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I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70 lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just seems to do the job better for me.
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Andy C
 
This is the first picture that sold me on the Canon 1D MKII


Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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Manuel,

Have to admit...that is not bad...its the only solid image I've seen so far.
Manuel Guzman said:

Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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Andy C
 
Andrew Chiciak said:
I think these were already processed by the reviewer...they certain
won't take much more usm before they start to look "digital"
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We'll have to take his word for it, but the guy who took them says over on the German forum that he did no out-of-camera processing on these images other than to add the copyright in Photoshop.
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James

 
Andrew Chiciak said:
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals
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I really have trouble believing that an 8mp 1D Mark II is less sharp
than a 6mp D60. Maybe out of the camera is one thing, but I will
probably be shooting RAW, and then using C1 to convert to .jpg.
Andrew Chiciak said:
the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has.
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"solidity" ... could you be more specfic ?
 
If you read my text carefully...I did have the camera in hand and did shoot quite a few images with it.
HarryP said:
Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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Andy C
 
Where are they? Can yo post some so we can see what you are talking about? We have all seen both good and bad shots from this camera - more samples are always weclome.
Andrew Chiciak said:
If you read my text carefully...I did have the camera in hand and
did shoot quite a few images with it.
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Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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It's not just me then!
 
6mp to 8mp is not a big jump in resolution

Of course, we are talking about a high speed photojournalist's camera with studio capabilities also. The D60 is just a little slow on things like buffer, autofocus, and other issues the Pro cameras from Canon address. The D60 is a nice semi-pro model, but it's not addressing the same market at all.

Images from digital cameras are like comparing colors of tv's at best buy. How good is the signal going in and what is the tv's settings. I'm sure any careful comparison of raws from the D60 and 1DmkII are going to be pretty close when optimally processed. But, what's the point. If you want a responsive camera then it's a different market. As far as the image quality being not as good as the D60, fine. No context to that other than out of the camera comparisons. But those are not that useful either for this market.

I would say keep the D60 and be happy. I would not say the D60 is even in the same league for handling and the samples I see look fine.

If the group shot issue is what your waiting on for the big camera plunge, I'm not sure the 1DmkII is gonna do it for you as 2mp more just isn't that much. You may want to look at the 1Ds or Kodak's new Canon compatible full frame offering. Then you'll have the resolution you need for the group shots.
Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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John Mason - Lafayette, IN
 
...of what you are talking about (with all due and deserved respect).

...Why don't you grab a few samples, here and there, process them, and then post your findings so we clearly see what you are talking about?

I am ready to show you mine, as soon as you ask for them 8-)

Happy shooting (and get over the $4K "shock"),

Ferenc
Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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I love it when someone has a brand new camera for a short time and them rips the thing. All of the people with samples have used the camera maybe for hours or rarely for a few days....YOU NEED TO LEARN THE FREAKIN' THING FIRST!!!!

I'd love to see your sample shots.

Teski
Andrew Chiciak said:
I am a pro who would like to go totally digital this year and was
counting on this camera to be the one that would bring me there. I
currently shoot a D60 and film. I get many great images from the
D60, the limiting factor being more resolution needed for group
shots and highly detailed scenes, better dynamic range, better
autofocus and , of course, better flash exposure. The MK2 fullfills
some of these requirements, but the overall problem is that the
image just plain stinks. I have seen and played with images posted
on the web and also have shot some myself with a very good 24-70
lens. I have not seen one that I really liked. Other than an
overall softness, which is is just too far even considering the
nature of pro digitals, the image just does not have a solidity to
it like my D60 has. Despite all the D60's shortcomings...it just
seems to do the job better for me.
--
Andy C
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