Please comment on this Studio Portrait

I hope it was of some use to you. When physical space is limited we can often compensate with faster lenses, focal lengths, etc... It's not often we're in the perfect environment so we have to cheat when we can..:)

BKKSW
When I said pick it apart, you don't mess around, and I like that.
I'll tell you, they were as far away as possible from the BG, @6ft,
and I shot with an open f3.2 aperture. Don't know what else to do,
except use some gaussian blur on it, which i will now do. Am very
limited on the depth at which I can shoot. I will use all these
suggestions for future shoots, thanks!

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This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
...

someone else commented on lighting setup - I'd be interested to know just where you positioned your lights etc. Can you possibly do and post a diagram showing bg, subject(s), light(s), camera positions? To me the shadow on the man's face ?should? have been dealt with by the fill light, which, if I understand correctly should ?always? ?ideally? be in line with the camera axis? I think this might have helped, but am also rank amateur and have never done anything anywhere near this good .. but am also trying to learn hence the participation in this thread.

Only other comment, beyond "nice shot", is I would try to get the mother to incline her head toward the father - as it is it almost looks like she's trying to get back away from him a bit. Being very picky, I know, but am also open to my "criticism" being criticized.

Darren
 
Steve, you make great pictures, and your call for comments show that you're only interested in better results.

First I usually don't like that kind of posed pictures. I often have the impression that people look kind of stiff, in unnatural poses. IMHO this applies somewhat to the man and the kid. I even wonder if the man in particular was really confortable lying the way he is in the picture. If he is in an position that's really artificial then to me the picture does not look right (but frankly that's only me).

The most difficult part in this kind of a picture is ... a person: the baby. I know Mom and Dad are going to hate this, but you should really insist on removing the pacifier, because we can't really see how cute baby is. Suggest that the parents take their time to find a way distract the child and remove the dear thing, because an upset baby won't help either ...

Further, babies don't respond to "Smile ! " ... But ideally you have to find something to make him just do that. And whatever you try to get his attention must be in a way that make him look at the camera (i.e. your friend making faces must be behind the camera). The baby is nearly looking at the camera in this picture.

In terms of overall composition, you did a good job. But (again that's me) I hate missing limb parts (in this case most of the father's legs). This is accentuated by the fact that we can see the body of all the other members of the family.

"A good background is a blurred background", as is the say for portraits. Certainly the case here. IMHO (and really a question of taste), this background is kind of sinister. I find it mystifying that portrait protography professionals use it at all. But I have to admit that this is a popular choice.

I find the lighting of the subjects very good, except for the man's face and the background behind him. One cheek and the tip of his nose shines, yet his neck is very dark, and because the background is not very well lit behind him his (dark) hairs are hard to discern against the background. Still you did a pretty good job.

And I'll conclude my comments on a positive one: I really like the woman in the picture (photographically, of course), because she seems more natural to me, relaxed, smiling but not in an exagerated way. Again in this kind of pictures I personally think that the photograph must try to get a result that does not look rigid, forced, although this is hard to achieve in such posed pictures. One detail I really like: her hairs that very so slightly cover a little of her face (although maybe a little too much because we don't see well one of her eyes). Indeed that's the natural way her hairs spread on her face, and that is what I look for in this kind of pictures.

Oh ! And one more thing, thank you for sharing, Looking at this picture with a critical eye reminds me of a few things that I often forget when I take pictures. So we all learn,

Best regards,
Thierry
 
Steven,

Of all things mentioned, and you got some really good critiques, the shadow on the background next to the guy is the most distracting because it really pulled my eye. I downloaded your jpeg to test and played with Dodge in PS and it lightened up very nicely. I think that one thing alone will make quite a difference.

Of all the comments made, several things which bothered me least were the hair over her eye. The eye is still there and it looks natural to me. The shadow under the guys chin is not good, but bothers less when the background to his left is lightened.

Please show us what you wind up with. I like the mind test, too, and overall I think it is very good photo. (Worst sin is the pacifier).

Regards,

Paul
This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
of the lighting, composition, and choice of crop. This is just an
intial proof. Do not hold back on my account Please be open and
speak your mind, my skin is like a Rhino's ;c) But do also keep in
mind, I am a rank amatuer.



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Andy,

I am new to this, but for wahtever is worth, I would add more light on the husband's head, it is a bit darker than the rest, it is blending too much with the background. The rest looks absolutelly great!!, what lens did you use for the shot?
Eric
Hmmmmn... rank amatuer you say......understatement of the year i
think.

Regards Andy
This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
of the lighting, composition, and choice of crop. This is just an
intial proof. Do not hold back on my account Please be open and
speak your mind, my skin is like a Rhino's ;c) But do also keep in
mind, I am a rank amatuer.



--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
 
Nice comments made by BKKSW. I would have the man sit up more, add a small light hitting the man from the back side and , for sure move the mans left hand. It is poping out of no where. As for the white pants, mabye try placing some kind of a bord to soften/cut down the light falling there. Try the main light from the left side and a reflector on the right.

I know about shortage of space, I go through it too. But keep trying different formulas and you will have a pretty good light setup. Best of luck
This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
of the lighting, composition, and choice of crop. This is just an
intial proof. Do not hold back on my account Please be open and
speak your mind, my skin is like a Rhino's ;c) But do also keep in
mind, I am a rank amatuer.



--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
--
AKS
 
Hi Steven,

It is a nice picture overall. However, I would like you to try to put the mainlight on the right side of the family ( short side of the lady's face ) so the shadow will fall on the board side which will make the lady's face look a bit slim and avoid the shadow on the man's chin.

Regards, Norm
 
while tethered to my laptop, and running N Capture Control. This one was handheld, while their standing shot was on tripod.
Exif copied from N View:
Nikon D2H
2004/03/07 17:04:18.6
RAW (12-bit) Lossless
Image Size: Large (2464 x 1632)
Lens: VR 70-200mm f/2.8 G
Focal Length: 70mm
Exposure Mode: Manual
Metering Mode: Center-Weighted
1/60 sec - f/3.2
Exposure Comp.: +1.0 EV
Sensitivity: ISO 200
White Balance: Flash
AF Mode: AF-C
Tone Comp: Normal
Flash Sync Mode: Not Attached
Color Mode: Mode II (Adobe RGB)
Hue Adjustment: 0°
Sharpening: Medium high
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Well, I can't draw, so I'll try to describe. 2 Photogenic strobes w/large shoot through umbrellas attached, angled at something like 60-70 deg from camera. I also used a 36in silver reflector disk positioned to the mans left, but not very effectively, apparently. There are 2-9in sq vert support pillars, and an 18in ceiling dropdown separating 2 living areas, that really get in the way down in my basement, so lighting positioning is a nightmare. Plus, the area where the subjects themselves are have only a 7ft high ceiling!

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Steve S
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AF Mode: AF-C
This is great pic, I think. Maybe the crop will be too tight for the printed
version, since a frame also removes a little from the edges.

I was curious why you used continous AF for
a studio portrait? Or was it not a conscious choice?

nanne
 
Papa WAS fairly uncomfortable during the whole experience, esp for this last series, where they're reclining. He actually said: "You mean you want us to lay on the FLOOR?" Also, the baby was getting very restless by then, and the binkie was the only way to keep him quite at this point in time. I just wanted to try 1 other pose beyond their standing one before they left, for variety's sake. I'm oging to left them decide on which pose they favor, and PS it "util the cows come home", before printing it, and that will include blurring the BG using Gaus Blur. thanks for sspeaking frankly, that's the way I want my commentary delivered, no sugar coating necessary. Good analysis, thnx!
TOF guy wrote:

Steve, you make great pictures, and your call for comments show
that you're only interested in better results.

First I usually don't like that kind of posed pictures. I often
have the impression that people look kind of stiff, in unnatural
poses. IMHO this applies somewhat to the man and the kid. I even
wonder if the man in particular was really confortable lying the
way he is in the picture. If he is in an position that's really
artificial then to me the picture does not look right (but frankly
that's only me).

The most difficult part in this kind of a picture is ... a person:
the baby. I know Mom and Dad are going to hate this, but you should
really insist on removing the pacifier, because we can't really see
how cute baby is. Suggest that the parents take their time to find
a way distract the child and remove the dear thing, because an
upset baby won't help either ...

Further, babies don't respond to "Smile ! " ... But ideally you
have to find something to make him just do that. And whatever you
try to get his attention must be in a way that make him look at the
camera (i.e. your friend making faces must be behind the camera).
The baby is nearly looking at the camera in this picture.

In terms of overall composition, you did a good job. But (again
that's me) I hate missing limb parts (in this case most of the
father's legs). This is accentuated by the fact that we can see the
body of all the other members of the family.

"A good background is a blurred background", as is the say for
portraits. Certainly the case here. IMHO (and really a question of
taste), this background is kind of sinister. I find it mystifying
that portrait protography professionals use it at all. But I have
to admit that this is a popular choice.

I find the lighting of the subjects very good, except for the man's
face and the background behind him. One cheek and the tip of his
nose shines, yet his neck is very dark, and because the background
is not very well lit behind him his (dark) hairs are hard to
discern against the background. Still you did a pretty good job.

And I'll conclude my comments on a positive one: I really like the
woman in the picture (photographically, of course), because she
seems more natural to me, relaxed, smiling but not in an exagerated
way. Again in this kind of pictures I personally think that the
photograph must try to get a result that does not look rigid,
forced, although this is hard to achieve in such posed pictures.
One detail I really like: her hairs that very so slightly cover a
little of her face (although maybe a little too much because we
don't see well one of her eyes). Indeed that's the natural way her
hairs spread on her face, and that is what I look for in this kind
of pictures.

Oh ! And one more thing, thank you for sharing, Looking at this
picture with a critical eye reminds me of a few things that I
often forget when I take pictures. So we all learn,

Best regards,
Thierry
 
Thnx Paul, it's amazing what all of you are seeing, that I overlooked completely, esp the shadow on the BG, and under his chin. The attention spand of the child was extremely limited, due to him not having a good nap, so we had to keep him happy, and the binkie was the only way at this point, about 45min into the shoot. I'll show you guys the final product when I get it done. Thnx Paul!
paulfrye wrote:
Steven,

Of all things mentioned, and you got some really good critiques,
the shadow on the background next to the guy is the most
distracting because it really pulled my eye. I downloaded your
jpeg to test and played with Dodge in PS and it lightened up very
nicely. I think that one thing alone will make quite a difference.

Of all the comments made, several things which bothered me least
were the hair over her eye. The eye is still there and it looks
natural to me. The shadow under the guys chin is not good, but
bothers less when the background to his left is lightened.

Please show us what you wind up with. I like the mind test, too,
and overall I think it is very good photo. (Worst sin is the
pacifier).

Regards,

Paul
 
Thnx Arun, you see, I only spoke to the man regarding their wardrobe choice, and not the woman. He never mentioned her white jeans, we only discussed coordinating the tops. My bad there. Had I been able speak to the woman, I would have certainly suggested she not wear White! I learned something right there, to discuss specifically what they plan on wearing.
Arun Sharma wrote:
Nice comments made by BKKSW. I would have the man sit up more, add
a small light hitting the man from the back side and , for sure
move the mans left hand. It is poping out of no where. As for the
white pants, mabye try placing some kind of a bord to soften/cut
down the light falling there. Try the main light from the left side
and a reflector on the right.
I know about shortage of space, I go through it too. But keep
trying different formulas and you will have a pretty good light
setup. Best of luck
This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
of the lighting, composition, and choice of crop. This is just an
intial proof. Do not hold back on my account Please be open and
speak your mind, my skin is like a Rhino's ;c) But do also keep in
mind, I am a rank amatuer.



--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
--
AKS
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Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
 
It's this attention to details that make or break a good portrait. While I'm not making excuses, I spent every last second before their appointment getting the "studio ready, and Capture control working properly, (it wasn't cooperating at all, locking up). Everything that could go wrong Did, so my time normally spent on several test shots, was not there prior to their arrival. My 2 sons were supposed to come back from afternoon church to help out, but didn't. Again, I learned something here, to prepare EARLY, then spend the remaining time prior to the client's arrival, relaxing!
NormN wrote:
Hi Steven,

It is a nice picture overall. However, I would like you to try to
put the mainlight on the right side of the family ( short side of
the lady's face ) so the shadow will fall on the board side which
will make the lady's face look a bit slim and avoid the shadow on
the man's chin.

Regards, Norm
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Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
 
Wow, nanne, good eye for the details, I was outside shooting that darned C. goose using Cont. focus, and forgot to switch it back. Details, details! Boy, I'm SOOOOo glad the pics were still in focus. that actually happened to me once, I used manual focus, and missed the proper focus pointby just a tiny bit, not noticing it in the LCD, and was forced to return to the clien'ts house and reshoot all 60 pic all over again. Now THAT was a major PIA!
AF Mode: AF-C
This is great pic, I think. Maybe the crop will be too tight for
the printed
version, since a frame also removes a little from the edges.

I was curious why you used continous AF for
a studio portrait? Or was it not a conscious choice?

nanne
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Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
 
Steven, Sometimes we use flags or scrims that lower the light that fall on parts of a subject (mostly used on objects, not people.) These are placed in front of the ligt to lessen the intensity. The easiest way to control is like you say to talk to the client. You could use layers in photoshop to fix part of the problem. Otherwise, Very nice.
Arun Sharma wrote:
Nice comments made by BKKSW. I would have the man sit up more, add
a small light hitting the man from the back side and , for sure
move the mans left hand. It is poping out of no where. As for the
white pants, mabye try placing some kind of a bord to soften/cut
down the light falling there. Try the main light from the left side
and a reflector on the right.
I know about shortage of space, I go through it too. But keep
trying different formulas and you will have a pretty good light
setup. Best of luck
This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
of the lighting, composition, and choice of crop. This is just an
intial proof. Do not hold back on my account Please be open and
speak your mind, my skin is like a Rhino's ;c) But do also keep in
mind, I am a rank amatuer.



--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
--
AKS
--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
--
AKS
 
I get that warm fuzzy feeling when I saw this one. Somehow like it better over the more formal #2 (also good). Just a newbie's humble $0.02

regards TKH
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This is 1 of 2 poses I like best. Was wondering what y'all thought
of the lighting, composition, and choice of crop. This is just an
intial proof. Do not hold back on my account Please be open and
speak your mind, my skin is like a Rhino's ;c) But do also keep in
mind, I am a rank amatuer.



--
Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
 
I like the pose, and the shot is great, but I agree that the blown highlights on the pants are noticeable. Guess the only way you could avoid this is to avoid white pants.

Still, a very nice shot.
thansk for commenting, Yves, this portrait gig is a tough one for a
noob. How would I have prevented this, without underexposing the
rest of the shot? You're gonna tell me to suggest she not to wear
white next time, right? You know, I even discussd what they were
wearing today beforehand, but the white pants were never mentioned.
I gotta remember that for next time.

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I've been lazy on getting a boom & softbox. I knew this was the way to go because I have shot with them before. I finally got them set up and it does make a very large difference from my makeshift hairlight.

Also to reduce shadows on the bottom of the face, I try to place a reflector angled from the bottom up. That way some of the light from above will reflect off the foam core and lessen deep shadows under prominant features.

Here is a sample - way too close to backdrop, but I'm learning too...



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