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Which is exactly what I have been doing with my brand new 1 week old 1D original.
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Ulysses
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Heheh... Let's just leave it be, John. It's not really a point of contention that needs to concern us. For myself, I should have hit the "CANCEL" button before I allowed my own wry sense of humor slip out.
They're nice pictures. And soon we'll all have either reviews or the actual camera in our hands to try out for ourselves. And then no one else's opinion will really matter anyway, right?
It does feel like an amazing piece of gear. My subjective comments, of course.
Ulysses
They're nice pictures. And soon we'll all have either reviews or the actual camera in our hands to try out for ourselves. And then no one else's opinion will really matter anyway, right?
It does feel like an amazing piece of gear. My subjective comments, of course.
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Ulysses
First of all, why do I have to prove anything to you? Did you read that thread, or any of this one in fact. The original thread never implied I actually recieved one did it, or do you have trouble with English?
Why don't you send the same message to the email address on the web site and see what kind of response I send.
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Why don't you send the same message to the email address on the web site and see what kind of response I send.
--( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=7881523 ) implied you had a 1D MKII, and put a little doubt on your credibility. And it's hard to understand how a former Canon rep, with inside contacts and info, could make such a miscalculation.
Do you have a way of proving these photos to be yours?
John
I have nothing to prove to anyone.
--Heheh... in the span of one week here, you've managed to post a
range of things: From stating that you have a Mark II, to now
stating that you worked for Canon Oz and now know the approximate
delivery dates for the same camera. It's amazing!!
I want to believe the site and photos are yours, too, but your
brief track record here so far makes it difficult to know who the
real Darrin is.
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For someone who puts 'Photographer' as their profession it seems strange that you have no link to your work. Prove you're a photographer John.
This is a bizarre place. People can't read properly and then criticise people who actually get out there and produce quality work.
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This is a bizarre place. People can't read properly and then criticise people who actually get out there and produce quality work.
--Why don't you send the same message to the email address on the web
site and see what kind of response I send.
--( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=7881523 ) implied you had a 1D MKII, and put a little doubt on your credibility. And it's hard to understand how a former Canon rep, with inside contacts and info, could make such a miscalculation.
Do you have a way of proving these photos to be yours?
John
I have nothing to prove to anyone.
--Heheh... in the span of one week here, you've managed to post a
range of things: From stating that you have a Mark II, to now
stating that you worked for Canon Oz and now know the approximate
delivery dates for the same camera. It's amazing!!
I want to believe the site and photos are yours, too, but your
brief track record here so far makes it difficult to know who the
real Darrin is.
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Ulysses
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Donald Cooper
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Darren,
Just relax my friend. On a forum like this anyone can post anything, and from time to time people knowingly post misleading info. A year or so ago someone was telling everyone how X piece of equipment was so much better than the competition, and how they had proved this by blind comparisons with third parties -- trouble was X hadn't been released!
So when new people show up with lots of interesting information some people verify the authenticity by challenging the posts. It's actually not a bad system really, though I'm sure it feels nasty. When I first posted a few years back some guy kept claiming I worked for a manufacturer and was a plant. Silly nonesense of course and I think it was uncalled for, but it passed pretty quickly.
I for one LOVE your pictures BTW, and I think I mentioned before any of this started. In a strange way, rather than get all fussed up about challenges relating to the pictures' ownership you should be quite pleased: this is an excellent indication of how good they are perceived to be. If anyone thought they were run of the mill no one would suggest they weren't yours. The fact they are questioning indicates that they feel the images to be of extraordinary quality. So take the compliments where you can! Assuming they're yours of course. (Only kidding, only kidding, can't help it. LOL)
Cheers
DSC
Just relax my friend. On a forum like this anyone can post anything, and from time to time people knowingly post misleading info. A year or so ago someone was telling everyone how X piece of equipment was so much better than the competition, and how they had proved this by blind comparisons with third parties -- trouble was X hadn't been released!
So when new people show up with lots of interesting information some people verify the authenticity by challenging the posts. It's actually not a bad system really, though I'm sure it feels nasty. When I first posted a few years back some guy kept claiming I worked for a manufacturer and was a plant. Silly nonesense of course and I think it was uncalled for, but it passed pretty quickly.
I for one LOVE your pictures BTW, and I think I mentioned before any of this started. In a strange way, rather than get all fussed up about challenges relating to the pictures' ownership you should be quite pleased: this is an excellent indication of how good they are perceived to be. If anyone thought they were run of the mill no one would suggest they weren't yours. The fact they are questioning indicates that they feel the images to be of extraordinary quality. So take the compliments where you can! Assuming they're yours of course. (Only kidding, only kidding, can't help it. LOL)
Cheers
DSC
This is a bizarre place. People can't read properly and then
criticise people who actually get out there and produce quality
work.
--Why don't you send the same message to the email address on the web
site and see what kind of response I send.
--( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=7881523 ) implied you had a 1D MKII, and put a little doubt on your credibility. And it's hard to understand how a former Canon rep, with inside contacts and info, could make such a miscalculation.
Do you have a way of proving these photos to be yours?
John
I have nothing to prove to anyone.
--Heheh... in the span of one week here, you've managed to post a
range of things: From stating that you have a Mark II, to now
stating that you worked for Canon Oz and now know the approximate
delivery dates for the same camera. It's amazing!!
I want to believe the site and photos are yours, too, but your
brief track record here so far makes it difficult to know who the
real Darrin is.
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Ulysses
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Ulysses
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Hi there, Darrin. I know the natural thing after taking a few hits (direct or otherwise) from others is to hit back. But let's not let it come to this.
What you're seeing here is the typical cycle and range of reactions that come about WHENEVER a new piece of gear is nearing release, particularly one that is as hotly anticipated as the Mark II. And to be perfectly honest, the reaction to your comments about getting a Mark II so early were rather tame compared to what we've seen in the past and in other forums.
Everyone clamors for new information. And when someone offers to have that information FIRST, even before Phil and the other reviewers, then it's most often met with skepticism. The natives get even more restless when a promised set of pictures isn't delivered. And THEN when you do deliver them, there will be mounds of critics to tell you why they aren't really from the camera you claim it to be, or why they don't measure up to Camera X, Y, or Z.
It's not just the forum. It's just typical group behavior. I figured I'd give you a little backstory here since you're relatively new to this forum. Hopefully it helps you put some of the reactions in perspective. We're all guilty of it. You'll probably do it to someone else yourself one of these days (there are PLENTY of fakers and true trolls... hence Phil's rules about such). And sometimes people overreact. In time, though, everyone settles down and gets back to the business of taking pictures.
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Ulysses
http://www.ulyssesphotography.com
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Ulysses
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I seem to remember a certain "holy" person announcing that he had the MKII about 3 weeks ago on this site. Have we seen any images from him yet. He is supposed to have tons of credibility!
I think you need to give this guy who said "he was getting" NOT GOT this camera a break!
How about asking the other person proof that he has the camera?
Thanks
David
Scooter
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John Mackintosh
Leading Member
I like your handle, Gotya. I'm not a frequent viewer, so it took me awhile to figure out this "holy" person. Finally the Vatican came to mind and I knew who you meant. I guess he's still out fishing.
But really, if I told you I was the proud owner of an Oldsmobile Intrigue, wouldn't you think I had one? I think it was reasonable for me, and others, to believe Darrin had a Canon 1D Mark II camera when HE wrote "Proud owner of 1D MKII". Gotya Darrin.
John
But really, if I told you I was the proud owner of an Oldsmobile Intrigue, wouldn't you think I had one? I think it was reasonable for me, and others, to believe Darrin had a Canon 1D Mark II camera when HE wrote "Proud owner of 1D MKII". Gotya Darrin.
John
But, he said he was "going" to be a proud owner of the camera! "Going" is the key word here. We are all going to be the proud owner (if on the list).I like your handle, Gotya. I'm not a frequent viewer, so it took me
awhile to figure out this "holy" person. Finally the Vatican came
to mind and I knew who you meant. I guess he's still out fishing.
But really, if I told you I was the proud owner of an Oldsmobile
Intrigue, wouldn't you think I had one? I think it was reasonable
for me, and others, to believe Darrin had a Canon 1D Mark II camera
when HE wrote "Proud owner of 1D MKII". Gotya Darrin.
John
Now, on the other hand, some people (who I will not mention, you know who you are) have flaunted on this very site 3 weeks ago, that they actually have a pre-production model, but have not been good enough to share any images (because of some peanut gallery?) Maybe we should question that person more than this one? Just my thoughts!
David.
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David Martin
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Perhaps checking the posting history of Stephen and Paul shows why many of us trust them - they have been around years, and have always provided excellent information.
It seems rather strange on your first posts on this forum to imply that they don't know what they are talking about, or to comnpare their posts with another who has been posting for a week.
Sorry, I know who has credibility as far as I am concerned.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
It seems rather strange on your first posts on this forum to imply that they don't know what they are talking about, or to comnpare their posts with another who has been posting for a week.
Sorry, I know who has credibility as far as I am concerned.
--But, he said he was "going" to be a proud owner of the camera!I like your handle, Gotya. I'm not a frequent viewer, so it took me
awhile to figure out this "holy" person. Finally the Vatican came
to mind and I knew who you meant. I guess he's still out fishing.
But really, if I told you I was the proud owner of an Oldsmobile
Intrigue, wouldn't you think I had one? I think it was reasonable
for me, and others, to believe Darrin had a Canon 1D Mark II camera
when HE wrote "Proud owner of 1D MKII". Gotya Darrin.
John
"Going" is the key word here. We are all going to be the proud
owner (if on the list).
Now, on the other hand, some people (who I will not mention, you
know who you are) have flaunted on this very site 3 weeks ago, that
they actually have a pre-production model, but have not been good
enough to share any images (because of some peanut gallery?) Maybe
we should question that person more than this one? Just my thoughts!
David.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
David,
Not sure who you are referring to.
Darrin
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Not sure who you are referring to.
Darrin
----But, he said he was "going" to be a proud owner of the camera!I like your handle, Gotya. I'm not a frequent viewer, so it took me
awhile to figure out this "holy" person. Finally the Vatican came
to mind and I knew who you meant. I guess he's still out fishing.
But really, if I told you I was the proud owner of an Oldsmobile
Intrigue, wouldn't you think I had one? I think it was reasonable
for me, and others, to believe Darrin had a Canon 1D Mark II camera
when HE wrote "Proud owner of 1D MKII". Gotya Darrin.
John
"Going" is the key word here. We are all going to be the proud
owner (if on the list).
Now, on the other hand, some people (who I will not mention, you
know who you are) have flaunted on this very site 3 weeks ago, that
they actually have a pre-production model, but have not been good
enough to share any images (because of some peanut gallery?) Maybe
we should question that person more than this one? Just my thoughts!
David.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
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David Martin
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Sorry, Darrin, I was not having a go at you, you just kind of got dragged into it inadvertently!
Others seemed to be comparing credibilities, and questioning why people like Paul and Stephen were accepted as knowing what they were talking about, when doubt has been expressed about others credibility.
My only interest is to explain why Paul and Stephen are regarded as very credible - I have no wish to attack you in any way, I was just expressing the opinion that obviously more doubt is natural about people who we don't know.
I certainly have no reason to question your posts, nor did I intend to do so.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
Others seemed to be comparing credibilities, and questioning why people like Paul and Stephen were accepted as knowing what they were talking about, when doubt has been expressed about others credibility.
My only interest is to explain why Paul and Stephen are regarded as very credible - I have no wish to attack you in any way, I was just expressing the opinion that obviously more doubt is natural about people who we don't know.
I certainly have no reason to question your posts, nor did I intend to do so.
--Not sure who you are referring to.
Darrin
----But, he said he was "going" to be a proud owner of the camera!I like your handle, Gotya. I'm not a frequent viewer, so it took me
awhile to figure out this "holy" person. Finally the Vatican came
to mind and I knew who you meant. I guess he's still out fishing.
But really, if I told you I was the proud owner of an Oldsmobile
Intrigue, wouldn't you think I had one? I think it was reasonable
for me, and others, to believe Darrin had a Canon 1D Mark II camera
when HE wrote "Proud owner of 1D MKII". Gotya Darrin.
John
"Going" is the key word here. We are all going to be the proud
owner (if on the list).
Now, on the other hand, some people (who I will not mention, you
know who you are) have flaunted on this very site 3 weeks ago, that
they actually have a pre-production model, but have not been good
enough to share any images (because of some peanut gallery?) Maybe
we should question that person more than this one? Just my thoughts!
David.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
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Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
Donian
Forum Enthusiast
That souds like it came directly from a Nikon user, they seem to like to call people trolls.
Shame to see it in a Canon forum.
Anyway I understand your position, lets try to be a little bit more forgiving maybe though?
Shame to see it in a Canon forum.
Anyway I understand your position, lets try to be a little bit more forgiving maybe though?
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David Martin
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That's exactly why I only give credibility to those who do post under their own names, or at least a consistent handle.
If you choose not to establish crediblity by those means, you can hardly complain when you are evaluated by that which you have presented - ie, no
track record and seeming at least to imply that two very respected posters, who, incidentally, so far as I know do post under their own names, are possibly misleading or mis-stating their experience with the 1D2, since their competance can hardly be questioned.
You have presented no history of posting and therefore your comments are evaluated accordingly.
Regards,
DaveMart
Please see profile for equipment
If you choose not to establish crediblity by those means, you can hardly complain when you are evaluated by that which you have presented - ie, no
track record and seeming at least to imply that two very respected posters, who, incidentally, so far as I know do post under their own names, are possibly misleading or mis-stating their experience with the 1D2, since their competance can hardly be questioned.
You have presented no history of posting and therefore your comments are evaluated accordingly.
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Regards,
DaveMart
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Ulysses
Guest
Isn't it the First Rule of the Internet: Don't trust what you read or who you don't know. That's the way it works in any community.
You trust those who have established themselves much more readily than someone who has newly arrived here since we don't know the history of the latter much if at all.
I agree with you that Darrin inadvertently got pulled into something he didn't really start. This would have happened with anyone else in a similar position as himself. It's not pretty, but it's the system of checks and balances here to ensure that rumor doesn't become taken as fact.
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Ulysses
http://www.ulyssesphotography.com
mark kay
Veteran Member
Go to Rob G's site and Chuck Westfall is quoted as confirming first delivery towards teh end of April
http://www.robgalbraith.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB18&Number=216197&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=5
http://www.robgalbraith.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB18&Number=216197&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=5
Darrin, I just wanted to compliment you on your web page . . . great images . . . I love your stuff.
Mitch G.
PS Pay no attention to some of the "stuff" thrown at you in this string of posts. People with too many frustrations and too much time on their hands will often attack for no reason whatsoever . . . I've lurked around here for a year or so, and have gotten lots of good information, and have learned much. I've also run into strings of posts arguing to the death over the pros and cons of hypothetical cameras, sensors, etc., or the praising or damning of cameras that neither side of the argument has ever used or seen.
Keep posting, and ignore the rantings of those that should be ignored.
(all IMHO, of course!)
Mitch G.
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Mitch G.
PS Pay no attention to some of the "stuff" thrown at you in this string of posts. People with too many frustrations and too much time on their hands will often attack for no reason whatsoever . . . I've lurked around here for a year or so, and have gotten lots of good information, and have learned much. I've also run into strings of posts arguing to the death over the pros and cons of hypothetical cameras, sensors, etc., or the praising or damning of cameras that neither side of the argument has ever used or seen.
Keep posting, and ignore the rantings of those that should be ignored.
(all IMHO, of course!)
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Mitch G.
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