For those who still don't believe in RAW...

RF Cat said:

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
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and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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Be thankful you don't have an SD9 or SD10 you only get RAW at least with Cnaon you get a choice to argue over.
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Don't use a hard drive for your only backup. The first time you drop it everything will be lost. You need DVD's also. I use both an external hare drive and a DVD burner.

Rich

BSell said:

I have enjoyed watching the prices come down on DVD drives. I am
thinking of buying an external hard drive to use instead. It
sounds interesting to just plug it in every so often to backup my
photos versus keeping a bunch of disks around.

Brian

RichW said:

Rich

BSell said:

It's a good thing hard drive and optical media are cheap, right? ;-))

Brian

DonP.2 said:

How big is the RAW file for a 10D ?

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Hey Zack,

When you shot this waterfall comparison do you remember how you had the camera set up?

Now that your shooting in RAW mode are you shooting most of your shots purely in an auto mode?
Jack

Zack Schildhorn said:

I've been following these forums for a while, and recently made the
switch over to shooting in RAW mode. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. The ability to tweak exposure and select white balance
out-of-camera makes a world of difference. Post processing for
saturation and sharpening always yields better results than what
comes straight from the camera.
Below is an example of just how much a difference shooting RAW and
doing a little post-processing work can make.

Extracted JPEG, straight from camera (saturation: 0, sharpness: 0,
AWB)



Post-processed (Fred Miranda 10DLPbatch profile, PS levels, unsharp
mask)



I took this photo a few days ago.
You can see a bunch more shots I've taken at Cornell here:
http://www.pbase.com/chill105/cornell/

Enjoy!

Click to expand...

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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I almost feel that I have to apologize to lonnit for not shooting in Raw...LOL.
Go lonnit Go!

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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halt after my post. I guess this is one I'll have to bookmark and link to every time the debate comes up. LOL!

Lonnit

Michael Louis said:

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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--
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and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

Chatsphotogpilot, PP-ASEL
http://www.digital10d.com/chats
http://www.chatterjees.com/portfolio
http://www.chatterjees.com/aviator
[email protected]
'Cleared to land runway three four left'

I compared A4 Qimage printed RAW and JPG_fine with all setings -2
and Photoshop work.
Sorry, I can't find differences !

Zack Schildhorn said:

I've been following these forums for a while, and recently made the
switch over to shooting in RAW mode. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. The ability to tweak exposure and select white balance
out-of-camera makes a world of difference. Post processing for
saturation and sharpening always yields better results than what
comes straight from the camera.
Below is an example of just how much a difference shooting RAW and
doing a little post-processing work can make.

Extracted JPEG, straight from camera (saturation: 0, sharpness: 0,
AWB)



Post-processed (Fred Miranda 10DLPbatch profile, PS levels, unsharp
mask)



I took this photo a few days ago.
You can see a bunch more shots I've taken at Cornell here:
http://www.pbase.com/chill105/cornell/

Enjoy!

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you didn't put it under a microscope and analize it. {No pun intended(sp?)}

I never share an evening of passing around 8x10's without also having a loupe handy for my evening guests. I place it alongside the cognac glass. I also have an antique mini telescope so that they can view the larger prints in thier proper prospective.

jan pawlak said:

Zack Schildhorn said:

I've been following these forums for a while, and recently made the
switch over to shooting in RAW mode. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. The ability to tweak exposure and select white balance
out-of-camera makes a world of difference. Post processing for
saturation and sharpening always yields better results than what
comes straight from the camera.
Below is an example of just how much a difference shooting RAW and
doing a little post-processing work can make.

Extracted JPEG, straight from camera (saturation: 0, sharpness: 0,
AWB)



Post-processed (Fred Miranda 10DLPbatch profile, PS levels, unsharp
mask)



I took this photo a few days ago.
You can see a bunch more shots I've taken at Cornell here:
http://www.pbase.com/chill105/cornell/

Enjoy!

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Sorry, it is my mistake.
But you see, my hobby is to do photo
not theorethical discussion about photo
Like you, I hope

Michael Louis said:

jan pawlak said:

Zack Schildhorn said:

I've been following these forums for a while, and recently made the
switch over to shooting in RAW mode. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. The ability to tweak exposure and select white balance
out-of-camera makes a world of difference. Post processing for
saturation and sharpening always yields better results than what
comes straight from the camera.
Below is an example of just how much a difference shooting RAW and
doing a little post-processing work can make.

Extracted JPEG, straight from camera (saturation: 0, sharpness: 0,
AWB)



Post-processed (Fred Miranda 10DLPbatch profile, PS levels, unsharp
mask)



I took this photo a few days ago.
You can see a bunch more shots I've taken at Cornell here:
http://www.pbase.com/chill105/cornell/

Enjoy!

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Check out Lonnit's web site and exif data from some of his images..

His images are good with regards to content and composure but he has many images with blown whites and some with questionable high ISO's and extremely fast shutter speeds.

Overall he does an admirable job but from my perspective he's simply no expert .His opinion is but one.
John

Michael Louis said:

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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johnd1 said:

Check out Lonnit's web site and exif data from some of his images..

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Firstly, if you look at my sig line below, you can clearly see that I am not a man! LOL!

johnd1 said:

His images are good with regards to content and composure but he
has many images with blown whites and some with questionable high
ISO's and extremely fast shutter speeds.
Overall he does an admirable job but from my perspective he's
simply no expert .

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And, if you look thru my history, you'll also note how I've talked repeatedly about my being a total newbie, having only started this hobby in September, when I purchased my 10D.

johnd1 said:

His opinion is but one.

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That wasnt' an opinion, it was fact when I stated that

johnd1 said:

johnd1 said:

johnd1 said:

If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it.

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If it is not physically possible for some to use RAW because of the above, I don't see any reason to harp on them to try to convince them of a system that is not possible for them to use no matter how much they would like to. I feel it would only serve to make them feel badly about what they are lucky enough to have. Someone recently criticized people for using less than L lenses when the fact is not everyone can afford L lenses. One must work iwth what is within their budgetary constraints and they don't deserve to be condemned for it.

Lonnit

johnd1 said:

John

Michael Louis said:

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit

and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

jan pawlak said:

I compared A4 Qimage printed RAW and JPG_fine with all setings -2
and Photoshop work.
Sorry, I can't find differences !

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Then perhaps RAW is not for you. For some people it isn't necessary nor desired.

Lonnit

jan pawlak said:

Zack Schildhorn said:

I've been following these forums for a while, and recently made the
switch over to shooting in RAW mode. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. The ability to tweak exposure and select white balance
out-of-camera makes a world of difference. Post processing for
saturation and sharpening always yields better results than what
comes straight from the camera.
Below is an example of just how much a difference shooting RAW and
doing a little post-processing work can make.

Extracted JPEG, straight from camera (saturation: 0, sharpness: 0,
AWB)



Post-processed (Fred Miranda 10DLPbatch profile, PS levels, unsharp
mask)



I took this photo a few days ago.
You can see a bunch more shots I've taken at Cornell here:
http://www.pbase.com/chill105/cornell/

Enjoy!

Click to expand...

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--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit

and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

lonnit said:

johnd1 said:

Check out Lonnit's web site and exif data from some of his images..

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Firstly, if you look at my sig line below, you can clearly see that
I am not a man! LOL!

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Aint that the Truth!!

lonnit said:

lonnit said:

His images are good with regards to content and composure but he
has many images with blown whites and some with questionable high
ISO's and extremely fast shutter speeds.
Overall he does an admirable job but from my perspective he's
simply no expert .

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And, if you look thru my history, you'll also note how I've talked
repeatedly about my being a total newbie, having only started this
hobby in September, when I purchased my 10D.

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Stop it lonnit, we know you've been published. Your modesty becomes you, but you have been asked to do a photo shoot, you've been published AND you have the best Sig line on Dpreview (even PearlRider and DavidP agreed on that...LOL); so don't be bashful.

lonnit said:

lonnit said:

His opinion is but one.

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That wasnt' an opinion, it was fact when I stated that

lonnit said:

lonnit said:

lonnit said:

If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it.

Click to expand...

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If it is not physically possible for some to use RAW because of the
above, I don't see any reason to harp on them to try to convince
them of a system that is not possible for them to use no matter how
much they would like to. I feel it would only serve to make them
feel badly about what they are lucky enough to have. Someone
recently criticized people for using less than L lenses when the
fact is not everyone can afford L lenses. One must work iwth what
is within their budgetary constraints and they don't deserve to be
condemned for it.

Click to expand...

Even though I agree with the poster that JPEG is the way to go, I hope I have never been that 'crass' in my assertion that JPEG is the best format designed for digital cameras and if you don't think as I do then....uh...well...use Raw then and see if I care!!

lonnit said:

Lonnit

lonnit said:

John

Michael Louis said:

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

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I hadn't thought about the "Oops, I dropped my photocollection!" issue.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Brian

RichW said:

Don't use a hard drive for your only backup. The first time you
drop it everything will be lost. You need DVD's also. I use
both an external hare drive and a DVD burner.

Rich

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lonnit said:

jan pawlak said:

I compared A4 Qimage printed RAW and JPG_fine with all setings -2
and Photoshop work.
Sorry, I can't find differences !

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Then perhaps RAW is not for you. For some people it isn't necessary
nor desired.

Lonnit

lonnit said:

Zack Schildhorn said:

I've been following these forums for a while, and recently made the
switch over to shooting in RAW mode. I am extremely satisfied with
the results. The ability to tweak exposure and select white balance
out-of-camera makes a world of difference. Post processing for
saturation and sharpening always yields better results than what
comes straight from the camera.
Below is an example of just how much a difference shooting RAW and
doing a little post-processing work can make.

Extracted JPEG, straight from camera (saturation: 0, sharpness: 0,
AWB)



Post-processed (Fred Miranda 10DLPbatch profile, PS levels, unsharp
mask)



I took this photo a few days ago.
You can see a bunch more shots I've taken at Cornell here:
http://www.pbase.com/chill105/cornell/

Enjoy!

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

Click to expand...

--
Ian the RF Cat.

still learning
LOVE MY 10D
need to learn to check spelling and how to type!
http://www.pbase.com/ianm_au
equipment in profile

Michael Louis said:

lonnit said:

johnd1 said:

Check out Lonnit's web site and exif data from some of his images..

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Firstly, if you look at my sig line below, you can clearly see that
I am not a man! LOL!

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Aint that the Truth!!

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LOL! Thank you.

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

His images are good with regards to content and composure but he
has many images with blown whites and some with questionable high
ISO's and extremely fast shutter speeds.
Overall he does an admirable job but from my perspective he's
simply no expert .

Click to expand...

And, if you look thru my history, you'll also note how I've talked
repeatedly about my being a total newbie, having only started this
hobby in September, when I purchased my 10D.

Click to expand...

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Michael Louis said:

Stop it lonnit, we know you've been published. Your modesty becomes
you, but you have been asked to do a photo shoot, you've been
published AND you have the best Sig line on Dpreview (even
PearlRider and DavidP agreed on that...LOL); so don't be bashful.

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LOL! It still doesn't change the fact that I've only been doing it 6 mo. My bigger point though was that it's just common sense that you can't convince someone to use something they simply don't have access to.

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

His opinion is but one.

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That wasnt' an opinion, it was fact when I stated that

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

If it is not physically possible for some to use RAW because of the
above, I don't see any reason to harp on them to try to convince
them of a system that is not possible for them to use no matter how
much they would like to. I feel it would only serve to make them
feel badly about what they are lucky enough to have. Someone
recently criticized people for using less than L lenses when the
fact is not everyone can afford L lenses. One must work iwth what
is within their budgetary constraints and they don't deserve to be
condemned for it.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Michael Louis said:

Even though I agree with the poster that JPEG is the way to go, I
hope I have never been that 'crass' in my assertion that JPEG is
the best format designed for digital cameras and if you don't think
as I do then....uh...well...use Raw then and see if I care!!

Click to expand...

LMAO!!!

Lonnit

Michael Louis said:

Michael Louis said:

Lonnit

Michael Louis said:

John

Michael Louis said:

lonnit said:

I recently started using RAW and I KNOW what it can do for ME. If
others refuse to realize the value of it, or have slower computers
that would make it a nightmare to work with, or can't afford the
extra CF cards, or are such awesome photogs that they are dead on
with exposures and such on every shot they take, then it's silly to
even debate it. I know what works for ME and I know that I've
really improved my work with RAW and nothing could ever convince me
to go back to jpg. If everyone had the same needs there'd only be
one camera on the market and there wouldn't be any adjustments on
the camera!

WArmly,
Lonnit

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

Click to expand...

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--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit
and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when
you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you
like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Please visit my gallery at http://pbase.com/lonnit

and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions.



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!