RS232C "Linear" malfunction.

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

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You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the "preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should have the "Linear" function as an option.

Jim,

Not to change the thread but...I am a neophyte Photoshop user and am trying to learn all I can about it. What does converting the images to 16 bit rather than 8 bit do for you? It seems that when I had my RAW images converted to 16 bit, some of my editing options were grayed out in Photoshop so I converted them back to 8 bit and now that's all I use. Am I missing something?
Also, can you tell us rookies what the "Linear" function does?

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

Click to expand...

Kurt:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8 bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information (8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit mode. With the greater amount of information, you should theoretically should have greater control over color and image correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc. Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

Click to expand...

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Jim:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Thanks for jogging my memory Jim. I thought that I had seen it functioning when I first got the camera. I got Genuine Fractals 2.0 and it doesn't work in 16 bit so I had reset to 8 bit for that reason. I've read your next post and I think what I should do is reset it to 16 bit, correct, reset to 8 bit while in Photoshop, as you do, then archive in GF. Thanks again.
Buddy.

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

Click to expand...

Buddy,

I have GF 2.0, and you can save in 16 bit format if you like and archive it with the additional color information.
Jim

Buddy said:

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

Click to expand...

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Excuse my ignorance, but I am unclear as to why you move the Tif 16 bit to an 8bit psd or whatever flavor file. I have been converting the RAW into Photoshop 16bit Tiff, resizing it, color correcting, and finally applying the unsharpen filter. Then I print the Tiff. Usually I save a copy of the image with changes to a psd file. What are the primariy advantages to saving it as an 8 bit file? Is it size or are there other considerations. (learning this stuff as I go)....thanks much....
Ken

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much
better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Ken,

I would save a file at 16 bit if I was satisfied with the color correction/image correction. If I needed to to do more advanced image correction (ie using adjustment layers in PS, masking, removal of blemishes, whatever) that can only be done in 8 bit mode. Also, many other image programs don't handle 8 bit files. I generally don't convert my files for archiving purposes, unless I have done a fair amount of work on it and don't want to do it again. I burn all my RAW picts onto CD's and use a program(Image AXS pro) as a visual database so I can quickly retrieve the pic if I need it. The RAW files are supposed to be losslessly compressed and are only about 3 and a half mb a file, the uncompressed tif files I think are close to 18mb and take up space fast. If I do convert a pic to its uncompressed 16 bit mode and want to save it, I will do so without the unsharpen filter. I may find out later that I wanted more or less sharpening(depending on the printer,etc.) and once you save it unsharpened, you can't undo it. You can always adjust the image sharpness later if necessary to match your needs. Not to ramble on, but a great PS plugin for sharpening is Nik sharpener

http://www.tech-nik.com/english/sharpenerpro.html

I almost exclusively use this for my sharpening needs(and no, I am not employed by the company).

Jim

Ken said:

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much
better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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I found that I could not save to GF the hard way. I did so with about 40 images, deleted the originals, then discovered that all my saved files were unreadable garbage. I asked Altimira what they thought my problem could be and they said that I must have tried to save 16 bit files and that they had not yet set GF up to use 16 bit files.
Just did another test and still get garbage using 16 bit )

If you have got it to work Jim, then my thought is that perhaps you are using a Mac and that it works with that, as I have also found that GF in Windows does not display thumbnails in Photoshop but does with the Mac.
Buddy.

Jim said:

Buddy said:

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Buddy,

I should have actually gone all the way through and saved a 16 bit file and tried to reopen it. I was going by the fact that when the file is in 16 bit mode, I have the GF option for saving. I never have actually done that--sorry if I caused you any more grief!! Next time I should actually try it before sounding like I know something. I too live in the PC world, so I don't know if GF would work any differently. See my correspondence to Ken as to how I save/archive my pictures. When "burning" the pics onto a CD, I include the associated ".thm" file which is a thumbnail and can be read by my image archiving program. The RAW files are reasonbly small, and I can quickly find what pic I want with the archiving program. I also make a CD insert with all the thumbnails and file names visible (with a PS plugin called Imagebook--the inserts look like the ones you can get with a kodak photo cd). I can quickly look at the insert and find the pic I want as well. Saves me a lot of time converting the pics, and they are much smaller than the uncompressed tif files.
Jim

Buddy said:

Jim said:

Buddy said:

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Jim, I REALLY appreciate this info. I have been real unclear with the 16 vs 8 bit implications. I am at the stage where I convert the RAW file to 16 bit tif using Bibble, then adjust (usually but not always auto levels, apply unsharpen mask, print and then save. I see now that if one wants to use masking etc one needs to drop back to 8 bits.

That really helps me in my editing and takes me "a step down the line" . Also I am going to look into Image AXS pro as a possible solution to the archival issue. I am facing that now as I have about 4 or 5 thousand images and need to get them organized and burned to cd. I just have been real undecided about how to organize them in terms of a software program.

Thanks again for bringing some clarity to this for me...
Ken

Jim said:

http://www.tech-nik.com/english/sharpenerpro.html

I almost exclusively use this for my sharpening needs(and no, I am
not employed by the company).

Jim

Ken said:

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much
better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Jim you wrote, . . ."
done a fair amount of work on it and don't want to do it

Ken35482 said:

again. I burn all my RAW picts onto CD's and use a program(Image
AXS pro) as a visual database so I can quickly retrieve the pic if
I need it. The RAW files are supposed to be losslessly compressed
and are only about 3 and a half mb a file, . . . "

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Jim, when you use Image AXS PRO as a visual database do you convert ALL the RAW files to JPG first, run the database program and then save the RAW files so the JPGs and the RAW files have the same numbers and the Image AXS PRO is based upon gathered data from the initial conversion to JPG or is there a way to use the Image AXS directly with the RAW files with the archived cds?

thanks
ken

Ken said:

That really helps me in my editing and takes me "a step down the
line" . Also I am going to look into Image AXS pro as a possible
solution to the archival issue. I am facing that now as I have
about 4 or 5 thousand images and need to get them organized and
burned to cd. I just have been real undecided about how to organize
them in terms of a software program.

Thanks again for bringing some clarity to this for me...
Ken

Jim said:

http://www.tech-nik.com/english/sharpenerpro.html

I almost exclusively use this for my sharpening needs(and no, I am
not employed by the company).

Jim

Ken said:

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much
better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Ken,

I burn both the crw file and its accompanying thm file together. Image AXS Pro can read the thm(thumbnail) so you don't have to convert the RAW files. This is a copy of my response to someone else with a similar question:

"Image AXS does not(to my knowledge) read the CRW file. It however can read the THM(thumbnail) file. This pic however is of very low resolution, and would not allow you to create contact prints of the size you are talking about. Imagebook(PS plugin) can read the thm file(not the CRW) and allow you to make a small insert(CD cover size) that you can keep with your CD of images. The program is fairly versatile, and will allow you a number of options like images per page, size of insert, file name, etc. I use a large 3 ring binder with CD sleeve inserts (4 CD's per page side) and enclose the imagebook insert with each CD. I usually name the CD that I burn to give it a volume name, label the CD with the same name with a magic marker, and include the name on the imagebook insert in case the CD were to get separated from the insert so I can put them back together later if that were to happen. There is an option to create a "four up view" which in essense will create 4 CD sized inserts per page to save on printer paper. I use photo quality paper with an Epson 1200, and I'm very pleased with the results. In addition, I use Image AXS as a master visual database that records file name, volume, etc. of all my images. Since it currently only reads the thm file, it will only tell you the info related to that, but since the crw is with it I can easily find it. It does not record the shooting settings, etc. at this time. I hope in the future Canon will make it possible to do so. It sounds to me like you do this sort of thing professionally, by the number of pictures you are doing. Do you need the contact prints to show customers, or are you using it as a means to visually have a record of your pics or both?

I hope that's helpful, and not more confusing--I tend to ramble on. Image AXS comes as a standard and pro version. I have had the pro version now for the last couple of years and really like it. I first started archivng photos after I bought a film scanner a couple of years ago. The standard version of Image AXS came with it, and I upgraded to the pro version. At that time, I thought it was one of the best around. Since then, a number of products have come on the market--and since I really haven't had the need to try them, I don't know how Image AXS stacks up with them. It allows for a number of fields to be attached to the picture file, as well as keywords that can allow you to find pictures based on queries.
Jim

Ken said:

Ken35482 said:

again. I burn all my RAW picts onto CD's and use a program(Image
AXS pro) as a visual database so I can quickly retrieve the pic if
I need it. The RAW files are supposed to be losslessly compressed
and are only about 3 and a half mb a file, . . . "

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Jim, when you use Image AXS PRO as a visual database do you convert
ALL the RAW files to JPG first, run the database program and then
save the RAW files so the JPGs and the RAW files have the same
numbers and the Image AXS PRO is based upon gathered data from the
initial conversion to JPG or is there a way to use the Image AXS
directly with the RAW files with the archived cds?

thanks
ken

Ken said:

That really helps me in my editing and takes me "a step down the
line" . Also I am going to look into Image AXS pro as a possible
solution to the archival issue. I am facing that now as I have
about 4 or 5 thousand images and need to get them organized and
burned to cd. I just have been real undecided about how to organize
them in terms of a software program.

Thanks again for bringing some clarity to this for me...
Ken

Jim said:

http://www.tech-nik.com/english/sharpenerpro.html

I almost exclusively use this for my sharpening needs(and no, I am
not employed by the company).

Jim

Ken said:

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much
better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

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You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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Jim, this is a "most excellent" system. I just ordered Image AXS. Can't thank you enough for the guidence. I have been real concerned about what "system" level approach to take as I am getting lost in images....
Thanks again,
Ken

Jim said:

I hope that's helpful, and not more confusing--I tend to ramble on.
Image AXS comes as a standard and pro version. I have had the pro
version now for the last couple of years and really like it. I
first started archivng photos after I bought a film scanner a
couple of years ago. The standard version of Image AXS came with
it, and I upgraded to the pro version. At that time, I thought it
was one of the best around. Since then, a number of products have
come on the market--and since I really haven't had the need to try
them, I don't know how Image AXS stacks up with them. It allows
for a number of fields to be attached to the picture file, as well
as keywords that can allow you to find pictures based on queries.
Jim

Ken said:

WTS said:

again. I burn all my RAW picts onto CD's and use a program(Image
AXS pro) as a visual database so I can quickly retrieve the pic if
I need it. The RAW files are supposed to be losslessly compressed
and are only about 3 and a half mb a file, . . . "

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Jim, when you use Image AXS PRO as a visual database do you convert
ALL the RAW files to JPG first, run the database program and then
save the RAW files so the JPGs and the RAW files have the same
numbers and the Image AXS PRO is based upon gathered data from the
initial conversion to JPG or is there a way to use the Image AXS
directly with the RAW files with the archived cds?

thanks
ken

Ken said:

That really helps me in my editing and takes me "a step down the
line" . Also I am going to look into Image AXS pro as a possible
solution to the archival issue. I am facing that now as I have
about 4 or 5 thousand images and need to get them organized and
burned to cd. I just have been real undecided about how to organize
them in terms of a software program.

Thanks again for bringing some clarity to this for me...
Ken

Jim said:

http://www.tech-nik.com/english/sharpenerpro.html

I almost exclusively use this for my sharpening needs(and no, I am
not employed by the company).

Jim

Ken said:

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Thanks a lot for the explanation. I think I understand it much
better now.

Kurt

Jim said:

I'm certainly no photoshop expert, so I'll do the best I can. 8
bit per color images have a total of 24 bits of color information
(8bits each for Red, blue, green--RGB). 16 bits per color would
likewise give you 48 bits of color information. In 16 bit mode, if
you save the pic(ie tiff or psd format for example) you'll notice
the file size is appreciably larger than if it were in the 8 bit
mode. With the greater amount of information, you should
theoretically should have greater control over color and image
correction. Photoshop has a limited number of options when working
in 16 bit mode--primarily that of image correction(under the image
tab). Once you have done your image/color corrections, you
can(under the image> mode) change to 8 bit mode. I have included a
web link that addresses this issue better than me:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/reviews/equipment/Canon_D30_Review/crwconversion.html

The linear function as best I can tell only applies white balance
to the RAW picture as it is converted(and prevents you from
non-linear adjustments like color saturation/contrast/sharpness. I
use it primarily if the original photo was overexposed, otherwise I
leave it unchecked. You'll notice that if you check the linear
box, the image preview becomes significantly darker. I take all my
pics in RAW mode, and convert them later as 16 bit files--correct
the image--and convert them to 8 bit before saving/printing, etc.
Photoshop User mag last year (I believe starting in the July/August
Issue) had a three part series on color/image correction that I
thought was great.
Jim

Kurt Sonderegger said:

Kurt

Jim said:

Buddy. said:

For some reason the "Linear" function is always grayed out when I
access the "Set Raw Parameters". Anyone else had this problem and
resolved it? Since I havn't had it available I don't know if I've
missed much )
Thanks for any help.
Buddy.

Click to expand...

You can't access the "Linear" function because you are probably in
the default 8 bit per color processing of RAW files. Once you have
opened up the RS232C browser, select a RAW pic, and click on the
"preferences" button at the top of the browser. Under "Send RAW
image data to the application" select 16 bits per channel, and
click on "OK". Now when you select "Set RAW Parameters" you should
have the "Linear" function as an option.

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