The Death Of The Canon 1Ds

Louis4444 · Mar 19, 2004

Ian S said:
I'll keep my sleeping? 1Ds princess rather than switch to that
toad thank you.

To me, it's amazing how opinoned people are regarding a camera that wasn't even released yet. Did you read/cross-read thispreview of the Kodak...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Kodak%20ProSLR-mini-review.shtml

Not bad for a toad at all...

Louis4444 · Mar 19, 2004

steve wilkes said:
I just looked at the samples, the 14n 800 iso is unusable, the 400
iso is a joke, the 250 iso looks to be suffering...

I also looked twice when I studies the ISO series. The impression I got is that the Kodak has very different noise characteristics. I am not too sure whether "different" necessarily means "bad", "unusable". But it's very difficult to beat the noise characteriistics (which is more than just the amount) of Canon CMOS cameras. Can't wait to see some comparison shots...

Edward jack · Mar 19, 2004

Can we all go home and spend some more time with our: wives/girlfriends/kids/dogs/cats/goldfish.

Failing that, go down to the pub with your mates.. or rifle club if you're an American ;-) and set the world to rights.

Other activites beter than filling these formus with idle verbal tit for tat include:
1. learning a foreign language

2. watching a really great film (maybe Lord of the rings if you haven't seen it already ?)

3. If you really want 2 impress your mates go and read some Russel or proust. Remember the more significant paragraphs and then try to pass them off as your own ideas when next para-phrase them over the office water cooler
4. If you are single.. you might consider chasin' a bit of Skirt

... if all else fails go and do some decorating. Once painted.. watch those walls dry

no charge for this friendly advice

Ed

azetaelle said:
there is a big difference between a Eos-1Ds and a Kodak(Sigma)
body, and still we have to see how the new Kodak CMOS act (old Pro
14 wasn't such a 1Ds killer!)

I think they really don't need a 1Ds mark II

indeed, if the 1Ds gets a little bit cheaper, that is good for us

best regards

jerpat · Mar 19, 2004

Louis,

To put this in perspective I suggest you go back & review all the press releases concerning the 14n, with the repeated lies & postponements from Kodak. You or I could announce the specs for a vaporware camera; doesn't mean the production model will ever happen, or if it does happen that it will live up to its pre-release hype, which is exactly the case with the 14n. IMHO

However, I'll will defend, to the death, your right to spend YOUR $$ on any kind of toad you like. LOL

Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:

I'll keep my sleeping? 1Ds princess rather than switch to that
toad thank you.

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To me, it's amazing how opinoned people are regarding a camera that
wasn't even released yet. Did you read/cross-read thispreview of
the Kodak...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Kodak%20ProSLR-mini-review.shtml

Not bad for a toad at all...

Rusty Cardores · Mar 19, 2004

med007 said:
Louis4444 said:

med007 said:

No, this just means that Canon is finally going to have to reduce
the price of their 1Ds

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Nope. The 1Ds is designed to be Canon's digital flagship products,
built to demonstrate technological leadership in this young
industry. The fact that a Kodak body is now the EF mount camera
with the highest resultion is a real disaster in marketing terms...

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Why do you use the word "disaster"

Do you mean, "wake up call" or "get real about the price". disaster
it is not.

it just means that the rate of new camera rollout will increase.

Simply put, inventions for DR full depth color (Canons Foveon type
sensor) etc, will just come out earlier, that's all.

Asher

Rusty Cardores · Mar 19, 2004

Rusty Cardores said:
med007 said:

Louis4444 said:

Rusty Cardores said:

No, this just means that Canon is finally going to have to reduce
the price of their 1Ds

Click to expand...

Nope. The 1Ds is designed to be Canon's digital flagship products,
built to demonstrate technological leadership in this young
industry. The fact that a Kodak body is now the EF mount camera
with the highest resultion is a real disaster in marketing terms...

Click to expand...

Why do you use the word "disaster"

Do you mean, "wake up call" or "get real about the price". disaster
it is not.

it just means that the rate of new camera rollout will increase.

Simply put, inventions for DR full depth color (Canons Foveon type
sensor) etc, will just come out earlier, that's all.

Asher

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steve wilkes · Mar 19, 2004

If you change everything to greyscale you might just get a passable 'grainy' B&W shot - otherwise forget it.....1Ds botherer, not even close.....

Paul Cheang said:
Louis4444 said:

I hereby would like to announce that Canon's flagship dSLR product
just died in a frontal collition with Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0403/04031802kodakslrc.asp

R.I.P.

Looks like the 1DsII will have to hit the market earlier and/or
prices of the 1Ds will have to be lowered significantly.

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--
PC writes:
Sound like every expect the 1Ds to die and Kodak/c crowned a new
king... so, how many of you will buy the Kodak/c Vs Canon 1Ds (or
Canon 1Ds II when it 's out?).
Paul

--
http://www.pbase.com/foodphoto

Steve
2 things matter in photography, size & the shiny side up.

1Ds/10D/30e/ETRSI/5X4 & French Medium Format Camera.
Some sarcasim included, may need assembly.

Ken Phillips · Mar 19, 2004

Louis4444 said:
...of course, but the 1Ds Canon's flagship product is definitly
dead and the introduction of this camera will benefit Canon users
at least indirectly, even if they don't buy the Kodak. And I'm dead
serious about that...

--

I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
http://www.ahomls.com/gallery.htm

Joo · Mar 19, 2004

Again... the SLR/c is NOT a Canon product. the 1Ds is a Canon product. the 1Ds is STILL the flagship Canon product.

Given this.... how is the 1Ds "dead" as the Canon flagship product?

Joo

Louis4444 said:
...of course, but the 1Ds Canon's flagship product is definitly
dead and the introduction of this camera will benefit Canon users
at least indirectly, even if they don't buy the Kodak. And I'm dead
serious about that...

--

Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.

http://www.singularlight.com/
http://www.daehwang.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcphotogs/

Louis4444 · Mar 19, 2004

jerpat said:
You or I could announce the specs for a
vaporware camera; doesn't mean the production model will ever
happen, or if it does happen that it will live up to its

Hmmm... ...did you look at the link that I gave? That was a hand-on preview from somebody who did not like the previous model at all. I'm the last one believing glossy marketing brochures, don't worry...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Kodak%20ProSLR-mini-review.shtml

Joo · Mar 19, 2004

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/proSLRc/qAndA.jhtml?id=0.1.18.18.7.14.8&lc=en

I quote from Kodak's website...

"Which photographers will benefit most from the DCS Pro SLR/c?

It's a versatile camera suitable for virtually any professional photographer who requires high-resolution, with broad ISO range, and high-quality digital images, including wedding, portrait, social, school, event, and commercial photographers."

Seems to be that Kodak is trying to sell it as more than "just" a studio camera.

Might want to do your research before you post.

Joo

Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:

... or take an ISO 1600 shot ...

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Sure, that's extremly important especially with a "studio" camera,
a camera designed to deliver "medium format quality" (quote from
Kodak)...

You're my hero...

--

Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.

http://www.singularlight.com/
http://www.daehwang.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcphotogs/

Louis4444 · Mar 19, 2004

Joo said:
Given this.... how is the 1Ds "dead" as the Canon flagship product?

Because of that (and that is what I was referring to when using the term "flagship" initially)...

Quote from news archive of this website:

"The introduction of this camera tops Canon's flagship professional digital range, claiming dual world records for both the highest resolution, with the EOS-1Ds, and the fastest speed, with the EOS-1D, thus providing an incredibly competitive pro product line-up" said Mr. Komatsuzaki, Head of Canon Consumer Imaging, Europe.

Joo · Mar 19, 2004

You seem to be missing the point...

The SLR/c though is not Canon's product. The 1Ds is still Canon's flagship product.

If we were to do a point for point comparison of the SLR/c and the 1Ds, how many camera and IQ aspects do you think the SLR/c would win and how many would the 1Ds win?

If we were to go out and poll professional photographers who use the Canon system which they would prefer, how many do you think would prefer the SLR/c and how many do you think would prefer the 1Ds?

Do your research before you make your proclamations. And no hiding behind the line "the SLR/c is a studio camera" this time since your proclamations made no distinctions in the first place.

Joo

Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:

Given this.... how is the 1Ds "dead" as the Canon flagship product?

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Because of that (and that is what I was referring to when using the
term "flagship" initially)...

Quote from news archive of this website:
"The introduction of this camera tops Canon's flagship professional
digital range, claiming dual world records for both the highest
resolution, with the EOS-1Ds, and the fastest speed, with the
EOS-1D, thus providing an incredibly competitive pro product
line-up" said Mr. Komatsuzaki, Head of Canon Consumer Imaging,
Europe.

--

Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.

http://www.singularlight.com/
http://www.daehwang.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcphotogs/

Louis4444 · Mar 19, 2004

Joo said:
Seems to be that Kodak is trying to sell it as more than "just" a
studio camera.

Do you take the sales lingo used on glossy marketing broschures and flashy news announcements for the bare truth? That's your choice, of course.

Joo said:
Might want to do your research before you post.

My research goes a little bit further than your quotes of marketing slogans. I strongly recommend you to develop a more ciritcal attitude to what you can read.

stevej615 · Mar 19, 2004

Joo said:
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/proSLRc/qAndA.jhtml?id=0.1.18.18.7.14.8&lc=en

I quote from Kodak's website...

"Which photographers will benefit most from the DCS Pro SLR/c?
It's a versatile camera suitable for virtually any professional
photographer who requires high-resolution, with broad ISO range,
and high-quality digital images, including wedding, portrait,
social, school, event, and commercial photographers."

Seems to be that Kodak is trying to sell it as more than "just" a
studio camera.

Might want to do your research before you post.

Joo

See the review just up on Luminous Landscape. Just doing my research.
--
Steve

Joo · Mar 19, 2004

You may feel that the SLR/c is better suited for studio, but Kodak is clearly trying to position it differently and not as just a studio camera. If we're going to compare cameras, lets compare the cameras fairly. Proclaiming that one camera is "dead" because another camera performs one particular function better is hardly "adequate" research.

Joo

Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:

Seems to be that Kodak is trying to sell it as more than "just" a
studio camera.

Click to expand...

Do you take the sales lingo used on glossy marketing broschures and
flashy news announcements for the bare truth? That's your choice,
of course.

Louis4444 said:

Might want to do your research before you post.

Click to expand...

My research goes a little bit further than your quotes of marketing
slogans. I strongly recommend you to develop a more ciritcal
attitude to what you can read.

--

Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.

http://www.singularlight.com/
http://www.daehwang.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcphotogs/

Louis4444 · Mar 19, 2004

Joo said:
Proclaiming that one camera is "dead" because
another camera performs one particular function better is hardly
"adequate" research.

Speaking about "adequate" - there is more than just "one" point which speaks for the Kodak.

Arthur Li · Mar 19, 2004

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Joo · Mar 19, 2004

So lets define more than one. Do you mean 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 100? 1000? 100000? 1000000000?

Saying more than one is not saying a whole lot.

Joo

Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:

Proclaiming that one camera is "dead" because
another camera performs one particular function better is hardly
"adequate" research.

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Speaking about "adequate" - there is more than just "one" point
which speaks for the Kodak.

--

Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll blame the equipment.

http://www.singularlight.com/
http://www.daehwang.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcphotogs/

jerpat · Mar 19, 2004

I did notice Michael Reichmann mentioning that he would be replacing his 1Ds with the new Kodak entry. Hmmm............

Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:

You or I could announce the specs for a
vaporware camera; doesn't mean the production model will ever
happen, or if it does happen that it will live up to its

Click to expand...

Hmmm... ...did you look at the link that I gave? That was a hand-on
preview from somebody who did not like the previous model at all.
I'm the last one believing glossy marketing brochures, don't
worry...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Kodak%20ProSLR-mini-review.shtml

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