The best thing about the Fuji S2 - The resale value

The S2 is an excellent choice for shooting people, skin tones are indeed rendered with unusual fidelity by the S2. What are annoyances to you are real problems for me, I don't need the high resolution; for most of my shooting I need small RAW files sizes and fast card writing, areas where the D70 wins hands down. If I worked in a studio, I'd have kept the S2.

Since my shots aren't going to be in a gallery (most likely they end up in magazines) the D70 suits me just fine.
Now I'm left trying to envision which hand your D70 was spanking
your S2 with....
The resale value. I dumped my Fuji 12 hours after getting a Nikon
D70. The Fuji may squeeze a bit more detail out of each shot,
especially when using a sharp lens in the f/8-11 range...but the
D70 takes the Fuji S2 out to the shed in back and gives it a good
spanking in almost every other category.

Will I miss firewire? Not much, I hardly ever used it. USB 2.0 is
pretty fast. Will I miss a PC socket for flash? Not at all. How
about moire? I ran tests. If the D70 exhibits moire in a scene, so
does the S2. Oh well.

Things I will not miss: the batteries, Fuji RAW converter EX, lack
of review during card writes, 12+ megapixel RAW files, shutter
release dependent camera wake-up, short battery life, the cable
release, "track pattern" noise, "needling" artifacts in diagonal
lines, the crappy LCD, the tiny histogram, 7 second per RAW file
write times, the green cast.

I hope the Fuji S3 is a nice camera. If it is I'll probably buy
one. For now the Nikon D70 is just too much camera for the dollar
to feel good about owning a Fuji S2. Thankfully Fuji kept the price
of the S2 high, so I was able to sell it, and make a profit
switching to the D70.
--
http://www.mantarayarts.com
 
Sure thing: I owned the Nikon D1x for two years, shot 100,000 pictures with it. I sold it in December and bought a Fuji S2. The Fuji was a step up from the D1x in image quality; more detail and much better low-light performance. However the Fuji lags behind in overall performance - the pros and cons of the camera have been discussed ad infinatum.

The S2 served me well, but I definitely missed the Nikon RAW workflow, as well as the robust nature of Nikon cameras in terms of image review, histogram, etc.
In low light the S2 is tops. STILL. All around camera its the
best. When it came out the most bang for the buck. That is why I
bought it and when I bought it. Is it better than my 14N - yes and
no. Better than my D1 - yes and no. Better than my SD9 - yes and
no. Better than a D70 - yes and no. So on and so on.

Sure the D70, much newer, may be better in some things, but don't
compare a brand new camera to an old one which has a replacement in
the pipeline. I can take my SD9 out, with my $10 Sears lens, on a
sunny day and take your D70 to the shed.

I have never owned the D1X, but countless posts clearly claim it is
better than the D70. I would buy it, but it is getting tired, and
I will wait for the next generation D2X, my current camera crop can
handle my needs.

The way I see it, you are moving backwards. To further help you in
your transition, I have some APS stuff on the shelf for you to buy
next year, and the year after that a Kodak Disc camera.

You are entitled to your opinions, as am I, and I am entitled to
poke a little fun at you. I don't know why anyone would make the
silly post you did. You didn't even tell us how good the resale
value was - the only reason I opened the post.

You can beat your camera chest all you want - that is your right.
What did you sell your S2 for, and what did you pay for your D70?
What lenes are you using, how does Fuji Converter compare to Nikon
Capture 4.0?

Give us some subjective and informative information.
 
I'll be the judge of whether the D70 is up to the task of taking
picutres....thanks.

It's not as if I didn't expect the defensive reactions here. Trying
to trigger buyers remorse seems like a pathetic way to spend your
time.

I am done with this particular forum however, my experience with
the Fuji is over. See ya....
--
Greg S
 
Such harsh words, and you hardly even know me.
I'll be the judge of whether the D70 is up to the task of taking
picutres....thanks.

It's not as if I didn't expect the defensive reactions here. Trying
to trigger buyers remorse seems like a pathetic way to spend your
time.

I am done with this particular forum however, my experience with
the Fuji is over. See ya....
--
Greg S
 
I don't want to stomp on anyone hear but if you know what your doing the S2 is a very good camera. Not for pro sports if thats what you make a living at, but for a lot of other things. This year alone my S2 has made me around $14,000 more than likely more. I shoot products and some people but mostly products. Rechareable batteries are cheep so I keep a bunch charged and ready. I dont have to buy an expensive OEM battery. I use only the best nikon lenses and shoot raw files. I take a K? color temp reading of the light and set my raw file conversion to this. Grey is grey save to adobe 1998 rgb then to 8 bit. Then

convert to wide srgb format. A camera is just a tool to me like a hammer is to a carpenter. I would not be as busy as I am if I turned out junk. Show me the money.
jeff
 
It always amazes me how trolls can come over here and try to convice hundreds of happy S2 owners that we made a mistake.

Am I the only one who is stll amazed at a camera that is an "antique" in technology years ( that's not a sclam I'm making a point here.)

This camera can still hold it's own after years on the market. While both Nikon, and Canon have had years to improve Fuji still ranks right up there, and has not been knocked off it's standing of the top three cameras on the market. Notice I'm not saying who ranks where, you can all place the ranking where you wish, but non the less, still at the top of the heap.

Think about ho increadible this is with ALL the manufacturers out there to still after all this time rank so high.

Oh, and by the way, you notice the troll went runing for the hills when he read about his consumer camera being junk by actual useres.
 
and your response to my post was rational and level headed.

But your inital post had everything but a schoolyard "na na nu na na I've got a better camera than you" in it.

The best thing about the S2 is it's resale value?

You get what you give in many circumstances.

You have different needs than I do. I wish you well with your D70.
I'll be the judge of whether the D70 is up to the task of taking
picutres....thanks.

It's not as if I didn't expect the defensive reactions here. Trying
to trigger buyers remorse seems like a pathetic way to spend your
time.

I am done with this particular forum however, my experience with
the Fuji is over. See ya....
--
Greg S
--
http://www.mantarayarts.com
 
Mark,

Can you tell us how you can make a profit in selling old digital camera?
The resale value. I dumped my Fuji 12 hours after getting a Nikon
D70. The Fuji may squeeze a bit more detail out of each shot,
especially when using a sharp lens in the f/8-11 range...but the
D70 takes the Fuji S2 out to the shed in back and gives it a good
spanking in almost every other category.

Will I miss firewire? Not much, I hardly ever used it. USB 2.0 is
pretty fast. Will I miss a PC socket for flash? Not at all. How
about moire? I ran tests. If the D70 exhibits moire in a scene, so
does the S2. Oh well.

Things I will not miss: the batteries, Fuji RAW converter EX, lack
of review during card writes, 12+ megapixel RAW files, shutter
release dependent camera wake-up, short battery life, the cable
release, "track pattern" noise, "needling" artifacts in diagonal
lines, the crappy LCD, the tiny histogram, 7 second per RAW file
write times, the green cast.

I hope the Fuji S3 is a nice camera. If it is I'll probably buy
one. For now the Nikon D70 is just too much camera for the dollar
to feel good about owning a Fuji S2. Thankfully Fuji kept the price
of the S2 high, so I was able to sell it, and make a profit
switching to the D70.
 
If you look at his posting record, you'll see (if you didn't recall this already) what brought him to this forum which was only recently. His ACR versus EX converter comparison on Fred Miranda caught him some heat here very recently.

Like you, I agree that the S2 offers among the best 'imaging capabilities' available in a DSLR today. The range of situations it can handle is arguably its most impressive quality but its file quality is very usable as a > 6MP image (diagonal aliasing being its greatest weakness IMO). Yes, for an antique, its pictures are still very good. In my book, a good picture is a good picture: what century it was taken and how it was taken is of no consequence from that perspective.

Why he felt compelled to point out to this group that he has moved out of the S2 camp is beyond me. It's not like he is a long-time contributor here. Anyway, for $999, the D70 is one of the better deals around for a lot of folks: let's hope he's happy... but the point of his post is... ambiguous.
It always amazes me how trolls can come over here and try to
convice hundreds of happy S2 owners that we made a mistake.
Am I the only one who is stll amazed at a camera that is an
"antique" in technology years ( that's not a sclam I'm making a
point here.)

This camera can still hold it's own after years on the market.
While both Nikon, and Canon have had years to improve Fuji still
ranks right up there, and has not been knocked off it's standing of
the top three cameras on the market. Notice I'm not saying who
ranks where, you can all place the ranking where you wish, but non
the less, still at the top of the heap.

Think about ho increadible this is with ALL the manufacturers out
there to still after all this time rank so high.

Oh, and by the way, you notice the troll went runing for the hills
when he read about his consumer camera being junk by actual useres.
 
Can you tell us how you can make a profit in selling old digital
camera?
The resale value. I dumped my Fuji 12 hours after getting a Nikon
D70. The Fuji may squeeze a bit more detail out of each shot,
especially when using a sharp lens in the f/8-11 range...but the
D70 takes the Fuji S2 out to the shed in back and gives it a good
spanking in almost every other category.

Will I miss firewire? Not much, I hardly ever used it. USB 2.0 is
pretty fast. Will I miss a PC socket for flash? Not at all. How
about moire? I ran tests. If the D70 exhibits moire in a scene, so
does the S2. Oh well.

Things I will not miss: the batteries, Fuji RAW converter EX, lack
of review during card writes, 12+ megapixel RAW files, shutter
release dependent camera wake-up, short battery life, the cable
release, "track pattern" noise, "needling" artifacts in diagonal
lines, the crappy LCD, the tiny histogram, 7 second per RAW file
write times, the green cast.

I hope the Fuji S3 is a nice camera. If it is I'll probably buy
one. For now the Nikon D70 is just too much camera for the dollar
to feel good about owning a Fuji S2. Thankfully Fuji kept the price
of the S2 high, so I was able to sell it, and make a profit
switching to the D70.
Sure, I used the S2 for a number of paying jobs, then I sold it for $1,600. Since the D70 kit cost less than the S2 resale value, plus I had already made considerably more money than I paid for the S2 by using it, using the S2 was profitable. For my needs the D70 is more than suitable, so I consider it a profit because I was able to switch cameras without spending any money...in fact I recovered $300.

Mark
 
This is a forum for long-time contributors only? I ran for the hills? I am a troll? I caught heat for my thread on Fred Miranda?

Look, the S2 does have a great resale value...as do all Nikon-mount DLSRs except perhaps the Kodak 14n. I'm not rubbing anything in. Diagonal aliasing is a problem with the S2, I had a problem with that, and that's what my FM thread was about. Other issues I've cited are very real...the D70 is much faster than the S2, for example. Indeed I came to this forum because DPreview members felt the need to insult me for having an opinion...and the insults continue.

DPreview has a reputation for meanness, and for members accusing others of being trolls prematurely. The fact remains that I owned an S2, I sold it, I bought a D70, I'm happy, and I got a good price for my S2.
Like you, I agree that the S2 offers among the best 'imaging
capabilities' available in a DSLR today. The range of situations
it can handle is arguably its most impressive quality but its file
quality is very usable as a > 6MP image (diagonal aliasing being
its greatest weakness IMO). Yes, for an antique, its pictures are
still very good. In my book, a good picture is a good picture:
what century it was taken and how it was taken is of no consequence
from that perspective.

Why he felt compelled to point out to this group that he has moved
out of the S2 camp is beyond me. It's not like he is a long-time
contributor here. Anyway, for $999, the D70 is one of the better
deals around for a lot of folks: let's hope he's happy... but the
point of his post is... ambiguous.
It always amazes me how trolls can come over here and try to
convice hundreds of happy S2 owners that we made a mistake.
Am I the only one who is stll amazed at a camera that is an
"antique" in technology years ( that's not a sclam I'm making a
point here.)

This camera can still hold it's own after years on the market.
While both Nikon, and Canon have had years to improve Fuji still
ranks right up there, and has not been knocked off it's standing of
the top three cameras on the market. Notice I'm not saying who
ranks where, you can all place the ranking where you wish, but non
the less, still at the top of the heap.

Think about ho increadible this is with ALL the manufacturers out
there to still after all this time rank so high.

Oh, and by the way, you notice the troll went runing for the hills
when he read about his consumer camera being junk by actual useres.
 
I am not taunting anybody. Sarcastic humor doesn't go over well in this forum, though. This isn't a schoolyard, after all, but people are throwing tantrums. I'm nothing but glad that the S2 retained its value after all this time, and even after the S3 was announced. Honestly the S2 does resolve more detail than the D70, but the D70 is not the piece of junk some S2 owners state that it is. On the contrary, it is a very similar camera, with different strengths and weaknesses...and for my needs, it is a better camera, period.

Mark
But your inital post had everything but a schoolyard "na na nu na
na I've got a better camera than you" in it.

The best thing about the S2 is it's resale value?

You get what you give in many circumstances.

You have different needs than I do. I wish you well with your D70.
I'll be the judge of whether the D70 is up to the task of taking
picutres....thanks.

It's not as if I didn't expect the defensive reactions here. Trying
to trigger buyers remorse seems like a pathetic way to spend your
time.

I am done with this particular forum however, my experience with
the Fuji is over. See ya....
--
Greg S
--
http://www.mantarayarts.com
 
In the end having the highest resolution isn't my #1 priority. I don't agree that I've lost so much image quality so as to make a difference, I make a living off photography, and much of what the D70 offers improves my ability to get the job done...I'm not creating fine art, you see.

Having a more robust camera in terms of speed of operation makes a big difference to me. Storage issues, card write times, instant playback...these things really matter to me in a tangible way; my clients will not miss the extra quality...so what matters at the end of the day is really a subjective matter. I have nothing but respect for the quality achieved by Fuji's super-CCD.

Mark
...Resolution/Sharpness (both JPEG or RAW), dynamic range, ISO
performance, overall image integrity, etc.

You definitely may have purchased more "camera" per se (because of
the latest improvements in the D70, such as iTTL, for instance),
but, as far as image quality, you simply lost what really matters
and the end of the day, and went down in the performance scale
several steps.

Good luck with the D70, and happy shooting!
The resale value. I dumped my Fuji 12 hours after getting a Nikon
D70. The Fuji may squeeze a bit more detail out of each shot,
especially when using a sharp lens in the f/8-11 range...but the
D70 takes the Fuji S2 out to the shed in back and gives it a good
spanking in almost every other category.

Will I miss firewire? Not much, I hardly ever used it. USB 2.0 is
pretty fast. Will I miss a PC socket for flash? Not at all. How
about moire? I ran tests. If the D70 exhibits moire in a scene, so
does the S2. Oh well.

Things I will not miss: the batteries, Fuji RAW converter EX, lack
of review during card writes, 12+ megapixel RAW files, shutter
release dependent camera wake-up, short battery life, the cable
release, "track pattern" noise, "needling" artifacts in diagonal
lines, the crappy LCD, the tiny histogram, 7 second per RAW file
write times, the green cast.

I hope the Fuji S3 is a nice camera. If it is I'll probably buy
one. For now the Nikon D70 is just too much camera for the dollar
to feel good about owning a Fuji S2. Thankfully Fuji kept the price
of the S2 high, so I was able to sell it, and make a profit
switching to the D70.
--
 
This is a forum for long-time contributors only?
Did I say that? No, I merely point out that your exit is rather hasty considering your presence has been here for only so long... not very long.

Did I say that you...
I ran for the
hills? I am a troll?
No. My point was that this forum has survived for years without your presence and I'm sure it will last as much again without you. A couple of weeks of posting, in the bigger scheme, isn't a milestone in terms of contribution. Do you disagree?
I caught heat for my thread on Fred Miranda?
If you feel you didn't, that's fine: I feel the thread was heated... much of it directed at you (...none of it by me if my recollection is correct). I merely made a statement of fact as I see it. No biggie if you disagree.
Look, the S2 does have a great resale value...as do all Nikon-mount
DLSRs except perhaps the Kodak 14n. I'm not rubbing anything in.
Diagonal aliasing is a problem with the S2, I had a problem with
that, and that's what my FM thread was about. Other issues I've
cited are very real...the D70 is much faster than the S2, for
example. Indeed I came to this forum because DPreview members felt
the need to insult me for having an opinion...and the insults
continue.
You've missed the point entirely of my post if you feel I've attempted to put you down. Yes, there are people here who shoot first and ask questions later: they can be found in every walk of life. While I'm not perfect, I try to shoot over the bow before sinking ships. Quite frankly, if I wanted to tear a strip off of you, you'd know it. Next.
DPreview has a reputation for meanness, and for members accusing
others of being trolls prematurely. The fact remains that I owned
an S2, I sold it, I bought a D70, I'm happy, and I got a good price
for my S2.
DPReview offers some of the busier forums and, as such, things can get heated VERY quickly for a variety of reasons. Hypothetically, if 10% of the population is mean spirited and/or ignorant, 10% of a larger forum group means a larger number of meanies and idiots. Regardless of cause, I'm sure you know what is meant by the phrase "mob mentality".

Yes, the S2 has retained its value because, compared to current alternatives, the quality of the images is without peer for such a wide range of applications (it isn't perfect... but it's pretty good). Rest assured, as I wrote earlier, I hope you are happy with your new DSLR. It appears to be a fine one for many applications; I wouldn't be surprised if many S2 users pick one up as a second (or third) body. I understand you might be interested in an S3: perhaps we'll see you again under different circumstances... and maybe you'll stick around a little longer next time.
Like you, I agree that the S2 offers among the best 'imaging
capabilities' available in a DSLR today. The range of situations
it can handle is arguably its most impressive quality but its file
quality is very usable as a > 6MP image (diagonal aliasing being
its greatest weakness IMO). Yes, for an antique, its pictures are
still very good. In my book, a good picture is a good picture:
what century it was taken and how it was taken is of no consequence
from that perspective.

Why he felt compelled to point out to this group that he has moved
out of the S2 camp is beyond me. It's not like he is a long-time
contributor here. Anyway, for $999, the D70 is one of the better
deals around for a lot of folks: let's hope he's happy... but the
point of his post is... ambiguous.
It always amazes me how trolls can come over here and try to
convice hundreds of happy S2 owners that we made a mistake.
Am I the only one who is stll amazed at a camera that is an
"antique" in technology years ( that's not a sclam I'm making a
point here.)

This camera can still hold it's own after years on the market.
While both Nikon, and Canon have had years to improve Fuji still
ranks right up there, and has not been knocked off it's standing of
the top three cameras on the market. Notice I'm not saying who
ranks where, you can all place the ranking where you wish, but non
the less, still at the top of the heap.

Think about ho increadible this is with ALL the manufacturers out
there to still after all this time rank so high.

Oh, and by the way, you notice the troll went runing for the hills
when he read about his consumer camera being junk by actual useres.
 
I doesn't seem that we have any beef between us. I am done with the Fuji forum, simply because I sold my Fuji. For the time I owned this forum was indeed a useful resource. In reality I spend too much time online anyhow, when I should be taking pictures.
This is a forum for long-time contributors only?
Did I say that? No, I merely point out that your exit is rather
hasty considering your presence has been here for only so long...
not very long.

Did I say that you...
I ran for the
hills? I am a troll?
No. My point was that this forum has survived for years without
your presence and I'm sure it will last as much again without you.
A couple of weeks of posting, in the bigger scheme, isn't a
milestone in terms of contribution. Do you disagree?
I caught heat for my thread on Fred Miranda?
If you feel you didn't, that's fine: I feel the thread was
heated... much of it directed at you (...none of it by me if my
recollection is correct). I merely made a statement of fact as I
see it. No biggie if you disagree.
Look, the S2 does have a great resale value...as do all Nikon-mount
DLSRs except perhaps the Kodak 14n. I'm not rubbing anything in.
Diagonal aliasing is a problem with the S2, I had a problem with
that, and that's what my FM thread was about. Other issues I've
cited are very real...the D70 is much faster than the S2, for
example. Indeed I came to this forum because DPreview members felt
the need to insult me for having an opinion...and the insults
continue.
You've missed the point entirely of my post if you feel I've
attempted to put you down. Yes, there are people here who shoot
first and ask questions later: they can be found in every walk of
life. While I'm not perfect, I try to shoot over the bow before
sinking ships. Quite frankly, if I wanted to tear a strip off of
you, you'd know it. Next.
DPreview has a reputation for meanness, and for members accusing
others of being trolls prematurely. The fact remains that I owned
an S2, I sold it, I bought a D70, I'm happy, and I got a good price
for my S2.
DPReview offers some of the busier forums and, as such, things can
get heated VERY quickly for a variety of reasons. Hypothetically,
if 10% of the population is mean spirited and/or ignorant, 10% of a
larger forum group means a larger number of meanies and idiots.
Regardless of cause, I'm sure you know what is meant by the phrase
"mob mentality".

Yes, the S2 has retained its value because, compared to current
alternatives, the quality of the images is without peer for such a
wide range of applications (it isn't perfect... but it's pretty
good). Rest assured, as I wrote earlier, I hope you are happy with
your new DSLR. It appears to be a fine one for many applications;
I wouldn't be surprised if many S2 users pick one up as a second
(or third) body. I understand you might be interested in an S3:
perhaps we'll see you again under different circumstances... and
maybe you'll stick around a little longer next time.
Like you, I agree that the S2 offers among the best 'imaging
capabilities' available in a DSLR today. The range of situations
it can handle is arguably its most impressive quality but its file
quality is very usable as a > 6MP image (diagonal aliasing being
its greatest weakness IMO). Yes, for an antique, its pictures are
still very good. In my book, a good picture is a good picture:
what century it was taken and how it was taken is of no consequence
from that perspective.

Why he felt compelled to point out to this group that he has moved
out of the S2 camp is beyond me. It's not like he is a long-time
contributor here. Anyway, for $999, the D70 is one of the better
deals around for a lot of folks: let's hope he's happy... but the
point of his post is... ambiguous.
It always amazes me how trolls can come over here and try to
convice hundreds of happy S2 owners that we made a mistake.
Am I the only one who is stll amazed at a camera that is an
"antique" in technology years ( that's not a sclam I'm making a
point here.)

This camera can still hold it's own after years on the market.
While both Nikon, and Canon have had years to improve Fuji still
ranks right up there, and has not been knocked off it's standing of
the top three cameras on the market. Notice I'm not saying who
ranks where, you can all place the ranking where you wish, but non
the less, still at the top of the heap.

Think about ho increadible this is with ALL the manufacturers out
there to still after all this time rank so high.

Oh, and by the way, you notice the troll went runing for the hills
when he read about his consumer camera being junk by actual useres.
 
Mark: You responded to part of my post, but did not say whether you wanted the APS and/or Disc Camera.

Also, do you want me to take my SD9 and $10 lens outback to school you and the D70?

Look, just got back from the camera store after buying a new telescope. While there I played with the D70 - it is no D1x - BUT it is worlds ahead of MY Fuji S2 in many ways, not enough where I really need it. Still will use the D1 here and no where near in low light, the other place I need it to be.

Your post was just plain dumb, but I understand what you are saying.

People should really go play with the D70 - if the S3 is not worlds better image wise than the S2, the D70 will take tons of people from Fuji's loyal. The D70 is that good - for most applications.

So, how about taking the APS and Disc cameras off my hands?
 
useres.

--really dont think it does much. I would be really interested to see your galleries showing a comparison with your old useless fuji and the new wonder camera on the block.

In the end I guess it all comes back to the fact that I bought a fuji s2, had a minor (battery problem) early and am now learning to use the camera to its full potential (could take a while)

never noticed a green tinge, have taken thousands of photos more bad than good but then thats the photographer not the camera.

I come to the fuji forum and if i sold my camera for a nikon dslr i would go to the nikon forum and not bore people to death with my reasons for leaving.
http://www.pbase.com/arev
Vera
 
...Resolution/Sharpness (both JPEG or RAW), dynamic range, ISO
performance, overall image integrity, etc.
The S2 might be a bit better, but it definitely doesn't "blow" the D70 out of the water.

I've dowloadfed over a 100 D70 pics, & can't see all that difference. Just today I've shot with a colleague's S2.
You definitely may have purchased more "camera" per se (because of
the latest improvements in the D70, such as iTTL, for instance),
but, as far as image quality, you simply lost what really matters
and the end of the day, and went down in the performance scale
several steps.
Several Steps???

Come off it, ferenc, you KNOW that is not correct. The S2 might be a bit better, but only a bit.

--
Joe Farrugia
 

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