.
 
Thanks. I don't have either, so I am trying to decide which would be my best choice, and then comparing that choice to the S1 IS & C-770.
No it has a few other enhancements such as pc sync, firewire, etc.
In my opinion, none of them are worth the added cost of upgrading
since most of them can be added later, or you dont really need them
to begin with.

For some it might be worth it, but I just dont see it.
 
No it has a few other enhancements such as pc sync, firewire, etc.
In my opinion, none of them are worth the added cost of upgrading
since most of them can be added later, or you dont really need them
to begin with.
Of course then there is: the best DR in digital cameras,
: full res 800 ISO, : 10 shots at 4.5fps.

These are impressive things, and should make the choice easy for people
who need them.

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cheers!

Gunn
CF data base:
http://www.propassion.nl/finepix/
 
I'm a beginner at these things; what is DR?

I understand the 10 shots at 4/5fps but does "full res 800 ISO" mean that 800 ISO is usable with acceptable noise? You are talking about the S20 right?

Thanks
Of course then there is: the best DR in digital cameras,
: full res 800 ISO, : 10 shots at 4.5fps.

These are impressive things, and should make the choice easy for
people
who need them.

--
cheers!

Gunn
CF data base:
http://www.propassion.nl/finepix/
 
Of course then there is: the best DR in digital cameras,
: full res 800 ISO, : 10 shots at 4.5fps.

These are impressive things, and should make the choice easy for
people
who need them.
Besides the better dynamic range, the full res 800 ISO is one of the main reasons that made me choose the S20 over the S7000. Here's a link to concert shots from the S20 I took, all hand-held at ISO 800, no post-processing:
http://homepage.mac.com/laflamme/PhotoAlbum11.html

Also since I'm a mac user, the firewire connection has a definite advantage over USB 2

The HS-V2 software was also included but I'm not planning on using it so I might sell it to recuperate the extra cost of the S20 over the S7000, here in Canada. the S20 is $1199 and the S7000 is $999 cdn.
 
If that HyperUtil software would work with the S7000, I would buy it, but I dont think it will work through the USB port, plus I dont think the firmware in the S7000 will recognize it.

I dont really use the higher ISO's anyway, I can understand it justifing the additional cost if thats something you need though.

My recommendation would be to look up and compare the stats on both cameras and then decide which one you want if features will be the deciding factor.

I think Im gonna have to save money for a Fuji S3...that thing is AWESOME.
 

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