Nikon Capture should be free

I have no problem paying for software if it is useful, but frankly I think this should be included with the camera. $99 US means they are not really making money from it, the cost to every camera if bundled would be closer to $20... if that.

But living in Australia means you get to pay pretty obscene markups - I just had a quote for $312 Aussie dollars from my local store - considering I can get it from B+H for $130 AUD or so, I think that is exactly what I will do.

Assuming there are no licensing gotchas, like invalid outside of USA or something???

Two and one half times the price! Sheesh.

regards,

David F.
Melbourne, Australia.
 
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you are defending Canon today. You know as well as I do that you
ARE paying for your software AND ac adapter when you purchase you
Canon. FUnny how we change sides when we change brands.

Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
http://www.pbase.com/greggebhardt
.... Greg, my move to Canon was against my will. But almost instantly I realised that the 1D and the Canon backup were exactly what I wanted exactly what Nikon should have been.

I had the misconception that Canon were actually worse than Nikon and with some justification, they do not have quality control and rely on tight manufacturing tolerances to force ‘within spec’ manufacturing for instance ~ a recipe for busy service centres.

They were less loyal to customers and released new models instead of fixing the old, but over time I realised that this was a better option than Nikon’s silent upgrading for instance, a practice I once approved of but one which did not actually work for me when my hour of need arose.

And then one sees the technology available the price issues just fade away ~ the 1D for instance arrived with the 550EX flash sporting E-TTL and a time that Nikon were still using the SB gun and found out it would not work with D-TTL so the DX gun was introduced. Then the D2h arrived with iTTL and an SB00 gun has been introduced, but Canon’s MK11 is now sporting ETTL11 and D (distance) and they need not introduce a new flashgun ~ thus saving me personally about €600 on an upgrade path.

This is just one example of product that was available to Nikon for over three years, yet they chose not to implement it.

The 1D arrived with banding, noise and split processor alignment issues. With the exception for a few very early models, which needed hardware changes, the vast majority were satisfactorily corrected via a user downloadable firmware, again a technology available to Nikon for over three years, why did they deny actually denied that firmware was even possible?

Yes I defended Nikon, I had chosen Nikon over Canon and firmly believed that technology was the limiting factor, I then discover that the technology was readily available, that is that the solutions were third or fourth party and available off the shelf for a fee, in my mind, Nikon did not only NOT buy the best available but were deliberately denying us its use.

I’d have paid Nikon DOUBLE for the 1D in a D1x/h body the D2h is still not it close mind you but as close as it could have been two years ago too but obviously not as cheap.
 
you are defending Canon today. You know as well as I do that you
ARE paying for your software AND ac adapter when you purchase you
Canon. FUnny how we change sides when we change brands.

Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
http://www.pbase.com/greggebhardt
.... Greg, my move to Canon was against my will. But almost
instantly I realised that the 1D and the Canon backup were exactly
what I wanted exactly what Nikon should have been.

I had the misconception that Canon were actually worse than Nikon
and with some justification, they do not have quality control and
rely on tight manufacturing tolerances to force ‘within spec’
manufacturing for instance ~ a recipe for busy service centres.

They were less loyal to customers and released new models instead
of fixing the old, but over time I realised that this was a better
option than Nikon’s silent upgrading for instance, a practice I
once approved of but one which did not actually work for me when my
hour of need arose.

And then one sees the technology available the price issues just
fade away ~ the 1D for instance arrived with the 550EX flash
sporting E-TTL and a time that Nikon were still using the SB gun
and found out it would not work with D-TTL so the DX gun was
introduced. Then the D2h arrived with iTTL and an SB00 gun has been
introduced, but Canon’s MK11 is now sporting ETTL11 and D
(distance) and they need not introduce a new flashgun ~ thus saving
me personally about €600 on an upgrade path.

This is just one example of product that was available to Nikon for
over three years, yet they chose not to implement it.

The 1D arrived with banding, noise and split processor alignment
issues. With the exception for a few very early models, which
needed hardware changes, the vast majority were satisfactorily
corrected via a user downloadable firmware, again a technology
available to Nikon for over three years, why did they deny actually
denied that firmware was even possible?

Yes I defended Nikon, I had chosen Nikon over Canon and firmly
believed that technology was the limiting factor, I then discover
that the technology was readily available, that is that the
solutions were third or fourth party and available off the shelf
for a fee, in my mind, Nikon did not only NOT buy the best
available but were deliberately denying us its use.

I’d have paid Nikon DOUBLE for the 1D in a D1x/h body the D2h is
still not it close mind you but as close as it could have been
two years ago too but obviously not as cheap.
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no matter what brand. I have used the 1d and it's quite nice. Canon has one heck of a selection of lenses!

Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
http://www.pbase.com/greggebhardt
 
if you only knew what I paid for my D1x when it came out (well, I guess you know).

Come from Mont Blanc or Rolex if you wish, with little golden certificates, wooden box and velvet pouch YES, YES. That is quality.

Regards

Raul
it is a matter of "touch", a scent of a good product, elegance. Top
notch products come complete and they are proud of that.
Camera is a part of the system. Let it come with a Heidelberg, ah?
We are low grade meat for Nikon and I hope they do not read your
post because we may end up paying for cables, straps, caps and the
rest.
"low grade meat" :)
Nikon straps... :))
I have always asked myself what if u buy a 3000 dollar camera (1x)
and you cannot open raw because you don't have the little sh.. to
open them with (unless you pay). Raw is part of the camera and
opening them is part of the camera NOT an option. O boy!
Use Nikon View. You are not at first D1 days, when NV was not
dealing with NEFs, and I bought NC 1 for $500

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I clean my CCD on the D1x by using the 30 sec shutter speed.
I don't need Luck . I do it on a regular basis. You have some
experience that you can share that would make this approach
invalid??
This isn't a dig but one of the reasons for using the AC adapter
rather than bulb is because when you use bulb the CCD is charged.
No, it's not. The CCD is a "Charge coupled device", not a "charged" device. For example, the data sheet for the Spny ICX413AQ sensor used in the D100 is very specific on this, the device operates on 15V.
As it's the charge that attracts the dust, this makes it more
difficult to remove dust and more likely to attract dust while you
have the CCD exposed to the elements.
15 volts, behind two insulating layers of Lithium Niobate and a metalic coated glass IR cut filter will attract absolutly nothing.

The 30 second shutter speed, with a fully charged battery, is, in my opinion, the safest way to clean a D100 (D70 is another story, and a better one).

If you clean a D100 (or, if memory serves, D1X or D1H) in "mirror lockup mode", the shutter will close instantly if there is a glitch inthe AC power.

If you clean on "bulb" with a locking cable release, the shutter will close instantly if the release pops off. This has happened to me with D100 so many times during actual shoots that I consider it to be a very real possability during cleaning.

If you clean on 30 seconds, with a fresh charged battery, the shutter is going to stay open for 30 seconds, unless someone runs up and switches off the camera or removes the battery.

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Ciao!

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http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Thanks for the post Joe,

Glad that others have done some homework rather than to just repeat what has been repeated....

Another advantage of the 30sec option is that, one does NOT have to mess around with plugging in the adapter, then changing the menu option, resetting the menu option, then a test. I open the shutter, swab, attach a lens, shoot, upload, verify, repeat as necessary. A few less steps is always a good thing.

Ron
I clean my CCD on the D1x by using the 30 sec shutter speed.
I don't need Luck . I do it on a regular basis. You have some
experience that you can share that would make this approach
invalid??
This isn't a dig but one of the reasons for using the AC adapter
rather than bulb is because when you use bulb the CCD is charged.
No, it's not. The CCD is a "Charge coupled device", not a "charged"
device. For example, the data sheet for the Spny ICX413AQ sensor
used in the D100 is very specific on this, the device operates on
15V.
As it's the charge that attracts the dust, this makes it more
difficult to remove dust and more likely to attract dust while you
have the CCD exposed to the elements.
15 volts, behind two insulating layers of Lithium Niobate and a
metalic coated glass IR cut filter will attract absolutly nothing.

The 30 second shutter speed, with a fully charged battery, is, in
my opinion, the safest way to clean a D100 (D70 is another story,
and a better one).

If you clean a D100 (or, if memory serves, D1X or D1H) in "mirror
lockup mode", the shutter will close instantly if there is a glitch
inthe AC power.

If you clean on "bulb" with a locking cable release, the shutter
will close instantly if the release pops off. This has happened to
me with D100 so many times during actual shoots that I consider it
to be a very real possability during cleaning.

If you clean on 30 seconds, with a fresh charged battery, the
shutter is going to stay open for 30 seconds, unless someone runs
up and switches off the camera or removes the battery.

--
A cyberstalker told me not to post anymore...
So I'm posting even more!

Ciao!

Joe

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
it is possible to maintain an air of objectivity regardless of
which side of the camera fence you sit on. just not all do so...

Ger's transformation has been an interesting one...

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-marek
I've rarely seen someone who is so obsessed with One manufacture. I, personally like many!

That new epson/leica sure looks like fun, but too bad it's got even MORE lens limitations than most anything out with the 1.5x factor. Now THERE is a serious limitation. Don't count on Leica to make a 12mm lens. If they do, it's going to cost as much as a CAR!

Ron
 
Hi Ron,

I searched your thread history, but I can't find the thread where you mentioned this. My fiance is a student, so I was going to go for the student pricing ($280), but I'd love to hear how to get it for $250. Every extra bit saved goes towards other equipment!

Thanks.

Ron Frank wrote:
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I posed a thread a while back on how to pick up PS CS for about
$250 LEGALLY (full version, not student, NOT OEM)! Find the
thread, and it can save you hundreds.
 
Does that piece actually time out or is is just the editor that times out?
Pentax also has a free remote control s/w for its DSLR camera, why
Nikon still charge us for the Capture!
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'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
 
The software probably should be free with high-end cameras!

Condier though that we've been using what is quite possibly the best RAW software on the market (yes it does compete with Capture One in both quality and features) now for 4 generations.

Note that Canon has been giving away less then average software with their high-end cameras and Fuji gives an average product away with cameras and then charges for the full featured pro version...

So if you consider what you're getting then the free plug-in for Photoshop that comes with the Nikon bodies really is not much worse then what the competition is giving you and the full featured RAW product is actually better then what they're giving you.

Basically my point is you get what you pay for and the trend of giving the good software away with the camera was only started with the Nikon D1x and is something being tried by Canon right now.

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'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
 
Consider not Condier!
The software probably should be free with high-end cameras!

Condier though that we've been using what is quite possibly the
best RAW software on the market (yes it does compete with Capture
One in both quality and features) now for 4 generations.

Note that Canon has been giving away less then average software
with their high-end cameras and Fuji gives an average product away
with cameras and then charges for the full featured pro version...

So if you consider what you're getting then the free plug-in for
Photoshop that comes with the Nikon bodies really is not much worse
then what the competition is giving you and the full featured RAW
product is actually better then what they're giving you.

Basically my point is you get what you pay for and the trend of
giving the good software away with the camera was only started with
the Nikon D1x and is something being tried by Canon right now.

--
'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share
with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
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'The only real currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're being uncool.' -- Cameron Crowe
 
I was aware of the costs prior to my purchase ... and I use PS CS
and find no need for NC ...
The fact that there are photogs like you who use PS CS or other competitors and not NC is exactly why Nikon should not include it with the camera. If you are not going to use NC, why should Nikon include it in the box and add to the costs of the camera. I think Nikon is right to make NC stand on its own and prove its worth as a separate product. I love it and I think Canon users would be thrilled if Canon's "free software" were as great as NC.

Your argument is analogous to people who whine about not getting a good sized CF card in the camera box. Most of us have lots of CF cards and would rather not have one adding to the cost of our camera.
 
I own 3 Nikon DSLR's

Why should I have to buy 3 copies of Capture.

Nothing is free it would be built into the price
Pentax also has a free remote control s/w for its DSLR camera, why
Nikon still charge us for the Capture!
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... and the newest version is supposedly right up there with Capture One DSLR.
Ken
NC is another story though. Remember that is software with a
limited target market (ie NEF users, much smaller than photoshop,
neatimage or whatever else), its a very flexible program that lets
you do heaps and then look at the development cost. It would be
nice to have free, though you do have limited functionality
available with Nikon Editor in NView as well as converters in
photoshop etc. So its not all as you put it. And including it would
put up the price of the cameras (how much I don't know).
I'd rather see reasonable prices for add on merchandise that could
be considered essential ... $100 bucks for an AC adapter that does
the same job as as a Radio Shack $10 item ???... Nikon should wear
a mask and carry a gun when quoting those prices.

and selling a product with a feature ( RAW ) that requires an
additional overpriced software purchase to utilize that feature is
wrong ... NC ain't worth $100 bucks.

nothing is free ... including happy repeat customers.

Regards,
Mike

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http://www.iso1600.neostrada.pl/
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I own 3 Nikon DSLR's

Why should I have to buy 3 copies of Capture.
... and you'd be giving Nikon more profits, in fact you should donate regularly and not buy anything, just send $500 bills every two months or so to ease your conscience.

I, on the other hand, think Nikon should PAY me to use their stuff.
 
Both Canon and Pentax come with the s/w can remote control their cameras with similar price range like Nikon. Even the cheap $900 300D has the Canon Utilities. How much the D1x, D2H and D100 are selling? Where is the remote control in Nikon View?

I know nothing is free. But will Nikon cut back the s/w cost and sell you a cheaper D2h? I doubt.
Why should I have to buy 3 copies of Capture.

Nothing is free it would be built into the price
Pentax also has a free remote control s/w for its DSLR camera, why
Nikon still charge us for the Capture!
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Shad
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What piano should I buy if I want to play like Mozart?

...Kit in profile...
...pbase supporter...
...Nikonians supporter...
...Charter Member Team Yellow Hands...
 
Huh? I'm not sure about Pentax, but Canon gives you cr*p s/w -- except maybe the highend 1D/1Ds models.

I don't have my D70 just yet, but my impression that Nikon gives you much better free s/w than Canon does. Canon's free stuff is a joke really. I haven't heard too many users both p&s and DSLRs using the free Canon s/w for more than a few frustrating tries before going w/ 3rd party. I have a G3 and use BreezeBrowser for the occasional RAW myself. And if you want remote capture capability, you'll be paying for that also on Canon side. Such a combined solution from Breeze would cost more than Nikon Capture, and I get the feeling that NC is still better than BB as RAW conversion/fine-tuning software.

Man
I know nothing is free. But will Nikon cut back the s/w cost and
sell you a cheaper D2h? I doubt.
Why should I have to buy 3 copies of Capture.

Nothing is free it would be built into the price
Pentax also has a free remote control s/w for its DSLR camera, why
Nikon still charge us for the Capture!
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Shad
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See profile for more + some basic photog resources.
As usual, YMMV + caveat emptor.
Contact me at [email protected]
Indulge my fancies at http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
 
I, on the other hand, think Nikon should PAY me to use their stuff.
And I thought Nikon was paying you to use Canon stuff. I can't imagine how many Nikon cameras your constant trolling has sold, or how many Canon sales have been lost because of you.

All those people, almost ready to buy Canon, until they read your rants, and thought "if it attracts someone like this, there must be somethign really wrong with it".

You're the Jon Wildmon of camera sales.

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Ciao!

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http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Just go to Bearshare or Shareaza and search for a copy someone is sharing. I have it and updated it to 4.1 and it works fine. It is free, maybe not legal, but it works.
they raise the price or the D70 by $200 of cut another $200 of
features and quality out of the D70? Nothing is free.
I'd rather see reasonable prices for add on merchandise that could
be considered essential ... $100 bucks for an AC adapter that does
the same job as as a Radio Shack $10 item ???... Nikon should wear
a mask and carry a gun when quoting those prices.

and selling a product with a feature ( RAW ) that requires an
additional overpriced software purchase to utilize that feature is
wrong ... NC ain't worth $100 bucks.

nothing is free ... including happy repeat customers.

Regards,
Mike

--
'shoot early, shoot often'
 

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