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D70 Resolution Chart
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Man-Fai Wong
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... just get the D70 now and then upgrade to the S3 later? Your lenses will still be good, and if the S3's increased DR is significant, then there's more to justify the higher price.
Yes, I too would consider upgrading to an S3, but I suspect it'll still be much higher price than the D70 w/out necessarily being nearly as fast, so I will very likely wait beyond the S3 for upgrade consideration.
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Yes, I too would consider upgrading to an S3, but I suspect it'll still be much higher price than the D70 w/out necessarily being nearly as fast, so I will very likely wait beyond the S3 for upgrade consideration.
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James Kita
Member
Correct me if my eyes deceive me, but it looks to me like the moire appears mostly in the area of the D70 chart that you cannot even resolve on the D100 or Canon chart (like around 17 or so on the chart). To me, this clearly points to the trade-off taken by Nikon in choosing the AA filter (meaning that the D70 has a weak or non-existent filter). It is up to the buyer then, to decide whether the extra resolution is worth the price of having moire (or post processing in NC4.1).
Jim Cullen
Leading Member
You know guys, the camera is what it is. If you think it has problems, well that's your point of view, and no end of examination at 100% can disprove this for you.
Please accept the points you have found and maybe go get something else or buy the darn Nikon and put up with those nasty problems it has.
Sheez, no amount of finger pointing is gunna change the way you view the machine, so enough is enough or we'll start to thinlk you're maybe a plant from another manufacturer.
Hope all goes well with your purchase, when you do please post some images.
Jim
Please accept the points you have found and maybe go get something else or buy the darn Nikon and put up with those nasty problems it has.
Sheez, no amount of finger pointing is gunna change the way you view the machine, so enough is enough or we'll start to thinlk you're maybe a plant from another manufacturer.
Hope all goes well with your purchase, when you do please post some images.
Jim
Photobug197965
Veteran Member
but so is Hunter (at least in these two posts).
Nikon N6006 & FM bodies; Nikkor 50/1.4 AF, 80-200/2.8D AF, 35-80D AF, Tokina 20-35 AF
Preordered D70 kit on 1/29! Still waiting...
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Nikon N6006 & FM bodies; Nikkor 50/1.4 AF, 80-200/2.8D AF, 35-80D AF, Tokina 20-35 AF
Preordered D70 kit on 1/29! Still waiting...
Jared Hunter
Senior Member
IMO, it'll virtually be impossible to remove this type of moire without oversoftening the image:
http://www.pbase.com/image/27073046/original
(see the cartoon faces?)
Curiously, if the 300D has a stronger AA filter, it sure doesn't look it. The 300D sample appears to have more detail AND less (no) moire.
http://www.pbase.com/image/27073046/original
(see the cartoon faces?)
Curiously, if the 300D has a stronger AA filter, it sure doesn't look it. The 300D sample appears to have more detail AND less (no) moire.
Photobug197965
Veteran Member
I agree.
But if you check resolution charts of D70 and 300D/10D shot by Phil, the one by D70 has higher resolution together with maze-like moire patterns.
You can say that I trust well controlled shots by Phil more than most others, including the example you gave.
Photobug
Nikon N6006 & FM bodies; Nikkor 50/1.4 AF, 80-200/2.8D AF, 35-80D AF, Tokina 20-35 AF
Preordered D70 kit on 1/29! Still waiting...
But if you check resolution charts of D70 and 300D/10D shot by Phil, the one by D70 has higher resolution together with maze-like moire patterns.
You can say that I trust well controlled shots by Phil more than most others, including the example you gave.
Photobug
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Nikon N6006 & FM bodies; Nikkor 50/1.4 AF, 80-200/2.8D AF, 35-80D AF, Tokina 20-35 AF
Preordered D70 kit on 1/29! Still waiting...
Well, you just said it IMAGE IS MOST IMPORTANT to you, so go save and buy the S2.
Although I've considered it, including Foveon, I didn't because of the 2K price, S T U P I D battery system and size. Compared to D70 it has less feature and performance needed for faster capture where it counts. Besides, you're really going into image details that most people buying D70 don't see 95% of the time and certainly would not pay 2X the price just for that macroscopic difference.
Are you that ... ? Nevermind.
Although I've considered it, including Foveon, I didn't because of the 2K price, S T U P I D battery system and size. Compared to D70 it has less feature and performance needed for faster capture where it counts. Besides, you're really going into image details that most people buying D70 don't see 95% of the time and certainly would not pay 2X the price just for that macroscopic difference.
Are you that ... ? Nevermind.
James Kita
Member
Since the Fuji S2 uses an interlaced sensor, moire will more likely show up on the diagonals. You can see this happening on the diagonal resolution bars in the posted pic. Even at the 3 to 5 mark on the diagonal bars, you can see unusual color artifacts that appear to be Moire.
Also the comparison is somewhat flawed in that the posted pic is a 12MP interpolated photo. A direct uninterpolated 6MP to 6MP comparison would be more accurate.
Also the comparison is somewhat flawed in that the posted pic is a 12MP interpolated photo. A direct uninterpolated 6MP to 6MP comparison would be more accurate.
Jared Hunter
Senior Member
Why is it flawed? Fuji is often taken to task for calling their camera "12MP" when it actually only has a 6Mp sensor. You can't have it both ways - if it's only 6Mp, the 12MP interpolation isn't supposed to buy you anything right?...and therefore no advantage.
BTW, moire would have been even more minimized at 6Mp. Resolution would still beat the other 6Mps.
delfstrom
Member
Yes for shooting at 200 ISO. But each camera should be compared at its best capabilitiy settings, too. Like testing resolution of S2 by using its interpolated mode.
Since the D70 doesn't go down to 100 ISO, we have to assume that 200 ISO is its optimum exposure point, lower might even be slightly worse.
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