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I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my 10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality (contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
 
The best all around lens in the bunch is the Canon 28/135 IS.
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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Reichmann
 
unfortunately that doesn't answer my question. How does these lenses compared with the lenses on the point-n-shoot cameras?
Michael Eckstein said:
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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'Most Lenses are Better Than Most Photographers' - Michael H.
Reichmann
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I have the 28-135IS, great little lens for the money & I have no probs with the on-board flash, although I mainly use the 550EX.

I've not tried any of the Tamron Lenses but I hear some good & bad things about them, no doubt there's a few that slate the 28-135, but IMO it's great.
Michael Eckstein said:
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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'Most Lenses are Better Than Most Photographers' - Michael H.
Reichmann
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I'm pretty certain that the 28-135 will cast shadows with the onboard flash at wider angles.

I'm familiar with all but one of the Canon lenses listed (the 28-200). They will all perform better than a P&S lens in a number of ways (sharper, higher resolution, better control over DOF). The 24-85 and 28-135 are significantly better than the 28-105, but even it will significantly outperform the vast majority of P&S lenses.

Glass choices aren't irrevocable. Don't sweat too much over it. If you really get hooked on photography, you'll probably start to experiment with a variety of lenses.

You might try to see if anyone local has some lenses you can try out. Go on an outing with a local photo club or something.
Lee Norton said:
I've not tried any of the Tamron Lenses but I hear some good & bad
things about them, no doubt there's a few that slate the 28-135,
but IMO it's great.
Michael Eckstein said:
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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'Most Lenses are Better Than Most Photographers' - Michael H.
Reichmann
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Optically the 28-135mm may be OK, but it fails your requirements on a couple of points:

1 - it is I think the biggest and heaviest of the ones you list. Certainly not unobtrusive.

2- it definitely does interfere with the 10D's built in flash, even with the lens hood removed

I owned one, and went for a more suitable "walk around" lens. My testing eventually took me to the 24-85mm. Compact, and with much better quality than expected (and I also use "L" glass). I guess the relatively modest zoom range helps minimise quality fall of at the extremes. In reality I believe this lens suffers at the edges compared to "L" glass, however, since the 10D crops this out, it hardly matters.

I'm not sure a direct comparison to Point 'n' shoot is possible - so many other factors involved (sensor size and type to name just one!). All I can say is that images from my 10D & 24-85mm are better than those from my Ixus 400 in every respect. But so they bloody well should be!!

Cheers

Colin
 
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D.
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don't do that. there's only so much hair to go around and a transplant will cost you more than an L lens.
Zero-LUX said:
It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.
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well, it seems kind of a weird, if not childlish question. you want it all and you want it now. small size, good quality, long zoom, light, cheap AND not eye-catching. no such monster available, I guarantee it.

long zooms are lower quality than shorter ones, except maybe the canon 35-350 and the newer 28-300, but those are not cheap nor fast so they are no good for low light and not too great for blurry-back portraits. your call.

28-135IS is the sharpest, there is also Tamron 28-75 which I own and love and is faster and sharper yet, and it's a great range on a digi body with a crop factor as well.

comparing to PoS.. I mean P&S cameras, nobody can tell, as the lens can't be exchanged, and you can't test a P&S lens without testing its crappy tiny sensor as well in the equation.

if you are kean on good P&S or something in the middle, go for the Sony 717, why climb the 10D tree if you can't get down afterwards?
Zero-LUX said:
I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body.
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then get a 300D or a prosumer. DSLR is not for low budgets.

buying a 10D and then attaching a cheap-o 28-300 is like spending 100 grand on a luxury car and fitting it with no-name naylon tires and a 20HP engine.

the lens is not an ornament. it's the main component that determines the clarity and contrast and sharpness of your image, the sensor and firmware/software can't produce any better than the image they get through the lens.

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Some of the P&S cams got amazingly good optics - I remember my Minolta Dimage7 with the 28-200 2.8-3.5, this lense was pretty usable over all ranges and apertures (it was a real 5.5-40mm on a crop 5x!!!), and I did a lot of impressive shoots with this cam @ ISO100.

Then I switched a Canon 10D, and normal glas like the 50 1.4 / 24 2.8 and the 70-200 2.8.

There's no way back! (And never forget - the noise of the small P&S cams is the real dealkiller, not only the lenses).
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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You absolutely cannot go wrong with the 28-135.

I have had this on my 10D for the past 11 months and it has given great results.

The best part is the lens can be purchased used for about $325 on FredMiranda Buy/Sell. If you are going to buy a $1500 camera then $325 should not even be a concern.

I can only compare my 10D + 28-135 to my old P&S....It's night and day. The picture quality is great and I can go as high as 3200 ISO and still have a printable picture after post-processing.

As for the flash, the 28-135 (without hood) does not interfere with the flash output. However, the onboard flash also doesn't have great range for group shots. You can always add a 550EX down the road.

As for the downgrading to a 300D, I would not. Selecting the Center Focus point and use AI Servo are some pretty big options to give up.

-Matt
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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I am happy with my 28 135 is.

At wider angles it does interfere with the flash

Can't speak for the other lenses
 
Richard L. Casale said:
I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.
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I think you have answered your question. Without the intent to offend you, what you need is not the 10d. Get yourself an F717 or F828, or Pro1 (when it hits the shelf).

The reason for getting a (D)SLR is the ability to change lenses, use an off-camera flash, etc. If you would be annoyed by having to change lenses or use an external flash unit, or by its size, need of post processing, price of the camera and lenses you have to pay to get quality and you just simply need a walkabout camera don't get the 10d because it doesn't meet your requirements and it is not the optimal choice for you.

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ZapE
 
Most every lens you mentioned will block the internal flash. The internal flash isn't much more than a gimmick anyway. The lens is your main investment, not the camera. I don't think you would be happy with a cheap, slow lens on a 10D. Take a look at a camera like the Pro1. Good luck,

Rich
zape said:
Richard L. Casale said:
I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.
Click to expand...
I think you have answered your question. Without the intent to
offend you, what you need is not the 10d. Get yourself an F717 or
F828, or Pro1 (when it hits the shelf).

The reason for getting a (D)SLR is the ability to change lenses,
use an off-camera flash, etc. If you would be annoyed by having to
change lenses or use an external flash unit, or by its size, need
of post processing, price of the camera and lenses you have to pay
to get quality and you just simply need a walkabout camera don't
get the 10d because it doesn't meet your requirements and it is
not the optimal choice for you.

--
br
ZapE
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Tamron 28-75 F2.8 DI lens
Range is equivilent to 45 - 120.
Lightweight and very high quality. Not as good as L, but better than below.
Flash is higher on the 300D should not interfere (I haven't tested this).

This will give you similar to P&S range. Better quality. Nice DOF control for portraits. etc...
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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I love the 28-135IS lens, but the 24-85 is decent if you need wider angle.

Comparing to P & S is difficult. P & S do a lot of the processing in camera. You will need to do some postprocessing of images from the 10D, especially with sharpening using USM. P & S have greater DOF than DSLRs. F 5.6 with P & S and F 8 or 11 with 10D or more similar in depth of field. The advantage is being able to blur a background with portraits.
 
Nimra said:
Then I switched a Canon 10D, and normal glas like the 50 1.4 / 24
2.8 and the 70-200 2.8.

There's no way back! (And never forget - the noise of the small P&S
cams is the real dealkiller, not only the lenses).
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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On a recent photo weekend I had the opportunity to compare my 10D against a range of point and shoot cameras - all printed on 8.5 * 11 paper. There were about 20 of us, and at the end of the weekend we presented our best three shots - all printed on site on the same Canon printer. The only other SLR was a Canon D300 with kit lens.

While I have much better lenses, I chose to shoot with my 28-105, mainly because the context of the weekend was about composition and artistic merit, not about gear.

The s400 pictures were very contrasty, but miles from sharp and pretty brutal CA.

G3 was very impressive, contrasty and sharp. Not quite as good as the 10D, but very close.

My 10D with 28-105 gave me two second place finishes even though I felt the shots were a bit soft. Certainly sharper than the G3, but a much much bigger camera to lug around.

D300 was in the hands of an inexperienced user, so the shots weren't a good example to compare to.

First place overall went to a shot taken with a Pentax Optio. It was a brilliant shot.

The point and shoot digitals held their own when in the hands of a talented photographer.

Hope this helps!

Vincent
Richard L. Casale said:
I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide which lens to get with my
10D. It's driving me nuts and even though I've posted this
question on the Canon SLR Lens Talk forum, nobody's responded.

I'm interested in the smallest zoom with the longest possible zoom
range. I tend to shoot more telephoto then wide-angle shots but
group shots of 4 or 5 people at 10' will be somewhat common. Here
are the lenses I'm looking at:

Canon 24-85
Canon 28-105 II
Canon 28-135
Canon 28-200
Tamron 24-135
Tamron 28-200
Tamron 28-300

I've been in photography long enough to know that most consumer
lenses have a fair amount of distortion at each end of thier zoom
ranges and the best performance of the lens is realized when
stopped down a couple of stops (usually at f/5.6 or f/8. Taking
the 10D's 1.6x crop factor into consideration, here is the billion
dollar question:

QUESTION: "With any of these lenses isn't the optical quality
(contrast, sharpness, distortion) going to be better then the
built-in lenses in say the G5, G3, A80, S400?"

I don't want to spend a fortune on the lens. I'm already paying
more then I want to for the 10D body. I don't want a lens that
will interfer with the onboard flash (please I realize the
limitations of onboard flash so there is no point in talking me out
of it), and I would rather not have a lens that is too large as to
draw attention.

I'd consider a series of primes, but my real hope is to be able to
carry the camera body with one lens on it for certain situations.

PLEASE HELP!
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I am definately going to consider the Pro1 once it's been out for a bit, however I do want to qualify in that I do want additional lens reach and an external flash, just not for all cases and not in all situations. I want to be able to walk around in a pub, happy hour, family event with my 10D, built in flash and single zoom lens and take pictures. When I want to shoot wild life (birding) I can toss on my longer zooms or primes and add my more powerful flashses.
 
Well gang here's what I've gathered so far...
  • the 10D body with either of the lense I've listed should produce on par or suprior images in the right hands.
  • ultimately the lens i choose is a matter of personal choice and fit for the types of pictures I take, the situations I shoot them in, and the quality I demand from my setup.
So I guess I'll just have to figure out how I was to START OFF, knowing that over time I'll be able to change my lenses as my needs and tastes grow.

Fair enough...
 
Having a 10d + quality lenses and accessories for serious work and apply an S400 or something similar for family/event/occasional shots. This is what I do and it works perfectly.
Richard L. Casale said:
I am definately going to consider the Pro1 once it's been out for a
bit, however I do want to qualify in that I do want additional lens
reach and an external flash, just not for all cases and not in all
situations. I want to be able to walk around in a pub, happy hour,
family event with my 10D, built in flash and single zoom lens and
take pictures. When I want to shoot wild life (birding) I can toss
on my longer zooms or primes and add my more powerful flashses.
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