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Garrett Lucas · Mar 29, 2004

I'm doing the best I can with color management, but I'm still confused about something. I have profiled my monitor with an Eye One model, so I'm set there I believe. However, when I am in Photoshop editing my pictures, I am getting confused by something.

In the top menus, there is "View", and under that, there is "Proof Setup". That is supposed to be where you can use different "profiles" to see what your picture looks like under different settings, particularly if you use the custom option. When I hit "View" I see that Working CMYK is the default for viewing. If I move down to Monitor RGB (which is what I spent the money profiling for), the picture looks pretty different than the CMYK.

I am still having problems matching prints to my monitor, and I must not have the eye for this work. Should I be using the Working CMYK mode or the Monitor RGB mode for editing my pictures? If I should be using Monitor RGB, how do I make it the default mode instead of having to go in and check it each time I open a new file?

I'm still a little confused about this area of Photoshop, so if anyone can explain the View section, and which settings are to be used, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks for the time,

Garrett Lucas
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SVJIM · Mar 29, 2004

First, the monitor profile that you generated is used to map the working color space to your monitor. The working color space is usually either sRGB or AdobeRGB. If done properly, the monitor profile is used automatically by photoshop and you do not have to do anything.

In the preview, you want to select the profile for the printer/paper that you are using. This should give you a approximation of what the print will look like. Don't use your monitor profile to preview your image, the monitor profile is already being used (assuming it is installed correctly as the default profile for your monitor) Make sure the Adobe Gama is all disabled or you could end up double profiling your monitor.

I hope this helps a bit. Color management is a complicated subject and not always easily explained. You might also want to check out the retouching forum.

Jim

poesson said:
I'm doing the best I can with color management, but I'm still
confused about something. I have profiled my monitor with an Eye
One model, so I'm set there I believe. However, when I am in
Photoshop editing my pictures, I am getting confused by something.

In the top menus, there is "View", and under that, there is "Proof
Setup". That is supposed to be where you can use different
"profiles" to see what your picture looks like under different
settings, particularly if you use the custom option. When I hit
"View" I see that Working CMYK is the default for viewing. If I
move down to Monitor RGB (which is what I spent the money profiling
for), the picture looks pretty different than the CMYK.

I am still having problems matching prints to my monitor, and I
must not have the eye for this work. Should I be using the Working
CMYK mode or the Monitor RGB mode for editing my pictures? If I
should be using Monitor RGB, how do I make it the default mode
instead of having to go in and check it each time I open a new file?

I'm still a little confused about this area of Photoshop, so if
anyone can explain the View section, and which settings are to be
used, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks for the time,

Garrett Lucas
--
Best Regards,

--
Photography should be fun

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libra70 · Mar 29, 2004

Hi,

I am facing exactly the same problems.

My monitor is calibrated using Spyder, photoshop workspace set to sRGB, same as my digital photos. My viewer is ACDSee 6.0.

When the photo is open in photoshop, the color looks different compared to when I viewed it with ACDSee. Only if I do a proof view using the default monitor profile, the color then switch back.

Any idea what is wrong? Thanks is advance for the help

Jim_Collins said:
In the preview, you want to select the profile for the
printer/paper that you are using. This should give you a
approximation of what the print will look like. Don't use your
monitor profile to preview your image, the monitor profile is
already being used (assuming it is installed correctly as the
default profile for your monitor) Make sure the Adobe Gama is all
disabled or you could end up double profiling your monitor.

I hope this helps a bit. Color management is a complicated subject
and not always easily explained. You might also want to check out
the retouching forum.

Jim

poesson said:

I'm doing the best I can with color management, but I'm still
confused about something. I have profiled my monitor with an Eye
One model, so I'm set there I believe. However, when I am in
Photoshop editing my pictures, I am getting confused by something.

In the top menus, there is "View", and under that, there is "Proof
Setup". That is supposed to be where you can use different
"profiles" to see what your picture looks like under different
settings, particularly if you use the custom option. When I hit
"View" I see that Working CMYK is the default for viewing. If I
move down to Monitor RGB (which is what I spent the money profiling
for), the picture looks pretty different than the CMYK.

I am still having problems matching prints to my monitor, and I
must not have the eye for this work. Should I be using the Working
CMYK mode or the Monitor RGB mode for editing my pictures? If I
should be using Monitor RGB, how do I make it the default mode
instead of having to go in and check it each time I open a new file?

I'm still a little confused about this area of Photoshop, so if
anyone can explain the View section, and which settings are to be
used, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks for the time,

Garrett Lucas
--
Best Regards,

Click to expand...

--
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SVJIM · Mar 29, 2004

Go to the control panel and select display/settings/advanced

select the color management tab in the advanced settings and make sure that you have the correct profile selected as the default system profile, which should be what was generated by Spyder.

ACDSee doesn't use color management to my knowledge and for the most part since sRGB is the default it should look good. You will get minor tweets with calibrating your monitor, like removing subtle casts that really don't show up until printing. If you calibrate your monitor, you should have profiles for the printer/paper combinations that you are using.

Jim

libra70 said:
I am facing exactly the same problems.

My monitor is calibrated using Spyder, photoshop workspace set to
sRGB, same as my digital photos. My viewer is ACDSee 6.0.

When the photo is open in photoshop, the color looks different
compared to when I viewed it with ACDSee. Only if I do a proof
view using the default monitor profile, the color then switch back.

Any idea what is wrong? Thanks is advance for the help

Jim_Collins said:

In the preview, you want to select the profile for the
printer/paper that you are using. This should give you a
approximation of what the print will look like. Don't use your
monitor profile to preview your image, the monitor profile is
already being used (assuming it is installed correctly as the
default profile for your monitor) Make sure the Adobe Gama is all
disabled or you could end up double profiling your monitor.

I hope this helps a bit. Color management is a complicated subject
and not always easily explained. You might also want to check out
the retouching forum.

Jim

poesson said:

I'm doing the best I can with color management, but I'm still
confused about something. I have profiled my monitor with an Eye
One model, so I'm set there I believe. However, when I am in
Photoshop editing my pictures, I am getting confused by something.

In the top menus, there is "View", and under that, there is "Proof
Setup". That is supposed to be where you can use different
"profiles" to see what your picture looks like under different
settings, particularly if you use the custom option. When I hit
"View" I see that Working CMYK is the default for viewing. If I
move down to Monitor RGB (which is what I spent the money profiling
for), the picture looks pretty different than the CMYK.

I am still having problems matching prints to my monitor, and I
must not have the eye for this work. Should I be using the Working
CMYK mode or the Monitor RGB mode for editing my pictures? If I
should be using Monitor RGB, how do I make it the default mode
instead of having to go in and check it each time I open a new file?

I'm still a little confused about this area of Photoshop, so if
anyone can explain the View section, and which settings are to be
used, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks for the time,

Garrett Lucas
--
Best Regards,

Click to expand...

--
Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

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libra70 · Mar 29, 2004

Hi Jim,

Thank you so much for your reply.

Ok, so I have to set my default monitor prfoile to the one generated by Spyder. The workspace for photoshop should remain as sRGB correct? (since my photos are caputured mostly in sRBG mode)... Do I need to check the proof color options when I perform color correction?

Lib

Jim_Collins said:
select the color management tab in the advanced settings and make
sure that you have the correct profile selected as the default
system profile, which should be what was generated by Spyder.

ACDSee doesn't use color management to my knowledge and for the
most part since sRGB is the default it should look good. You will
get minor tweets with calibrating your monitor, like removing
subtle casts that really don't show up until printing. If you
calibrate your monitor, you should have profiles for the
printer/paper combinations that you are using.

Jim

libra70 said:

I am facing exactly the same problems.

My monitor is calibrated using Spyder, photoshop workspace set to
sRGB, same as my digital photos. My viewer is ACDSee 6.0.

When the photo is open in photoshop, the color looks different
compared to when I viewed it with ACDSee. Only if I do a proof
view using the default monitor profile, the color then switch back.

Any idea what is wrong? Thanks is advance for the help

Jim_Collins said:

In the preview, you want to select the profile for the
printer/paper that you are using. This should give you a
approximation of what the print will look like. Don't use your
monitor profile to preview your image, the monitor profile is
already being used (assuming it is installed correctly as the
default profile for your monitor) Make sure the Adobe Gama is all
disabled or you could end up double profiling your monitor.

I hope this helps a bit. Color management is a complicated subject
and not always easily explained. You might also want to check out
the retouching forum.

Jim

poesson said:

I'm doing the best I can with color management, but I'm still
confused about something. I have profiled my monitor with an Eye
One model, so I'm set there I believe. However, when I am in
Photoshop editing my pictures, I am getting confused by something.

In the top menus, there is "View", and under that, there is "Proof
Setup". That is supposed to be where you can use different
"profiles" to see what your picture looks like under different
settings, particularly if you use the custom option. When I hit
"View" I see that Working CMYK is the default for viewing. If I
move down to Monitor RGB (which is what I spent the money profiling
for), the picture looks pretty different than the CMYK.

I am still having problems matching prints to my monitor, and I
must not have the eye for this work. Should I be using the Working
CMYK mode or the Monitor RGB mode for editing my pictures? If I
should be using Monitor RGB, how do I make it the default mode
instead of having to go in and check it each time I open a new file?

I'm still a little confused about this area of Photoshop, so if
anyone can explain the View section, and which settings are to be
used, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks for the time,

Garrett Lucas
--
Best Regards,

Click to expand...

--
Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

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SVJIM · Mar 29, 2004

The proof colors will show you an approximation of what you will get when you print your image, assuming you have a profile for the printer/paper combination. If you are just putting them on the web, I don't think there is much to gain there.

The general rule of thumb is that if you are not printing your images, then use sRGB. If you print them and they were captures with a color space wide enough to include AdobeRGB, then you would get better results using AdobeRGB assuming that your printer can handle the wider color space.

Jim

libra70 said:
Thank you so much for your reply.

Ok, so I have to set my default monitor prfoile to the one
generated by Spyder. The workspace for photoshop should remain as
sRGB correct? (since my photos are caputured mostly in sRBG
mode)... Do I need to check the proof color options when I perform
color correction?

Lib

Jim_Collins said:

select the color management tab in the advanced settings and make
sure that you have the correct profile selected as the default
system profile, which should be what was generated by Spyder.

ACDSee doesn't use color management to my knowledge and for the
most part since sRGB is the default it should look good. You will
get minor tweets with calibrating your monitor, like removing
subtle casts that really don't show up until printing. If you
calibrate your monitor, you should have profiles for the
printer/paper combinations that you are using.

Jim

libra70 said:

I am facing exactly the same problems.

My monitor is calibrated using Spyder, photoshop workspace set to
sRGB, same as my digital photos. My viewer is ACDSee 6.0.

When the photo is open in photoshop, the color looks different
compared to when I viewed it with ACDSee. Only if I do a proof
view using the default monitor profile, the color then switch back.

Any idea what is wrong? Thanks is advance for the help

Jim_Collins said:

In the preview, you want to select the profile for the
printer/paper that you are using. This should give you a
approximation of what the print will look like. Don't use your
monitor profile to preview your image, the monitor profile is
already being used (assuming it is installed correctly as the
default profile for your monitor) Make sure the Adobe Gama is all
disabled or you could end up double profiling your monitor.

I hope this helps a bit. Color management is a complicated subject
and not always easily explained. You might also want to check out
the retouching forum.

Jim

poesson said:

I'm doing the best I can with color management, but I'm still
confused about something. I have profiled my monitor with an Eye
One model, so I'm set there I believe. However, when I am in
Photoshop editing my pictures, I am getting confused by something.

In the top menus, there is "View", and under that, there is "Proof
Setup". That is supposed to be where you can use different
"profiles" to see what your picture looks like under different
settings, particularly if you use the custom option. When I hit
"View" I see that Working CMYK is the default for viewing. If I
move down to Monitor RGB (which is what I spent the money profiling
for), the picture looks pretty different than the CMYK.

I am still having problems matching prints to my monitor, and I
must not have the eye for this work. Should I be using the Working
CMYK mode or the Monitor RGB mode for editing my pictures? If I
should be using Monitor RGB, how do I make it the default mode
instead of having to go in and check it each time I open a new file?

I'm still a little confused about this area of Photoshop, so if
anyone can explain the View section, and which settings are to be
used, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks for the time,

Garrett Lucas
--
Best Regards,

Click to expand...

--
Photography should be fun

http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
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http://www.pbase.com/jcollins

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--
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