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Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150 photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to 1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400) and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67 Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on $12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00 glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more. Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format 4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.

My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable. I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time to time.

Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
 
Nice post! Could not agree more.
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
--
Gregg
'Define yourself through your art, not your equipment'
 
Thanks for your balanced input.

I note from some other posts that people have been trying to get problems. Try hard enough & they will always come up with some (perceived) promblem

PH
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
 
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
Shhhhhh... is that applause and cheering I hear. This post goes to show there are some sensible people outhere, who understand the challenges of photograpy as well as its rewards.

BRAVO........
 
ROCK and ROLL!!! Unfortunately most think it's cool to find fault with things... like making fun of someone you don't know.
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
 
Hi strat -

You sound like you might be an old timer, like me
(40 years 35mm and medium format, 6 years digicams).

You should be thrilled with your D70. I am. Even my
15-year-old AF Nikkors work BETTER with it than they
do with my Nikon of the same vintage (8008).
Be sure to get the outfit with the 18-70, though!

Other than slightly dodgy setup instructions and
dubious included software, my only complaint so far
is that the AWB in Full-Auto-P&S mode is too blue.
This is easily corrected by user-adjustable settings
in all other modes, however. I am using Program
mode quite a bit. (We would have considered THAT
"full auto" and then some, in olden days.) I expect
Nikon will release an updated firmware before long
that will fix the AWB in Full-Auto, too.

Build seems solid; handling is terrific; speed is best in
class; control is extremely flexible; pop-up flash is super;
images are great; even the appearance is first-rate!
What more can you ask for at the price point?

Regards, Ed
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
 
stratcat55 said:
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
Excellent ramble!

I've been amused by some of the comments and threads here. Like people wondering if the D70 was suitable for sports. Gimme a break. Back when I was in college in the 60s I shot sports using a Pentax Spotmatic and a Honeywell potato-masher flash indoors (also available light using Tri-X), and various lenses including slow Novoflex lenses for outdoor sports. Given the ISO speeds, lenses and flashes available for the D70, sure it can shoot sports!

I've just begun to play with my new D70. There is so much to explore before I feel I'm familiar with it and it becomes an extension of what I want to do. But it feels good as I practice with it indoors shooting flash photos of my dogs. Very responsive, the finder is clear with my thick glasses, it doesn't have shutter lag (the main reason I decided to upgrade from my 4500), and it's almost endlessly configurable.

The moire and color shift "problems" do not look significant to me so far. I haven't seen any moire looking closely at the dogs' fur. Maybe other patterns will show it more, in which case it's something I'll have to deal with. And worrying about something that only happens at ISO 200 and 1/4000 or 1/8000 just doesn't concern me.

So far I'm a happy camper.
--
--Bob
 
For some of us that used equipment before "auto" we know that using a tool takes some time. I have had mine for about a week. I have seen none of the issues that I see the posts for.

Thank you very much for the voice of reason.

TR Fox
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
 
This is funny. My name is Bob too, and I'm getting used to my camera taking indoors flash photos of my dog! If you tell me that you have a Springer Spaniel it will be too weird...
Robert Cohen said:
Robert Cohen said:
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
Excellent ramble!

I've been amused by some of the comments and threads here. Like
people wondering if the D70 was suitable for sports. Gimme a
break. Back when I was in college in the 60s I shot sports using a
Pentax Spotmatic and a Honeywell potato-masher flash indoors (also
available light using Tri-X), and various lenses including slow
Novoflex lenses for outdoor sports. Given the ISO speeds, lenses
and flashes available for the D70, sure it can shoot sports!

I've just begun to play with my new D70. There is so much to
explore before I feel I'm familiar with it and it becomes an
extension of what I want to do. But it feels good as I practice
with it indoors shooting flash photos of my dogs. Very responsive,
the finder is clear with my thick glasses, it doesn't have shutter
lag (the main reason I decided to upgrade from my 4500), and it's
almost endlessly configurable.

The moire and color shift "problems" do not look significant to me
so far. I haven't seen any moire looking closely at the dogs' fur.
Maybe other patterns will show it more, in which case it's
something I'll have to deal with. And worrying about something
that only happens at ISO 200 and 1/4000 or 1/8000 just doesn't
concern me.

So far I'm a happy camper.
--
--Bob
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Hi, and thank you for you post! I'm a total beginner in photography but I've decided to buy the D70. I, when I see post like "Omg, horrible D70 pics & problems here and there", I get very concerned because of the fact I have no clue what the problem really is. This post helped me to understand I should give rat's ass about those posts. I really can't wait to get more familiar with this camera!
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
 
You mean..."Could not agree moire..."

HAHAHAHAHA!

Great post, I totally agree!

-Steve
GreggWeir said:
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
--
Gregg
'Define yourself through your art, not your equipment'
Click to expand...
 
Very true. A lot of over-analyzing based on some odd conditions or poor technique. The Sony 828 was very maligned especially by Canon owners, but there have been absolutely stunning photos displayed with that camera. It may well be the best of the 8mp's from pics I see, although none of the 8mp's seem to be all that great. The DCRP site has test shots with D70, and I think they are great. The kit lens appears to have low CA, looking at the interior church shot lights etc, comparing it to the higher end Canon 1D mark II, which shows more CA IMO. I still like no CA at all, and don't know what a high grade film camera would show in the same shot. Maybe this is why people are still paying good prices for the top end film cameras. Another comment I have is that it seems some people who buy a certain brand act like they have bought stock in the company and their opinion is very biased. This seems particularly true of the Canon folks, why I don't know. It just a camera, there will be better competing models coming out forever.
stratcat55 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am a professional photographer in PA. and have been reading about
all the problems with the D70. It seems the biggest problem with it
is people don't read the instruction manual. Most of the shots
taken are poorly exposed to begin with, shot directly into the sun
at 8,000 sec etc. and not paying even the slighest attention to
whats going on in the viewfinder as far as metering goes.Oh but the
way, it looks like the meter comes from the Nikon F5 and the
focusing system from the N90 film cameras. Two of some of the best
Nikon has to offer. Then cry because because you loose one in 150
photos. In the 25 years I've been shooting, i've NEVER needed to
shoot at 1/8000 sec. Way back most cameras only went to
1/500-1/1000 sec. I have also shot sports from time to time. As
with the morie pattern i've gotten it on film (Kodak Portra 400)
and had to re-shoot with the people wearing different clothing
because I got morie and a magenta shift. That's with a Mamiya RB 67
Pro S medium format camera! I've even seen it on rare instances on
$12,000 digital medium format backs. Color fringing? Buy better
glass. Don't expect to get wonderfull results with slow $200.00
glass blow it up on your monitor to 150-200% and not see color
fringing and blooming in the highlights. Remember you are not
buying a $4500.00 professional camera but a consumer machine. I
think half of the doom sayers are Canon guys having buyers remorse
or sour grapes or something. A camera is just a tool nothing more.
Remember not that long ago people were buying 1-2 MP cameras for
what the D70 and Drebel cost just to make low quality 4x6 prints. I
manually meter and focus with everything from 35mm to large format
4x5 to high end digital. I even have a slow Olympus E20 that I get
stunning product photos with. I am planning on getting a D70 in a
few weeks for some of my quicky stuff.
My point is don't sweat the small stuff that is easily correctable.
I have much more expensive gear that will give me trouble from time
to time.
Sorry about the ramble. I would like to see and here from peolpe
who have a clue as to how to make a photograph for a change.
Click to expand...
 
Just to add one more fault. I wonder how many of them are familiar with their own Computer capability? Any bad picture they assume it is the fault of D70 instead of trying to understand whether their PC could be the culprit or perhaps the USB connection....
 
Old Ed said:
Hi strat -

You sound like you might be an old timer, like me
(40 years 35mm and medium format, 6 years digicams).

You should be thrilled with your D70. I am. Even my
15-year-old AF Nikkors work BETTER with it than they
do with my Nikon of the same vintage (8008).
Be sure to get the outfit with the 18-70, though!
Click to expand...
--------------------------------------------------

Forgive the off-track pls, but I am right on the edge for D70 and have N8008 with more "common" Nikkors.
28-85mm f3.5-4.5
70-210mm f4.0-5.6

I was hoping to minimize initial cost of buying "kit" but am listening to people like yourself.

Other than 1.5x issues (old Nikkors), why do you feel strongly about the "kit" lens?

TMc
 
Old Ed said:
Hi strat -

You sound like you might be an old timer, like me
(40 years 35mm and medium format, 6 years digicams).

You should be thrilled with your D70. I am. Even my
15-year-old AF Nikkors work BETTER with it than they
do with my Nikon of the same vintage (8008).
Be sure to get the outfit with the 18-70, though!
Click to expand...
--------------------------------
Other "For" post was for Old Ed, but anyone is welcome.
TMc
 
stratcat55 & Old Ed, I couldn't concur more!

My two bits: Okay, so there's a problem with the new D70. And from various messages that have been posted this can be fixed in post production (sorry it might take a couple more minutes). Some of you want instant success without working for it.

Get some perspective here.

Perhaps a few of you will remember some years ago when taking photos included having to be aware of things:

Processing - water temp, chemical replenishment, uneven agitation, bubbles, etc. Different developers for types of ASA (oops, ISO) Freshness of fixer and time to ensure it is properly fixed. Washing with hypo eliminator, etc., making sure washing has taken out all the fixer. Making sure the dryer isn't to hot to melt the emulsion. And if you pushed (or pull) the film has a horrible problem of grain (so today we trade for noise). You had to live with it! Push film, it gets grainy!

Printing - Multiple prints trying to get it just right. Graded papers, variable contrast papers & filters. Dodging and burning with multiple prints trying to get it right. Washing the prints so that it won't have yellow fixer stains. Or printing with the negs wet to meet deadline. And retouching the prints; don't get me started.

And for a very select few, no motor drives. One shot to get the action.

I attended the first digital workshop held at Martha's Vineyard in October 1989. We produced the first all digital newspaper from out of two small conference rooms at a hotel. Those first cameras were a joke! I still have the disk needed to take photos. And it was raised by me the need to archive the digital photos, which had been looked over by every one of the manufacturers (camera companies and software developers). At this time film was the better medium, but the potential was fascinating!

Digital keeps getting better all the time. I'm finally convinced that it is just as good as film today. And it will keep getting better all the time.

An example: When I was trained as a combat-aerial photog in the military in 1972, I was trained with a Nikon F, Leica, and 4x5 press camera. Fourteen years ago while working as a photojournalist I had to drive one way to cover a college basketball game while on deadline. I had literally 7 minutes to shoot the game (including timeouts). Drive back to the newspaper, process the film and print. Today my fellow photogs edit their shoot on the camera while sitting on the sideline during TV timeout. Plug a cord from camera to cell phone and transmit the image to the paper, where a photo editor takes it through photoshop and outputs it to the press in a minute.

Times change, and either you adjust with it or become a dinosaur and enter into extinction.

Soooo, there's a problem that has a little post production to correct it that will take a couple of minutes. Adjust! Things will change and improve.

Believe me every cent is important to many of us, but is the price of waiting worth it? Any new product has problems. Charge ahead and adjust, or wait for the next update.

Hey, take some photos!
 
Not moire, some minor jaggie, if your connection is not good or interference if your USB connection is from a multiple hub that are connected to other peripherals that are accidently active. PC and connection can possibly cause picture defect, but not all the defects.
ZH said:
How could one's USB connection possibly contribute to moire?
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I have don't have near the experience you have but enough bad experiences with film to heartily agree with what you are saying. The problems with digital are nothing compared to film problems from my limited experience. I used to shoot the same basketball games in the Pit (Albuq.) and took them to the same lab (a Pro lab yet) and it seemed like they always looked a little different. I shot a wedding and found out afterward I had bad film (thank goodness I also shot with my digital). In sports photography I wasted a lot of money developing unacceptable shots that now I just delete. I don't mind fixing problems on the computer and I really believe Nikon has high standards so I won't have to do much fixin.

I am an owner of the Sony 828 (waiting for my D70) so I went though the same typical anxiety many may be going through on the D70 because of the negative posts. I now love this camera and am really debating if I should sell it or keep it. I bought it because I don't like changing lenses or lugging a lot of gear when I am on vacation with my wife. So when we go to Hawaii next fall will I be able to leave my D70 at home while I take my Sony on a once in a lifetime vacation? I guess I will just start looking for some bigger camera bags!
oldphotog said:
stratcat55 & Old Ed, I couldn't concur more!

My two bits: Okay, so there's a problem with the new D70. And from
various messages that have been posted this can be fixed in post
production (sorry it might take a couple more minutes). Some of you
want instant success without working for it.

Get some perspective here.

Perhaps a few of you will remember some years ago when taking
photos included having to be aware of things:

Processing - water temp, chemical replenishment, uneven agitation,
bubbles, etc. Different developers for types of ASA (oops, ISO)
Freshness of fixer and time to ensure it is properly fixed. Washing
with hypo eliminator, etc., making sure washing has taken out all
the fixer. Making sure the dryer isn't to hot to melt the emulsion.
And if you pushed (or pull) the film has a horrible problem of
grain (so today we trade for noise). You had to live with it! Push
film, it gets grainy!

Printing - Multiple prints trying to get it just right. Graded
papers, variable contrast papers & filters. Dodging and burning
with multiple prints trying to get it right. Washing the prints so
that it won't have yellow fixer stains. Or printing with the negs
wet to meet deadline. And retouching the prints; don't get me
started.

And for a very select few, no motor drives. One shot to get the
action.

I attended the first digital workshop held at Martha's Vineyard in
October 1989. We produced the first all digital newspaper from out
of two small conference rooms at a hotel. Those first cameras were
a joke! I still have the disk needed to take photos. And it was
raised by me the need to archive the digital photos, which had been
looked over by every one of the manufacturers (camera companies and
software developers). At this time film was the better medium, but
the potential was fascinating!

Digital keeps getting better all the time. I'm finally convinced
that it is just as good as film today. And it will keep getting
better all the time.

An example: When I was trained as a combat-aerial photog in the
military in 1972, I was trained with a Nikon F, Leica, and 4x5
press camera. Fourteen years ago while working as a photojournalist
I had to drive one way to cover a college basketball game while on
deadline. I had literally 7 minutes to shoot the game (including
timeouts). Drive back to the newspaper, process the film and print.
Today my fellow photogs edit their shoot on the camera while
sitting on the sideline during TV timeout. Plug a cord from camera
to cell phone and transmit the image to the paper, where a photo
editor takes it through photoshop and outputs it to the press in a
minute.

Times change, and either you adjust with it or become a dinosaur
and enter into extinction.

Soooo, there's a problem that has a little post production to
correct it that will take a couple of minutes. Adjust! Things will
change and improve.

Believe me every cent is important to many of us, but is the price
of waiting worth it? Any new product has problems. Charge ahead and
adjust, or wait for the next update.

Hey, take some photos!
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