Iliah Borg
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If I have 2 cameras, I rarely if ever need 2 mains adaptors, and never need 2 Captures. Canon users are paying for theese all the way, with each new camera.
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Nikon Capture should be free
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Ron Frank
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I clean my CCD on the D1x by using the 30 sec shutter speed.
I do not own NC, but use photoshop CS, and download with vew.
I'll likely purchase NC at some point, but there always seems to be other tools that take priority.
One does NOT need NC to use Nikon RAW. Vew handles most of the RAW functionality, but NC does provide benifits. RR says that NC is a much more powerful batch engine, and he feels the histogram support in NC is better than in photoshop. I'm not sure if he is using CS as the histogram support when one opens a RAW file is very good in CS.
IMO NC should be bundled at no charge at least with the more expensive camera's (I paid $4500 for a D1x, and got a good deal....ouch!). That's wittout the buffer upgrade (yes, cry me a river!). For the D70 IMO making it an add on is not so bad. It's a relatively inexpensive model, and many consumers who purchase the D70 will be happy with view.
But My Opinion really does not count for much since Nikon is going to do what they choose, which is there right. It's our right to either support Nikon through the purchase of products, or not. Complaining about it certainly does not accomplish much.
Ron
I do not own NC, but use photoshop CS, and download with vew.
I'll likely purchase NC at some point, but there always seems to be other tools that take priority.
One does NOT need NC to use Nikon RAW. Vew handles most of the RAW functionality, but NC does provide benifits. RR says that NC is a much more powerful batch engine, and he feels the histogram support in NC is better than in photoshop. I'm not sure if he is using CS as the histogram support when one opens a RAW file is very good in CS.
IMO NC should be bundled at no charge at least with the more expensive camera's (I paid $4500 for a D1x, and got a good deal....ouch!). That's wittout the buffer upgrade (yes, cry me a river!). For the D70 IMO making it an add on is not so bad. It's a relatively inexpensive model, and many consumers who purchase the D70 will be happy with view.
But My Opinion really does not count for much since Nikon is going to do what they choose, which is there right. It's our right to either support Nikon through the purchase of products, or not. Complaining about it certainly does not accomplish much.
Ron
Ron Frank
Senior Member
How many D70 owners NEED remote control access via a PC. I'd guess VERY few. How many even want it?
Since one is attached to a PC via a cord, it's a rather limited option.
Nikon has put a LOT of the original functionality from Capture into view. Initially one could NOT change WB or Exposure RAW with View...So things HAVE improved. If Nikon put ALL the features of capture into View, then who would purchase Capture? It's hardly a PS replacement, but it IS a powerful if limited tool. Based on what I've read, software solutions from other manufactures are really poor, even if free. View IS bundled.
If one MUST have the remote control option, than shad up, and purchase capture. I wish MANYthings in life were free that R not. But how would it be if whatever you make a living doing was something that people felt should be free?
Anyone can do "X", so why should we pay? Replace "X" with move furniture, cut lawns, landscape, install sinks.... you get the picture. As a software developer I'm surprised how many FREE packages R out there. Be glad because while most of us can cut grass, most can NOT develop software.
Ron
Since one is attached to a PC via a cord, it's a rather limited option.
Nikon has put a LOT of the original functionality from Capture into view. Initially one could NOT change WB or Exposure RAW with View...So things HAVE improved. If Nikon put ALL the features of capture into View, then who would purchase Capture? It's hardly a PS replacement, but it IS a powerful if limited tool. Based on what I've read, software solutions from other manufactures are really poor, even if free. View IS bundled.
If one MUST have the remote control option, than shad up, and purchase capture. I wish MANYthings in life were free that R not. But how would it be if whatever you make a living doing was something that people felt should be free?
Anyone can do "X", so why should we pay? Replace "X" with move furniture, cut lawns, landscape, install sinks.... you get the picture. As a software developer I'm surprised how many FREE packages R out there. Be glad because while most of us can cut grass, most can NOT develop software.
Ron
Michael Worley
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Michael Worley
Senior Member
. . . the more I can get without paying for it, the better. As long as somebody else is subsidizing it and not me. Say, do you have any influence with Nikon so I can start expecting some of this swag to start showing up soon?
Regards,
Mike
Regards,
Mike
Ron Frank
Senior Member
Or something similar. I have not tried everything out there, so I can not say that PS is the only option.
PS however is so powerful (and complex) that one can spend years using it, and just touch the surface of the capabilities....
PS CS has a HUGE amount of RAW 16 bit support built in. Check out the Current issue of Digital Pro Photo for a good introduction of the power of RAW support in CS.
I posed a thread a while back on how to pick up PS CS for about $250 LEGALLY (full version, not student, NOT OEM)! Find the thread, and it can save you hundreds.
Ron
PS however is so powerful (and complex) that one can spend years using it, and just touch the surface of the capabilities....
PS CS has a HUGE amount of RAW 16 bit support built in. Check out the Current issue of Digital Pro Photo for a good introduction of the power of RAW support in CS.
I posed a thread a while back on how to pick up PS CS for about $250 LEGALLY (full version, not student, NOT OEM)! Find the thread, and it can save you hundreds.
Ron
Mac Digitalist
Leading Member
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No, but it still smacks of dishonest marketing, as both "add-ons" are essential.
- McD.
Just what on earth is a 'lense'?
Ron Frank
Senior Member
Not sure what forums you came from, certainly NOT Canon.... This thread is almost tame, you're going to be shocked if you think these are flames
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Nikon supplies View for viewing and editing RAW files. View is free, and I'm sure you know this by now. They charge for capture which is a more "feature packed editing program"....
So you're opinion is apparently right in line with Nikon thinking....
Ron
->Nikon supplies View for viewing and editing RAW files. View is free, and I'm sure you know this by now. They charge for capture which is a more "feature packed editing program"....
So you're opinion is apparently right in line with Nikon thinking....
Ron
Okay boys enough already! I've seen more flaming here in one day
than I saw in 2+ years in three other forums put together! I for
one am not making a dime from my photography, so it can get pretty
expensive. I don't think it's unreasonable to want camera
manufacturers to supply halfway decent software for viewing and
editing RAW files, then perhaps charge money for a more
feature-packed editing program. If you don't like my opinion then
b*te me!
Cassandra
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Ron Frank
Senior Member
Nikon has a 30 day trial version.... Comes with all bodies, and I'm guessing one can download it from Nikon's site as well....
Ron
Ron
Ron Frank
Senior Member
Think again.
Retail on the 1ds is 8K. You could NOT use it out of box, because it does NOT include storage! My Olympus E10 came with storage, but Canon does not, nor does Nikon. For 8K one would think they could thrown in a 256mb card...right? That's the nature of professional level camera's, and you for one, should know that.
Give us a break Ger. Canon is NOT the Holy Grail of manufactures even if you REALLY are stuck on them.
While other manufactures lower prices, Canon keeps prices high in area's they have a niche, like the 1Ds. Canon is hardly your friend. They are an equipment manufacture, and one who will eeekk out every penny they can for the products they make.
Ron
Retail on the 1ds is 8K. You could NOT use it out of box, because it does NOT include storage! My Olympus E10 came with storage, but Canon does not, nor does Nikon. For 8K one would think they could thrown in a 256mb card...right? That's the nature of professional level camera's, and you for one, should know that.
Give us a break Ger. Canon is NOT the Holy Grail of manufactures even if you REALLY are stuck on them.
While other manufactures lower prices, Canon keeps prices high in area's they have a niche, like the 1Ds. Canon is hardly your friend. They are an equipment manufacture, and one who will eeekk out every penny they can for the products they make.
Ron
Cassandra59044
Veteran Member
I figured that out after reading a few replies to my posts. Will try NV when my camera arrives and see if it meets my needs.
I just hope Isabel doesn't decide against a D70 based on the nasty remarks of a few members in this forum the past couple of days. She is a remarkably talented and very sweet-natured person.
Cassandra
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
I just hope Isabel doesn't decide against a D70 based on the nasty remarks of a few members in this forum the past couple of days. She is a remarkably talented and very sweet-natured person.
Cassandra
--Nikon supplies View for viewing and editing RAW files. View is
free, and I'm sure you know this by now. They charge for capture
which is a more "feature packed editing program"....
So you're opinion is apparently right in line with Nikon thinking....
Ron
Okay boys enough already! I've seen more flaming here in one day
than I saw in 2+ years in three other forums put together! I for
one am not making a dime from my photography, so it can get pretty
expensive. I don't think it's unreasonable to want camera
manufacturers to supply halfway decent software for viewing and
editing RAW files, then perhaps charge money for a more
feature-packed editing program. If you don't like my opinion then
b*te me!
Cassandra
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http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
Being a boy of 40+ with 3 sons (yes my poor wife, 4 kids to look after and all them male :O ) I have no idea what you are talking about99% of the time it is boys who like to argue for the sake of
argument. I grew up with four brothers and raised two sons so I
know this!
I will dl NV and give it a try when my D70 arrives.
Cassandra
You will find there are much more constructive threads here but anything starting "Nikon Capture should be free" is not going to be one of them. You will also learn who to listen to and who are just here to troll, not that I would mention any names Ger Bee .
Jason
George Tseng
Well-known member
Cassandra-Okay boys enough already! I've seen more flaming here in one day
than I saw in 2+ years in three other forums put together! I for
one am not making a dime from my photography, so it can get pretty
expensive. I don't think it's unreasonable to want camera
manufacturers to supply halfway decent software for viewing and
editing RAW files, then perhaps charge money for a more
feature-packed editing program. If you don't like my opinion then
b*te me!
Theres the rub, halfway decent software. Why do you think PS Capture Raw and Capture 1 came to life? Most of the other D-SLR manufacturer's software basically sucked, even for JPEGs. Things are better now, but so are Nikon View and Capture 4.1.
Nikon View does a lot more now then it ever did, including very basic RAW editing. Capture 4.1 has solved a lot of issues, including opening straight to PS. If you need tethered support, then I would think one would know enough to know that $99 for Capture 4 is well worth the price. Look at how much PS/CS and Capture cost!
I run a P4 2.8HT, 2GB DDRAM PC3200, 100GB and 120GB scratch drive, Nvidia 3D card with 128MB DDRAM, DVD+ -R/RW, CDR/RW drives. Photoshop CS, Nikon View 6.2 and Capture 4.1, and Kodak Photodesk all run without issues now.
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George Tseng
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marek k
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you get less and less objective Ger Bee....
Ger Bee wrote:
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http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
Ger Bee wrote:
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-marek
http://www.iso1600.neostrada.pl/
http://www.usefilm.com/browse.php?mode=port&data=14298
Cassandra59044
Veteran Member
Yes, GerBee. ahem shall we change the subject?
Oh and I forgot to mention we also have a four year old grandson, our pride and joy and all boy!
I am liking it here already and can hardly wait for my D70 to arrive. Not so sure I'm brave enough to post photos taken with it though!
Cassandra
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
Oh and I forgot to mention we also have a four year old grandson, our pride and joy and all boy!
I am liking it here already and can hardly wait for my D70 to arrive. Not so sure I'm brave enough to post photos taken with it though!
Cassandra
--Being a boy of 40+ with 3 sons (yes my poor wife, 4 kids to look
after and all them male :O ) I have no idea what you are talking
about
You will find there are much more constructive threads here but
anything starting "Nikon Capture should be free" is not going to be
one of them. You will also learn who to listen to and who are just
here to troll, not that I would mention any names Ger Bee .
Jason
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
Greg Gebhardt
Forum Pro
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I guess you think that PhotoShop is only worth the cost of the CD it is written on, also.
I can see you are a simple worker and not in management!
Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida
http://www.pbase.com/greggebhardt
Cassandra59044
Veteran Member
I'll try Nikon View first and see if it meets my needs. I would like to avoid upgrading from PS7 to PS CS if possible because of memory issues many have complained about.
Cassandra
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
Cassandra
--Cassandra-Okay boys enough already! I've seen more flaming here in one day
than I saw in 2+ years in three other forums put together! I for
one am not making a dime from my photography, so it can get pretty
expensive. I don't think it's unreasonable to want camera
manufacturers to supply halfway decent software for viewing and
editing RAW files, then perhaps charge money for a more
feature-packed editing program. If you don't like my opinion then
b*te me!
Theres the rub, halfway decent software. Why do you think PS
Capture Raw and Capture 1 came to life? Most of the other D-SLR
manufacturer's software basically sucked, even for JPEGs. Things
are better now, but so are Nikon View and Capture 4.1.
Nikon View does a lot more now then it ever did, including very
basic RAW editing. Capture 4.1 has solved a lot of issues,
including opening straight to PS. If you need tethered support,
then I would think one would know enough to know that $99 for
Capture 4 is well worth the price. Look at how much PS/CS and
Capture cost!
I run a P4 2.8HT, 2GB DDRAM PC3200, 100GB and 120GB scratch drive,
Nvidia 3D card with 128MB DDRAM, DVD+ -R/RW, CDR/RW drives.
Photoshop CS, Nikon View 6.2 and Capture 4.1, and Kodak Photodesk
all run without issues now.
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George Tseng
Serious Amateur Photographer/Nikon and Epson User, Saint Louis, MO
Equipment on Profile
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra
Iliah Borg
Forum Pro
jb_va2001
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