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The Death Of The Canon 1Ds

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Here is the thing, before, if you had canon glass you had a 1d for your PJ work and then your 1ds for your portrait work... NOW, you can have the Mark II for your PJ work, but at only 3 mp less then the 1ds, is it worth it in many cases to pay another 7000 for 3mp and FF more? For some people YES, for many NO... So now, you can have 6MP more for about 4500 more (my guess at the price of the new Kodak C) OK, you dont have a great body and maybe not a great system, BUT you have your same CANON glass and 14MP with no AA (even though the Moire can be REALLY BAD sometimes with the Kodak..)

For people who just need a really SHARP studio camera the 14c should work great when used with a MARK II ;)

NOW, if the 1ds II is 14MP with the Mark II body, new AF and new ETTL2, then maybe it will be worth 6500-7000
med007 said:
Louis4444 said:
med007 said:
The Kodak make a nice studio SLR, though.
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Yep, looks like. And not really being a candidate for a PJ camera
like the 1DII, this is very exciting news for me.
med007 said:
Maybe it will result in the 1Ds costing more like $5k.
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Hopefully... ...and/or in the early release of a forthcoming 1DsII.
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Suddenly, the reviews on the Kodak 14/n become very relevent for
Canonites!

At last, they have to look not only across the road at Nikon or
over the hill to Sigma's lenses, now there is competition on their
own sacred turf: the Eos mount DSLR.

WOW!

Asher
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LOL ....if you think that ...wait until you see the files ...

Dunno bout the Canon mount version but the Nikon mount one has been a dissapointment to its users...
Louis4444 said:
I hereby would like to announce that Canon's flagship dSLR product
just died in a frontal collition with Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0403/04031802kodakslrc.asp

R.I.P.

Looks like the 1DsII will have to hit the market earlier and/or
prices of the 1Ds will have to be lowered significantly.
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And on the Nikon mount that bulge on the front under the lens means you can't get your fingers round the vertical grip when mounted with a big fast lens. It looks much the same on the 14C pictures.

I suppose it is OK if it mounted on a stand in the studio...
T3 said:
Louis4444 said:
I hereby would like to announce that Canon's flagship dSLR product
just died in a frontal collition with Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0403/04031802kodakslrc.asp

R.I.P.

Looks like the 1DsII will have to hit the market earlier and/or
prices of the 1Ds will have to be lowered significantly.
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Martin Wilson
Nottingham, England
 
A full frame camera that allows WIDE angle lenses to work as such will appeal to landscape photographers too.

The biggest area of interest being details at small apetures and with an ISO 6 tripod pictures of flowing waterfalls and other interesting things in bright light will be easier to get.

There are some things this will do that the Canon won't because of the low ISO range. Of course there are a LOT of things the Kodak won't do that the Canon will.

I'm not sure how it will effect things from a marketing standpoint. Was Nikon hurt by Kodak having the only FF high resolution camera that used their lenses or did they just sell more lenses because of it. Face it, most of you have a lot more invested in your lenses than your cameras.

For someone who has a 1D mkII, this would be a useful addition vs. buying a 1Ds MkII by the end of the year. The extra 3 grand could go towards more lenses.

Will it take a 550EX flash unit too ?

If it sells for $4000 it will have a market even it it isn't waterproof. The Full Frame sensor guarantees that. For some hobbiests it will be hard to turn away from a full frame camera with 14MP.
 
You know... you're not the one person in the world who buys camera gear. Calling it the death of the 1Ds and a marketing disaster is only in YOUR mind. Clearly there are people who would still pay the extra money for the 1Ds as shown in this thread.

It is hardly either of those. There are enough differences between the 1Ds and the SLR/c to warrant the higher price of the 1Ds. I'm sure we all already know the differences. What you might want to do is take a poll to see who would buy what at specific price points. If a random sampling of professional photographers shooting canon gear shows a 90% preference for the SLR/c at existing prices, then I'll agree with your two statements.

Joo
Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:
The Kodak make a nice studio SLR, though.
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Yep, looks like. And not really being a candidate for a PJ camera
like the 1DII, this is very exciting news for me.
Louis4444 said:
Maybe it will result in the 1Ds costing more like $5k.
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Hopefully... ...and/or in the early release of a forthcoming 1DsII.
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The new Kodak Sigma is not a competitor to the 1Ds at all - the difference in build quality and frame rate (plastic and 1.3fps - to name but two) ensures that. And what of the 'new' 1Ds (MkII)?

Then there is the question mark over the Kodak sensor - better than the 14n, but that's not hard - which as Paul Pope says is still not as good as it should be.

Don't forget that Kodak have virtually dumped film and see themselves as a digital imaging company now - they need to get their sensors out into the market anyway they can (the EF mount tie-up must be costing them some money to do this).

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Paul
 
If you assume that the Kodak Pro SLR has out performed the 1Ds and as such the 1Ds is dead, you will be left with egg on your face. Only a fool would suggest such a thing.

Yes it seems Kodak have improved the new camera, but it is still a dissappointment to some users.

Announce the death of the 1Ds at your own peril........
 
Sure it is different. It is not a PJ camera and is not nearly as rugged, but the fact is that the new Nikon version is selling for $3999, and will probably be $3500 before long.

In Phil's tests he showed that you really didn't get more detail out of the 14MP over the 11MP in the 1Ds except for wide angle lenses where not having an AA filter and microlenses caused less softening and CA on the edges.

My point is not that it competes with the 1D or 1Ds, but that if you had a 1D or 1D Mk II it would be a good camera to complement a 1D type camera. If you've got speed and a multiplier for long shots, then a slow FF camera that takes wide angle shots better would be a natural addition even it it's 14MP aren't the same quality, as Phil said it put all 6MP cameras to shame for sharpness in 6MP mode. So if you wanted a FF 6MP camera this would also be an option too. Smaller file size excellent sharpness and FF.

There are good selling points for this camera.
Paul Boothroyd said:
The new Kodak Sigma is not a competitor to the 1Ds at all - the
difference in build quality and frame rate (plastic and 1.3fps - to
name but two) ensures that. And what of the 'new' 1Ds (MkII)?
Then there is the question mark over the Kodak sensor - better than
the 14n, but that's not hard - which as Paul Pope says is still not
as good as it should be.
Don't forget that Kodak have virtually dumped film and see
themselves as a digital imaging company now - they need to get
their sensors out into the market anyway they can (the EF mount
tie-up must be costing them some money to do this).

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Paul
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If I marketed a camera consisting of a 20mp sensor stuck on the back of a cardboard tube with a pinhole for a lens, would that be a disaster for Canon, Kodak, Nikon, etc? The images would be horrible but the resolution would be really, really high. I could sell them to idiots who only look at the resolution number when selecting a camera.

Maybe Kodak has a chance to carve out a niche on this one, but their previous DSLR effort didn't have the capabilities I was interested in. More choice is good, but the 1D-II would still seem to be my upgrade path.
med007 said:
Louis4444 said:
med007 said:
No, this just means that Canon is finally going to have to reduce
the price of their 1Ds
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Nope. The 1Ds is designed to be Canon's digital flagship products,
built to demonstrate technological leadership in this young
industry. The fact that a Kodak body is now the EF mount camera
with the highest resultion is a real disaster in marketing terms...
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Why do you use the word "disaster"

Do you mean, "wake up call" or "get real about the price". disaster
it is not.

it just means that the rate of new camera rollout will increase.

Simply put, inventions for DR full depth color (Canons Foveon type
sensor) etc, will just come out earlier, that's all.

Asher
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med007 said:
Louis4444 said:
med007 said:
Why do you use the word "disaster"
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Call it a joke, then. I and some other people were really laughing
when ew read that Kodak manufactors the EF body with the highest
resolution. And personally, I call this a "marketing disaster".
med007 said:
Do you mean, "wake up call" or "get real about the price". disaster
it is not.
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...if you want to put it politely, sure :-)
med007 said:
Simply put, inventions for DR full depth color (Canons Foveon type
sensor) etc, will just come out earlier, that's all.
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Fair enough, I can live with that...
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Me? I'm joking too. i'm so crazy reading about this Kodak!

Now why doesn't Fuji do the same thing?

I always have likes people tones in the S2.

Who knows, Fuji would sell a hell of a lot more DSLR's that way!

Wouldn't that be funny!!

Asher
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Check out the eye-piece position on these Kodak bodies. It is actually recessed back in beyond the edge of the body. In virtually every other SLR body ever made the eye-piece extends outwards slightly so there is someplace for your nose to go.

It makes you wonder if any of the design engineers ever held the camera and took a photo. :-)
Louis4444 said:
I hereby would like to announce that Canon's flagship dSLR product
just died in a frontal collition with Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0403/04031802kodakslrc.asp

R.I.P.

Looks like the 1DsII will have to hit the market earlier and/or
prices of the 1Ds will have to be lowered significantly.
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I think he was being mildly tongue in cheek. Borne on the wave of enthusiasm and so forth... :-)
Joo said:
It is hardly either of those. There are enough differences between
the 1Ds and the SLR/c to warrant the higher price of the 1Ds. I'm
sure we all already know the differences. What you might want to do
is take a poll to see who would buy what at specific price points.
If a random sampling of professional photographers shooting canon
gear shows a 90% preference for the SLR/c at existing prices, then
I'll agree with your two statements.

Joo
Louis4444 said:
Joo said:
The Kodak make a nice studio SLR, though.
Click to expand...
Yep, looks like. And not really being a candidate for a PJ camera
like the 1DII, this is very exciting news for me.
Joo said:
Maybe it will result in the 1Ds costing more like $5k.
Click to expand...
Hopefully... ...and/or in the early release of a forthcoming 1DsII.
Click to expand...
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  • Maybe one day I'll take a decent picture. In the meantime, I'll
blame the equipment. :)



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Another body option is another reason to switch to Canon and they will sell more lenses. As for this camera affecting 1Ds sales or even price, I doubt it. I'm sure Canon's next version will have a high enough resolution to be in a class by itself.

Rick
 
The only - ONLY - advantage that Sigma/Kodak POS could possibly have is a tiny bit of resolution ... and from previous comparisons of the Kodak 14 series and the 1Ds (you DO read these things, right?) that difference is miniscule to non-existent.

Take a five minute exposure with the Kodak ... or take an ISO 1600 shot ... or take three shots per second. You'll be Oh-for-three.
You know these things ... so you are flame baiting. Stop it.
Ken
Louis4444 said:
Louis4444 said:
No, this just means that Canon is finally going to have to reduce
the price of their 1Ds
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Nope. The 1Ds is designed to be Canon's digital flagship products,
built to demonstrate technological leadership in this young
industry. The fact that a Kodak body is now the EF mount camera
with the highest resultion is a real disaster in marketing terms...
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I don't believe in fate, but I do believe in f/8!
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Joo said:
Calling it the death of the 1Ds and a marketing disaster is
only in YOUR mind.
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Yes, it's an optinion.
Joo said:
Clearly there are people who would still pay the
extra money for the 1Ds
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That's an opinion too.
Joo said:
There are enough differences between
the 1Ds and the SLR/c to warrant the higher price of the 1Ds.
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Nobody can tell yet; there aren't enough technical details availabley yet, not practical shooting experiences, nor sample pictures.

But the 1Ds as Canon's flagship product is dead, that's a fact.
 
Member said:
LOL ....if you think that ...wait until you see the files ...
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Read again what I said: "...I hereby would like to announce that Canon's flagship dSLR product just died..."

I didn't say it's the better camera or anything. But a Kodak camera being the digital EF body with the highest resolution is a good joke!
 
Does Kodak have to license the camera mount from Canon...and if so, why on earth would Canon do that aside from getting more ppl to jump/stay to their line of lenses.
Louis4444 said:
I hereby would like to announce that Canon's flagship dSLR product
just died in a frontal collition with Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0403/04031802kodakslrc.asp

R.I.P.

Looks like the 1DsII will have to hit the market earlier and/or
prices of the 1Ds will have to be lowered significantly.
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