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It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known about this issue?

Cassandra
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That's what I think it is (the moire problem). The D70 will take better pics than the D100 - it's been proven in the vast number of already posted sample images. I've got my D70 on order and I'm not worried. Should get my camera next week.
Cassandra59044 said:
Cassandra wrote:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?
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Arn said:
The D70 will take
better pics than the D100 - it's been proven in the vast number of
already posted sample images.
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I'm sure it's a great camera, but I've seen no proof that it will create better photos than the D100.

This doesn't mean that it won't, but I'd like to see the "proof" you're referring to. Are those real tests comparing both models under identical conditions, or is it just your personal "feeling"?

Jarle
 
I read this morning in this forum about the moire problem with the D2H and how Nikon Capture could correct it very well.

As for the D70 taking better landscapes than the D100. My point and shoot could take better landscapes than the D100, its not that sort of camera.
 
Didn't intend for this thread to turn into a boxing ring. ;)

Cassandra
Jarle Aasland said:
Arn said:
The D70 will take
better pics than the D100 - it's been proven in the vast number of
already posted sample images.
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I'm sure it's a great camera, but I've seen no proof that it will
create better photos than the D100.

This doesn't mean that it won't, but I'd like to see the "proof"
you're referring to. Are those real tests comparing both models
under identical conditions, or is it just your personal "feeling"?

Jarle
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"It (the D70) will produce at least as good images as the D100, I don't see any reason why it would do any worse" :D
Cassandra59044 said:
Cassandra wrote:
Didn't intend for this thread to turn into a boxing ring. ;)

Cassandra
Jarle Aasland said:
I'm sure it's a great camera, but I've seen no proof that it will
create better photos than the D100.

This doesn't mean that it won't, but I'd like to see the "proof"
you're referring to. Are those real tests comparing both models
under identical conditions, or is it just your personal "feeling"?
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It's a personal feeling, yes. But opinion is based on all the samples and reviews at the moment.

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Nikon official samples from Japan, while not the best (see massive thread on this) did not produce any noticible moire.

If you are looking for a reason to not purchase the D70, don't. You do not need one. If you R looking for a DLSR in the sub 1K range, you have two choices, and IMO the D70 is it. If the camera proves to have a few minor issues with whatever, color, noise, etc., than there is PS and other products to deal with that.

Nikon will NOT produce another camera in this price range for likely several years. Canon will likely release an updated Rebel, maybe by the end of the year.

IMO unless you want to upgrade to a pro quality body, this is your ONLY option for a while regardless of it the D70 turns out to be the best thing ever, or has a few issues.

So far everything I've seen looks like this is a great camera, feature packed, and at a great price.

Ron
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?

Cassandra
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
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Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?
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I think you need to bear in mind with the issues that people find here is that they have a way of amplifying a small issue into a major flaw.

Thus the "D70 moire issue" is probably here to stay, I would think.

Its all a question of whether its actually goingto be an issue for someone who might, for example, be looking to buy a print made with a D70.

I downloaded a cityscape shot of Melbourne that was posted by a new user and printed it at 12 by 18. There is definately moire in one of the left hand buildings- BUT, you would really need to search for it and it is pretty much "lost" in all the other detail at that size.

Therefore, it didn't seem to be much of an issue to me.

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I will wait and see if there will become some camera"cure" from Nikon. I do not think the camera worth the money. There are not many samples oute there yet but a lot of them have this moiré problem. So I will wait.
 
I wonder then if moire is generally more of a problem with buildings than leaves? Or have we not seen enough landscape photos to make that assessment?

Cassandra
AMac said:
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?
Click to expand...
I think you need to bear in mind with the issues that people find
here is that they have a way of amplifying a small issue into a
major flaw.

Thus the "D70 moire issue" is probably here to stay, I would think.

Its all a question of whether its actually goingto be an issue for
someone who might, for example, be looking to buy a print made with
a D70.

I downloaded a cityscape shot of Melbourne that was posted by a new
user and printed it at 12 by 18. There is definately moire in one
of the left hand buildings- BUT, you would really need to search
for it and it is pretty much "lost" in all the other detail at that
size.

Therefore, it didn't seem to be much of an issue to me.

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Cheers

Andrew McGregor

My site: http://www.englishclubonline.net/melbournegallery.htm
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if it does torn out to be a real problem, (I doubt it) and it will most likely only manifest in architectural shots. I think we will have to include Capture in the price of the camera eventually, the custom curves is the only way to go from what i have been seeing. It also transfers the nef files to PS7, I havent upgraded yet.
Cassandra said:
Cassandra
AMac said:
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?
Click to expand...
I think you need to bear in mind with the issues that people find
here is that they have a way of amplifying a small issue into a
major flaw.

Thus the "D70 moire issue" is probably here to stay, I would think.

Its all a question of whether its actually goingto be an issue for
someone who might, for example, be looking to buy a print made with
a D70.

I downloaded a cityscape shot of Melbourne that was posted by a new
user and printed it at 12 by 18. There is definately moire in one
of the left hand buildings- BUT, you would really need to search
for it and it is pretty much "lost" in all the other detail at that
size.

Therefore, it didn't seem to be much of an issue to me.

--
Cheers

Andrew McGregor

My site: http://www.englishclubonline.net/melbournegallery.htm
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
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It'll probably be more noticeable/distracting in architectural images due to fine geometric patterns. Also would be true w/ fine fabric details, which is why there's also mention of moire issues for fashion shoot w/ other cameras that exihibit moire, eg. Canon 1D, 1Ds, Sigma SD9/10.

For natural landscapes, I'd think details are typically too random to have the kind of geometric patterns more susceptible to moire. There are probably exceptions of course like palm tree leaves shot against sky background. Still, I'm sure it really depends on the exact scene.

Finally, there are ways to deal w/ the moire even when it becomes noticeable/distracting as mentioned before. Personally, I doubt it'll be a real problem in practice -- certainly moire doesn't stop all the 1Ds users from doing landscape photography one bit, but then again, I also don't print giant size enlargements very often nor look at 100% crops to scrutinize details on a regular basis.

Man
Cassandra said:
Cassandra
AMac said:
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?
Click to expand...
I think you need to bear in mind with the issues that people find
here is that they have a way of amplifying a small issue into a
major flaw.

Thus the "D70 moire issue" is probably here to stay, I would think.

Its all a question of whether its actually goingto be an issue for
someone who might, for example, be looking to buy a print made with
a D70.

I downloaded a cityscape shot of Melbourne that was posted by a new
user and printed it at 12 by 18. There is definately moire in one
of the left hand buildings- BUT, you would really need to search
for it and it is pretty much "lost" in all the other detail at that
size.

Therefore, it didn't seem to be much of an issue to me.

--
Cheers

Andrew McGregor

My site: http://www.englishclubonline.net/melbournegallery.htm
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More noticeable in architectural shots and images with repeated, finely detailed patterns. And even then it seems to be very random.

Cassandra
Man-Fai Wong said:
It'll probably be more noticeable/distracting in architectural
images due to fine geometric patterns. Also would be true w/ fine
fabric details, which is why there's also mention of moire issues
for fashion shoot w/ other cameras that exihibit moire, eg. Canon
1D, 1Ds, Sigma SD9/10.

For natural landscapes, I'd think details are typically too random
to have the kind of geometric patterns more susceptible to moire.
There are probably exceptions of course like palm tree leaves shot
against sky background. Still, I'm sure it really depends on the
exact scene.

Finally, there are ways to deal w/ the moire even when it becomes
noticeable/distracting as mentioned before. Personally, I doubt
it'll be a real problem in practice -- certainly moire doesn't stop
all the 1Ds users from doing landscape photography one bit, but
then again, I also don't print giant size enlargements very often
nor look at 100% crops to scrutinize details on a regular basis.

Man
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Cassandra,

here is a shot with "moire problem", can you see it?



Here it is...



and this happens when you set NC 4.1 Color Moire Reduction Low.



After so many "Pictures from D100 dark" messages, we are going to see a lot of "D70 moire problem" - but as you know, there where so many stunning images posted in this forum taken with D100 as there will be with D70. Just enjoy photography - I can assure you there will be no single shot that will be ruined by "moire", "green cast" or whatever are some subjects in this forum...

Best regards, zz
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?

Cassandra
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
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Yes no doubt it's an overrated issue. :)

Cassandra
ZZivotic said:
Cassandra,

here is a shot with "moire problem", can you see it?



Here it is...



and this happens when you set NC 4.1 Color Moire Reduction Low.



After so many "Pictures from D100 dark" messages, we are going to
see a lot of "D70 moire problem" - but as you know, there where so
many stunning images posted in this forum taken with D100 as there
will be with D70. Just enjoy photography - I can assure you there
will be no single shot that will be ruined by "moire", "green cast"
or whatever are some subjects in this forum...

Best regards, zz
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I do like fotographer's White Wedding custom curve and will undoubtedly use it!

Cassandra
nowhereatoll said:
Cassandra said:
Cassandra
AMac said:
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?
Click to expand...
I think you need to bear in mind with the issues that people find
here is that they have a way of amplifying a small issue into a
major flaw.

Thus the "D70 moire issue" is probably here to stay, I would think.

Its all a question of whether its actually goingto be an issue for
someone who might, for example, be looking to buy a print made with
a D70.

I downloaded a cityscape shot of Melbourne that was posted by a new
user and printed it at 12 by 18. There is definately moire in one
of the left hand buildings- BUT, you would really need to search
for it and it is pretty much "lost" in all the other detail at that
size.

Therefore, it didn't seem to be much of an issue to me.

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Cheers

Andrew McGregor

My site: http://www.englishclubonline.net/melbournegallery.htm
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
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formerly '69er' (nowhereatoll-dot-com)......[ O]..clic
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
 
I've got the Capture One de-moirisation plug-in and after fiddling with it a little got it to deal pretty effectively with the examples I've seen.

It's an issue you might have to deal with from time to time, but if you are mainly interested in landscapes I am sure you will be OK.

If you were maily shooting architectural shots or weddings it might be necessary to think things through a little more, although plenty of people shoot such things with cameras like the 1D, which are also quite prone to moire.

Don't forget that this will be one of the biggest selling DSLR's ever, and so umpteen de-moirisation fixes will doubtless soon appear, as the camera is undoubtably prone to moire.
In short, don't worry!
Cassandra said:
It's been mentioned that the D70's apparent moire problem could be
a real concern in landscape images. Since I do mostly landscape
photography should I be postponing my D70 order until more is known
about this issue?

Cassandra
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
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DaveMart
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