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Pro 1 vs. 300D
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One shudders at the risk to answer the questions that you pose because they verge on the brink of some fiendish jocularity of the slap stick type .
But nevertheless to answer your question in all sincerity:
1. The PRO1 will definitely not replace the 300D, but it may persuade some 300D owners to switch horses to the p&s PRO1.
2. Quite a few of the prospective buyers of the PRO1 may be motivated by the erraneous illusion that 8 MP are better than 6 MP 'per se'. When the reality shock has got them back to earth they will trade in their PRO1 to get the 300 D kit. Then they will advance to L-Lenses, increasing the weight of their photo bag. Fortunately this will be amply compensated by loss of weight in purse. ('Law of constant weight'). The members of this species will continue to buy into the Canon D-series ending up with loads of equipment until common sense sets in and they will buy the PRO2 eventually.
Hope that helps,
Guenter
KRDV
Leading Member
Steve Norton190199
Senior Member
...although the pro1 samples look great, in fact very impressive compared to the nikon and sony 8mp cams you cannot control the DOF like you can with a 300D. Try these shots with a pro1 and you will have everything in focus.
http://www.pbase.com/stevieboroboy/redcar_beach
I have a s50 and it became so fustrating trying to control DOF that I had to get a 300D to do it properly. If you want everything im focus shots then the pro1 is your answer but if you want to control that aspect totally then you must have DSLR.
I hope this helps
Steve
http://www.pbase.com/stevieboroboy/redcar_beach
I have a s50 and it became so fustrating trying to control DOF that I had to get a 300D to do it properly. If you want everything im focus shots then the pro1 is your answer but if you want to control that aspect totally then you must have DSLR.
I hope this helps
Steve
webdivauk
Forum Enthusiast
I've been wondering about this as I was very surpised how close in price the two cameras are.
Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and vice versa, in plain speak
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and vice versa, in plain speak
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Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
MBlackburn
Leading Member
P&S Pro1? Cannot control the DOF with a Pro1?
Dont agree with either of these statements - the Pro1 can be used as a P&S of course, as can any DSLR out there, but does a lot more than just that. As to control of DOF, please check out Matrco's excellent Pro1 pics on here
Regards,
Mike (Pro1 and DSLR user, as well as an excellent Canon P&S)
http://www.mikeblackburn.com
Dont agree with either of these statements - the Pro1 can be used as a P&S of course, as can any DSLR out there, but does a lot more than just that. As to control of DOF, please check out Matrco's excellent Pro1 pics on here
Regards,
Mike (Pro1 and DSLR user, as well as an excellent Canon P&S)
--Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I
thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly
confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
--
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
http://www.mikeblackburn.com
Ahti Stellberg
Member
When i make my decision few weeks ago and start upgrage my G5 , i have two alternatives 300D and Pro1.
Pro1 wins because i want compact size,nice photo and pics are sufficient for me.
This not means that 300D was bad camera, but its not for me, maybe next year if i wanna upgrade again and wanna play with many different objective.
-As
Pro1 wins because i want compact size,nice photo and pics are sufficient for me.
This not means that 300D was bad camera, but its not for me, maybe next year if i wanna upgrade again and wanna play with many different objective.
-As
--Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I
thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly
confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
--
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
http://www.mikeblackburn.com
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David Martin
Guest
Natural light low-light photography is the biggest area where a DSLR is ahead, and shallow DOF.
Convenience and portability go to the Pro1
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
Convenience and portability go to the Pro1
--Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I
thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly
confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
--
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
What stands out as much as low light & noiseless high ISO shooting with a DSLR is AF time..........the DSLR focuses in lightning speed compared to the Pro1 or G series cameras.......a huge advantage for ANY type of action photography, and really a nice feature for ANY type of photography.
These cameras are indeed very different animals, both sharing their own strengths & weaknesses.
CHIA
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David Martin
Guest
You are correct, of course - that slipped my mind!
Interestingly, one of my pals is just using a 300D after having owned a 10D, waiting to trade up, and finds the 300D performs just fine - a lot of the complaints about it are pretty mis-conceived.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
Interestingly, one of my pals is just using a 300D after having owned a 10D, waiting to trade up, and finds the 300D performs just fine - a lot of the complaints about it are pretty mis-conceived.
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Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
Olga Johnson
Forum Pro
The Pro 1 has a fixed lens. The 300D has an interchangeable lens system (it's a digital SLR) where the possibilities are numerous. Price wise they are not equal as the 300D needs at least one more lens (in addition to the kit lens) to cover the range that the Pro 1 fixed lens covers.Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
In my view, the 300D sacrifices features for image quality. The Pro 1 sacrifices image quality for features.
The 300D has less difficulty in low light situations and is much better for action shots. It can handle all other shots admirably as the Pro 1 can.
What you choose has to be based on what your wants and needs are. If you are adverse to hauling at least a couple of lenses plus the camera with you, then you should be looking at a fixed lens system. If image quality and less noisy pictures or if you take a lot of low light pictures, then you would be better off with a dSLR.
It's all up to you, not others.
Olga
webdivauk
Forum Enthusiast
Thanks for your comments Olga, greatly appreciated. I've promised myself that I would invest in a better camera once I have taught myself how to use the different settings on my A80, what you've written has certainly given me food for thought!
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
--The Pro 1 has a fixed lens. The 300D has an interchangeable lensCan someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
system (it's a digital SLR) where the possibilities are numerous.
Price wise they are not equal as the 300D needs at least one more
lens (in addition to the kit lens) to cover the range that the Pro
1 fixed lens covers.
In my view, the 300D sacrifices features for image quality. The Pro
1 sacrifices image quality for features.
The 300D has less difficulty in low light situations and is much
better for action shots. It can handle all other shots admirably as
the Pro 1 can.
What you choose has to be based on what your wants and needs are.
If you are adverse to hauling at least a couple of lenses plus the
camera with you, then you should be looking at a fixed lens system.
If image quality and less noisy pictures or if you take a lot of
low light pictures, then you would be better off with a dSLR.
It's all up to you, not others.
Olga
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
One camera will not replace the other b ecause they are worlds apart in capabilities, even if the Pro1 were 12mp and the 300D were 3 mp, the 300D would still have huger advantages in certain areas...
SLR cameras like the 300D can accept a large assortment of interchangeable lenses. They have vastly superior autofocus and manual focus controls, and a much larger and brighter optical viewfinder. They produce soother images with greater dynamic range at much higher ISO settings.
All of the above makeds an SLR indispensable for any professional or a serious amateur who needs to take photos very quickly, in low light levels, and of fast moving subjects.
The Pro1 offers a much more compact size, excellent quality images, and some nifty features such as the lie articulated LCD viewfinder and the abilit to capture video clips, but its autofocus, manual focus, viewfinder, low light caabilities, and continuous shooting capabilities don't eve remotely approach those of an SLR.
There is no one "perfect" camera, or even one camera that is "better" in all conditios ad for all purposes.
SLR cameras like the 300D can accept a large assortment of interchangeable lenses. They have vastly superior autofocus and manual focus controls, and a much larger and brighter optical viewfinder. They produce soother images with greater dynamic range at much higher ISO settings.
All of the above makeds an SLR indispensable for any professional or a serious amateur who needs to take photos very quickly, in low light levels, and of fast moving subjects.
The Pro1 offers a much more compact size, excellent quality images, and some nifty features such as the lie articulated LCD viewfinder and the abilit to capture video clips, but its autofocus, manual focus, viewfinder, low light caabilities, and continuous shooting capabilities don't eve remotely approach those of an SLR.
There is no one "perfect" camera, or even one camera that is "better" in all conditios ad for all purposes.
agreed with the former but not the latter. one can easily produce pictures with shallow DOF with the Pro1, or any other prosumer level cam for that matter.
--Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I
thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly
confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
--
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
It's not a matter of control - they're just different. Compact cameras have far more depth of field, and that can be good in cases where you need a lot of depth of field. But yes, in cases where you want less DOF in order to blur a background an SLR will have the advantage.
You could create similar or even better effects than shown in those photos with a compact camera, but it would be harder to do. You would have to use extreme telephoto, get closer to your subject, and farther from the background. But yes, given identical conditions and shooting distances, an SLR could blur the background easier.
agreed again! that is exactly what i did. and now that with the new pro1 i find the two complement nicely one another other!
webdivauk
Forum Enthusiast
Mike,
Am I right to assume that a Pro1 would take better pictures than my A80 under the circumstances you just mentioned?
Sian
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
Am I right to assume that a Pro1 would take better pictures than my A80 under the circumstances you just mentioned?
Sian
--
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
Would it confuse you to learn that a city bus costs about the same as a Ferrari? After the initial amusing surprise, you realize that they're two very different vehicles, for very different purposes, expensive for different reasons.
The 300D, or any similar SLR camera...Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
1) accepts a wide assortment of interchangeable lenses
2) provides far better autofocus performance
3) provides far better manual focus control
4) performs far better in much lower light conditions
5) can shoot much faster, consecutively
6) can provide wider angle of view with certain lenses
7) can provide shallower depth of field (making it easier to blur the background)
8) offers much larger and brighter viewfinder that can keep up with fast moving subjects and when shooting consecutively at high speed
9) delivers smoother, less noisy (grainy) images in lowlight, which can be lightened or darkened to a greater degree in post-processing without losing detail.
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David Martin
Guest
The DOF is around 4 times that of 35mm on the 2/3rd sensor.
On an APS sensor, say in the 300D, it is 1.6 times.
So on occassion youu can produce shallow DOF with a 2/3rd sensor camera, but much less so, which is OK in some circumstances but not in others.
For some landscape shots etc the deep DOF is and advantage.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
On an APS sensor, say in the 300D, it is 1.6 times.
So on occassion youu can produce shallow DOF with a 2/3rd sensor camera, but much less so, which is OK in some circumstances but not in others.
For some landscape shots etc the deep DOF is and advantage.
----Pro 1 body only:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001JZRGM/qid=1079878774/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/026-7831803-0975606
300D with lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZN/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_1/026-7831803-0975606
300D without lens kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C9VZL/ref=sr_aps_electronics_1_2/026-7831803-0975606
I'd talked myself out of considering a Pro1 due to the price - I
thought it would be over £1000 now that it's not I'm greatly
confused.
Can someone give me some brief advantages of a 300D over a Pro1 and
vice versa, in plain speak
--
Kodak DX4900 Canon A80
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
The 300D has much of the same performance as the 10D, but it has the cheaper made and cheaper-looking body, and sacrifices certain controls over things like metering and autofocus.
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