Important New D70 Flaw!

I can't even see any way this could be fixed by shooting in raw mode!
Naaaah, because of the greater density of the files will weight more and cause the strap to fail quicker. You better shoot in the lowest resolution mode and only half as many pictures as would fit on your CF card as normal until Nikon has a fix or a recall for this.

Scott!
 
Has anyone contacted Nikon - how many asymmetical stitches is acceptable in one neckstrap?

Have you checked your neckstraps - is there in every strap such kind of deficiencies? Perhaps yours is a great exception!

Anyhow, I'm gonna ask my dealer to check my preordered d70 at once when it arrives - I'm very grateful of your picture!

Kauko
After several days of using my new D70, I was quite delighted with
the camera operation, the feel, and most of all -- the images. But
after reading about all the serious problems people are finding, I
decided to look a closer look.

Yes, i found a serious flaw in the manufacturing: The leather ends
of the neckstrap have asymmetical stitches! Exactly how this
serious flaw can affect my images has not yet been determined --
but I'm not going to take chances. After all, a flaw is a flaw!

AJ

 
After several days of using my new D70, I was quite delighted with
the camera operation, the feel, and most of all -- the images. But
after reading about all the serious problems people are finding, I
decided to look a closer look.

Yes, i found a serious flaw in the manufacturing: The leather ends
of the neckstrap have asymmetical stitches! Exactly how this
serious flaw can affect my images has not yet been determined --
but I'm not going to take chances. After all, a flaw is a flaw!

AJ

--
cheers!
Rick Stirling
http://www.rickster.org/gallery/
 
I saw the same problem and ran right out and bought a custom strap.....dude...custom straps are only $1200.00 bucks!!!!

Easy fix!

(Thanks for the very funny humor....almost spit my cheerioes out my nose...lol)

Roman
 
That was really close to a disaster. Now I'm suddenly very thankful that the kit lens was delayed, so that I had time to cancel the order after seeing this post...

Could someone please examine if the DRebel has the same flaw? In that case I guess that I have no other option than waiting for the next generation prosumer DSLR...

Tank you very much for your post, once again!
After several days of using my new D70, I was quite delighted with
the camera operation, the feel, and most of all -- the images. But
after reading about all the serious problems people are finding, I
decided to look a closer look.

Yes, i found a serious flaw in the manufacturing: The leather ends
of the neckstrap have asymmetical stitches! Exactly how this
serious flaw can affect my images has not yet been determined --
but I'm not going to take chances. After all, a flaw is a flaw!

AJ

--
http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~mab/Gallery
Magnus
 
Minutiae and other stupidity

23 March 2004: the crazies are starting to get their cameras in foreign countries and trying to break them. People are pointing them at blank walls and test patterns looking for every sort of defect, and then of course anyone can post whatever minutiae on the internet so all the normal people get worried, too.

Then normal people send me email asking for my opinion, so here it is.

Here's where wisdom comes in: personally I can break anything. I know how to create test setups that can exploit just about any imperfection. I do this when I get a new product so I know its limits when I need to push it. As soon as I find the limits I get over it and go make pictures. Everything has its limits if you know how to find them.

I've shot with this camera and it works great. Want to see the sort of things I shoot? Look here.

Some people, the measurebators, never get over this. Their fetish is to find something technical first so they feel smarter than you. They aren't photographers. Face it, there has never been a perfect camera yet. You can't just buy a different product that has all the advantages of the one you own and also just magically fixes the few limits you found. Guess what: that other product probably has far more real problems.

The minor points measurebators find are invisible in photography. The real issues, like how long does the battery last or if you can find the power switch, are obvious so the measurebators get no kick out of pointing them out. You want to see a camera obviously bottom of the heap? Go look at the specs on the Sigma SD-10. Measurebators do this fault finding as a hobby, just as archeologists and astronomers love to find hidden things. Measurebators are not photographers, so if you want to make pictures you can safely ignore them.

Inscrutable Oriental Warm-Cool 1/8,000 Shutter Syndrome (IOWCSS)

18 March 2004: Also in the category of minutiae I got an email from the Orient that someone thinks that at 1/8,000 of a second at ISO 200 he's seeing a very minor color balance shift from one side of the image to the other.

From the images I saw it's invisible, even if the images really are showing the performance of the camera and not just some artifact of his test method. I have no idea who the source is or how the photos were made.

Even if the images I saw are really showing the D70's performance, it was still invisible so who cares?

1.) I couldn't see the purported shifts unless I cranked the saturation to +100 in Photoshop. These shifts, even if a true artifact of the D70, are irrelevant for photography.

2.) No one really shoots above 1/1,000 anyway, and certainly not down at ISO 200. The problem supposedly is at 1/4,000 and 1/8,000 at ISO 200. The only time I even use 1/2,000 or above is so I can deliberately shoot a lens wide open in daylight to look for flaws. To shoot at 1/4,000 or 1/8,000 you'd have to be shooting in broad daylight at f/2.8 at ISO 200, and only time you'd do that is for portraits in which case you'd have scrims to reduce the light levels so you wouldn't be using 1/4,000 anyway. If you did shoot in broad daylight the light would be so harsh that the subtle effects of the Inscrutable Oriental Warm-Cool 1/8,000 Shutter Syndrome (IOWCSS) would be invisible, and if the light got soft you'd have to use a longer speed at which the IOWCSS no longer is reported by its discoverers. This could be an artifact of the electronic shutter, which as you've read above is CRITICAL to the 1/500 flash sync that photographers really do use. I'd rather get 1/500 sync (which matters) and this purported color shift at 1/8,000 (which doesn't matter) any day.

3.) Anybody can publish anything on the internet. I know I sure do.

So who cares? This seems like another case of analysis paralysis or measurebation. As I said at the very top one can always find nitpicks with anything and, even if true, isn't worth worrying about. For instance, a lens or filter with sloppy coating like you might get in a non-Nikon lens could cause this.

for full details, read here :-
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d70.htm
 
Great points, Ken. Very valid, I think.

I also love your "measurebator" term! I'm going to steal that one.

Thanks for your siginificant input.

AJ
Minutiae and other stupidity

23 March 2004: the crazies are starting to get their cameras in
foreign countries and trying to break them. People are pointing
them at blank walls and test patterns looking for every sort of
defect, and then of course anyone can post whatever minutiae on the
internet so all the normal people get worried, too.

Then normal people send me email asking for my opinion, so here it is.

Here's where wisdom comes in: personally I can break anything. I
know how to create test setups that can exploit just about any
imperfection. I do this when I get a new product so I know its
limits when I need to push it. As soon as I find the limits I get
over it and go make pictures. Everything has its limits if you know
how to find them.

I've shot with this camera and it works great. Want to see the sort
of things I shoot? Look here.

Some people, the measurebators, never get over this. Their fetish
is to find something technical first so they feel smarter than you.
They aren't photographers. Face it, there has never been a perfect
camera yet. You can't just buy a different product that has all the
advantages of the one you own and also just magically fixes the few
limits you found. Guess what: that other product probably has far
more real problems.

The minor points measurebators find are invisible in photography.
The real issues, like how long does the battery last or if you can
find the power switch, are obvious so the measurebators get no kick
out of pointing them out. You want to see a camera obviously bottom
of the heap? Go look at the specs on the Sigma SD-10. Measurebators
do this fault finding as a hobby, just as archeologists and
astronomers love to find hidden things. Measurebators are not
photographers, so if you want to make pictures you can safely
ignore them.

Inscrutable Oriental Warm-Cool 1/8,000 Shutter Syndrome (IOWCSS)

18 March 2004: Also in the category of minutiae I got an email from
the Orient that someone thinks that at 1/8,000 of a second at ISO
200 he's seeing a very minor color balance shift from one side of
the image to the other.

From the images I saw it's invisible, even if the images really are
showing the performance of the camera and not just some artifact of
his test method. I have no idea who the source is or how the photos
were made.

Even if the images I saw are really showing the D70's performance,
it was still invisible so who cares?

1.) I couldn't see the purported shifts unless I cranked the
saturation to +100 in Photoshop. These shifts, even if a true
artifact of the D70, are irrelevant for photography.

2.) No one really shoots above 1/1,000 anyway, and certainly not
down at ISO 200. The problem supposedly is at 1/4,000 and 1/8,000
at ISO 200. The only time I even use 1/2,000 or above is so I can
deliberately shoot a lens wide open in daylight to look for flaws.
To shoot at 1/4,000 or 1/8,000 you'd have to be shooting in broad
daylight at f/2.8 at ISO 200, and only time you'd do that is for
portraits in which case you'd have scrims to reduce the light
levels so you wouldn't be using 1/4,000 anyway. If you did shoot in
broad daylight the light would be so harsh that the subtle effects
of the Inscrutable Oriental Warm-Cool 1/8,000 Shutter Syndrome
(IOWCSS) would be invisible, and if the light got soft you'd have
to use a longer speed at which the IOWCSS no longer is reported by
its discoverers. This could be an artifact of the electronic
shutter, which as you've read above is CRITICAL to the 1/500 flash
sync that photographers really do use. I'd rather get 1/500 sync
(which matters) and this purported color shift at 1/8,000 (which
doesn't matter) any day.

3.) Anybody can publish anything on the internet. I know I sure do.

So who cares? This seems like another case of analysis paralysis or
measurebation. As I said at the very top one can always find
nitpicks with anything and, even if true, isn't worth worrying
about. For instance, a lens or filter with sloppy coating like you
might get in a non-Nikon lens could cause this.

for full details, read here :-
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d70.htm
 
Could someone please examine if the DRebel has the same flaw? In
that case I guess that I have no other option than waiting for the
next generation prosumer DSLR...

Tank you very much for your post, once again!
After several days of using my new D70, I was quite delighted with
the camera operation, the feel, and most of all -- the images. But
after reading about all the serious problems people are finding, I
decided to look a closer look.

Yes, i found a serious flaw in the manufacturing: The leather ends
of the neckstrap have asymmetical stitches! Exactly how this
serious flaw can affect my images has not yet been determined --
but I'm not going to take chances. After all, a flaw is a flaw!

AJ

--
http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~mab/Gallery
Magnus
No need to check the Canon Rebel -- from what I read here, only the D70 has flaws.

AJ
 
wonder if the 300D is defective like this.

Just kidding.
After several days of using my new D70, I was quite delighted with
the camera operation, the feel, and most of all -- the images. But
after reading about all the serious problems people are finding, I
decided to look a closer look.

Yes, i found a serious flaw in the manufacturing: The leather ends
of the neckstrap have asymmetical stitches! Exactly how this
serious flaw can affect my images has not yet been determined --
but I'm not going to take chances. After all, a flaw is a flaw!

AJ

--
Harris

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Don´t panic, guys, there´s an easy workaround until Nikon sends someone to your home to restitch your strap ...

We all know that 00000000 (written in bits) is black and 11111111 is white. This means white contains much much more (actually eight times) electrons than black - therefore overexposed images are much heavier and the danger of a faulty strap is increased. This problem especially occurs with large cards. Therefore you should always shhot with a -3 exposure corection, just to be on the safe side...
 
I was considering selling my d100 and replacing it with the d70, I am now sad to hear i cant justify selling ym d100 anymore due to this lower-spec neckstrap issue.

Honestly toh, this entire thread summeries why I chose nikon over canon - nikon users seem less obsessed with the tech spec and dont take themselves so seriosuly (massive generalisation I know).

long live humour.... i bought a 17-35mm sigam lens today and I am very happy with it.
 
Could you please post more pictures, at full size and without USM so we can compare the canon DR strap, the nikon strap and the sony f828 strap. Please make sure the pictures are all taken in a controlled lab enviroment with the same incamera settings.
 

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