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The posts roll by so quickly here, I don't know if this has been posted yet, or if everyone's aware of this or not, but Phil has posted the resolution test chart image for the D70. Click on the image of the chart at the bottom of the page here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d70.asp

Incidentally, I use Norton Internet Security, and the Ad Blocking feature prevents the small image of the chart from appearing (which you need to appear so you can click on it).

OK, for those feeling lazy about disabling their ad-blocker, here's a link to the chart itself (don't say I never did anything for you ;-) ):

http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/samples/rescharts/nikon_d70.jpg

Anyway, it seems like the resolution exceeds that of the D100 if you compare the similar shot posted in the D100 review. Also, it seems like the res may exceed the 300D/10D by a tiny bit, if you can go by this type of thing. I'm sure there are variables involved, as in the choice of lens, but, if they didn't count for anything why do them?... so at least it's a positive sign.

Anyway, test charts aren't nearly as helpful as real-world examples, and we're starting to see nice ones of those now, so I'm sure this type of thing isn't crucial. Still, I figured some of you might find it interesting.

Of course, if everyone's seen this, I've just wasted my breath. Bear in mind I was just trying to be helpful. :)

Mike
 
How depressingly inferior to the Fuji S2 pro:



(and yes, it shows in real world images)
mike_botelho said:
The posts roll by so quickly here, I don't know if this has been
posted yet, or if everyone's aware of this or not, but Phil has
posted the resolution test chart image for the D70. Click on the
image of the chart at the bottom of the page here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d70.asp

Incidentally, I use Norton Internet Security, and the Ad Blocking
feature prevents the small image of the chart from appearing (which
you need to appear so you can click on it).

OK, for those feeling lazy about disabling their ad-blocker, here's
a link to the chart itself (don't say I never did anything for you
;-) ):

http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/samples/rescharts/nikon_d70.jpg

Anyway, it seems like the resolution exceeds that of the D100 if
you compare the similar shot posted in the D100 review. Also, it
seems like the res may exceed the 300D/10D by a tiny bit, if you
can go by this type of thing. I'm sure there are variables
involved, as in the choice of lens, but, if they didn't count for
anything why do them?... so at least it's a positive sign.

Anyway, test charts aren't nearly as helpful as real-world
examples, and we're starting to see nice ones of those now, so I'm
sure this type of thing isn't crucial. Still, I figured some of
you might find it interesting.

Of course, if everyone's seen this, I've just wasted my breath.
Bear in mind I was just trying to be helpful. :)

Mike
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I wonder what happens if you align the chart 45 degrees to line up with the SuperCCD pattern...(or for that matter take a 45 degree shot on a standard orthogonal bayer array)...
Jared Hunter said:
How depressingly inferior to the Fuji S2 pro:

(and yes, it shows in real world images)
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... there're always areas of deficiency in any DSLR:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujis2pro/page15.asp

Quote --

SuperCCD Moiré

As we expected there is still some moiré visible in both 12 and 6 megapixel resolution images (more so at 12 megapixel). This moire only occurs on 45 degree detail such as hair, wires, gratings etc. It appears that the 45 degree pixel layout of the SuperCCD is to blame. That said it is definitely less than the S1 Pro and far less than the consumer SuperCCD digital cameras. Many 6 megapixel images didn't exhibit any moiré. We also found that RAW converted images had far less moiré than the equivalent JPEG image.

http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/FujiS2Pro/Samples/Flash/DSCF0277.JPG
http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/FujiS2Pro/Samples/SuperCCD/020628-0801-46.jpg

-- quote

No need to be depressed over it.
Jared Hunter said:
How depressingly inferior to the Fuji S2 pro:
http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/samples/rescharts/fuji_s2.jpg

(and yes, it shows in real world images)
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IMO, the moire effect is a lot worse and intrusive on the D70 images. At least with the S2, you can downsample a 12Mp and eliminate much of the moire.
David Chin said:
Quote --

SuperCCD Moiré
As we expected there is still some moiré visible in both 12 and 6
megapixel resolution images (more so at 12 megapixel). This moire
only occurs on 45 degree detail such as hair, wires, gratings etc.
It appears that the 45 degree pixel layout of the SuperCCD is to
blame. That said it is definitely less than the S1 Pro and far less
than the consumer SuperCCD digital cameras. Many 6 megapixel images
didn't exhibit any moiré. We also found that RAW converted images
had far less moiré than the equivalent JPEG image.

http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/FujiS2Pro/Samples/Flash/DSCF0277.JPG
http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/FujiS2Pro/Samples/SuperCCD/020628-0801-46.jpg

-- quote

No need to be depressed over it.
Jared Hunter said:
How depressingly inferior to the Fuji S2 pro:
http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/samples/rescharts/fuji_s2.jpg

(and yes, it shows in real world images)
Click to expand...
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Rgds,
David, C P 4 5 0 0 (see profile for more info)
http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/
C.P.5.4.0.0 - Personal Experiences :>
http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/cp5400_experiences
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Phil is getting ready for D70 review!

After looking carefully between D70 and 300D resolution shots, it appears to me that D70 does have slightly higher resolution.

I agreed with Hunter that D70 has more pronounced moire problem than other DSLRs. I've seen that maze-like pattern again and again. I was one of the guys raising concerns over this early on- still hate those moire artifacts. However, I've also convinced myself to judge it when my D70 arrives. I hope the rate it occurs in my shots will be low enough to be at peace with.

Photobug
mike_botelho said:
The posts roll by so quickly here, I don't know if this has been
posted yet, or if everyone's aware of this or not, but Phil has
posted the resolution test chart image for the D70. Click on the
image of the chart at the bottom of the page here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d70.asp

Incidentally, I use Norton Internet Security, and the Ad Blocking
feature prevents the small image of the chart from appearing (which
you need to appear so you can click on it).

OK, for those feeling lazy about disabling their ad-blocker, here's
a link to the chart itself (don't say I never did anything for you
;-) ):

http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/samples/rescharts/nikon_d70.jpg

Anyway, it seems like the resolution exceeds that of the D100 if
you compare the similar shot posted in the D100 review. Also, it
seems like the res may exceed the 300D/10D by a tiny bit, if you
can go by this type of thing. I'm sure there are variables
involved, as in the choice of lens, but, if they didn't count for
anything why do them?... so at least it's a positive sign.

Anyway, test charts aren't nearly as helpful as real-world
examples, and we're starting to see nice ones of those now, so I'm
sure this type of thing isn't crucial. Still, I figured some of
you might find it interesting.

Of course, if everyone's seen this, I've just wasted my breath.
Bear in mind I was just trying to be helpful. :)

Mike
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Preordered D70 kit on 1/29! Still waiting...
 
True, the D70 is faster, but I suspect for most D70 owners, the S2 Pro's speed would suffice. The Fuji's AA batteries are cheap and can be recharged in as little as 15 minutes. The CR123 isn't needed unless you require the onboard flash. A solution is to add the battery grip (MB-15?). The S2's jpgs are so superior to the Nikons' that most D70 type owners wouldn't bother with S2 RAW (but yes, RAW is too slow on the s2).
B Bretz said:
Jared Hunter said:
How depressingly inferior to the Fuji S2 pro:
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kaskimondo209365 said:
(and yes, it shows in real world images)
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And yes, but at twice the price and with depressingly inferior
battery use,continous shooting,slow raw coversion and color space
selection.

Touche!
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Jim Cullen said:
Now we know your view maybe you can forget it?

Cheers and happy shooting.
Jim
Jared Hunter said:
B Bretz said:
Jared Hunter said:
How depressingly inferior to the Fuji S2 pro:
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Jim Cullen said:
(and yes, it shows in real world images)
Click to expand...
And yes, but at twice the price and with depressingly inferior
battery use,continous shooting,slow raw coversion and color space
selection.

Touche!
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Looks good. Thanks for the link! That shouldn't leave anything to complain about the resolution. I'm starting to agree more and more with Michael Reichman about pixel peepers - that includes moire peepers, etc....

Thanks again! Ps. I should get my D70 anytime soon now....
mike_botelho said:
mike_botelho wrote:
The posts roll by so quickly here, I don't know if this has been
posted yet, or if everyone's aware of this or not, but Phil has
posted the resolution test chart image for the D70. Click on the
image of the chart at the bottom of the page here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Nikon/nikon_d70.asp

Incidentally, I use Norton Internet Security, and the Ad Blocking
feature prevents the small image of the chart from appearing (which
you need to appear so you can click on it).

OK, for those feeling lazy about disabling their ad-blocker, here's
a link to the chart itself (don't say I never did anything for you
;-) ):

http://img.dpreview.com/reviews/samples/rescharts/nikon_d70.jpg

Anyway, it seems like the resolution exceeds that of the D100 if
you compare the similar shot posted in the D100 review. Also, it
seems like the res may exceed the 300D/10D by a tiny bit, if you
can go by this type of thing. I'm sure there are variables
involved, as in the choice of lens, but, if they didn't count for
anything why do them?... so at least it's a positive sign.

Anyway, test charts aren't nearly as helpful as real-world
examples, and we're starting to see nice ones of those now, so I'm
sure this type of thing isn't crucial. Still, I figured some of
you might find it interesting.

Of course, if everyone's seen this, I've just wasted my breath.
Bear in mind I was just trying to be helpful. :)

Mike
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Very simple - price difference. The question is whether the improved image quality is worth the premium. The mix of pros and cons of the S2 does not make this an easy decision because one of its "pro"s (image quality) is arguably the most important.
Jim Cullen said:
with the D70 then?
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Arn said:
Looks good. Thanks for the link! That shouldn't leave anything to
complain about the resolution. I'm starting to agree more and more
with Michael Reichman about pixel peepers - that includes moire
peepers, etc....

Thanks again! Ps. I should get my D70 anytime soon now....
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Given that the moire was spotted on real life pictures first rather than resolution charts, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. If we ignore the charts and pose the question, "Are the images free from artifacts that we would not expect to see even on a point and shoot" the answer would have to be no.
 
Did you see this thread?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=8046767

Apparently the (imo, relatively rare) moire occurence might be related to jpg conversion. NEF seems to solve the problem.
Jared Hunter said:
Jared Hunter wrote:
Given that the moire was spotted on real life pictures first rather
than resolution charts, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. If we
ignore the charts and pose the question, "Are the images free from
artifacts that we would not expect to see even on a point and
shoot" the answer would have to be no.
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The price premium does make the decision very difficult. I was debating between these two cameras and when it came down to it, the slightly higher image quality of the S2 was not enough to justify another thousand dollars. The D70 is a great camera to get into the DSLR game and with a $1000 price tag, it would be conceivable to sell and upgrade in the future. The S2, on the other hand, doubles the stakes and since it's already an aging design (though still a fantastic camera), one might find it harder to sell and upgrade in the future. The S2 is a great camera but so is the D70 and at a thousand dollars less with a high-quallity kit lens, I had to go with the D70
.
Jared Hunter said:
Jim Cullen said:
with the D70 then?
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Well, you can still see the maze-like pattern in the fine print on the can in the NEF version. IMO, that's more serious than the orange/blue effects of moire which can be removed. IMO, if the fine lettering had just gracefully blurred, it'd be more natural looking than the "digital" looking patterns you see in fine details. I believe this is going to be a serious problem with landscapes e.g. leaves and finely detailed foliage.
Arn said:
Apparently the (imo, relatively rare) moire occurence might be
related to jpg conversion. NEF seems to solve the problem.
Arn said:
Jared Hunter wrote:
Given that the moire was spotted on real life pictures first rather
than resolution charts, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. If we
ignore the charts and pose the question, "Are the images free from
artifacts that we would not expect to see even on a point and
shoot" the answer would have to be no.
Click to expand...
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