Concerning Canon´s new Pro Digital SLR...

— something I've heard
referred to as an EOS moment. You can get some of those if you're
using the D1 (though not as many as a EOS 3 or 1v) but few if any
with the consumer-level autofocus in the D30.
The rest of your 'points' I don't even care to discuss.
In regards to the original post, get the camera that best shoots
you're style. If you never turn on autofocus, the D30 may be a
great camera; if you never shoot in less-than-desirable lighting,
the D30 may be a great camera. If you know the realities of
shooting outside of a studio, the D30 is a digital Rebel.
Check out the following for EOS D30 samples from outside-of-a-studio, in less than desirable lighting, and capturing fast action:

http://cps.twmd.de/events/location/
"Ein Härtetest für die EOS D30:
Live auf der Olympiade in Sydney"

It says, 'A tough test for the EOS D30...' And looking at these images, it seems to have aced the test.

Bill(y)
 
Andrew, you are exactly right. I am so tired of these "old school" photographers ripping on autofocus like it's a sellout issue. It's my job to come back with tack sharp pictures of the biggest plays of the game. So what if I use autofocus? If the photo isn't sharp, then everything else (image quality, exposure, etc) is moot. If I shot nature or weddings for a living, the D30 would be a great camera. But it sucks at photojournalism and lately it's made every photo assignment a living nightmare.

Matt
I've heard this tired refrain time and again. Usually from people
who regret that autofocus exists in the first place. Sure everybody
knows that the skill of the photographer is what ultimately
determines the quality of pictures he will take. But that doesn't
change the fact that we need the best equipment —
 
Do you want some sort of metal for not using AF "that much"? Could you be a little more pompous? Geez. Your flame tactics are really getting old.
never said I regretted it exists... I just dont subscribe to the
fallacious idea that AF is a photojournalistic necessity... not
even for the most demanding of assignments. One of the reasons I
bla bla bla...
 
Matt... if you find the D30's AF so sub-par, I would suggest that
perhaps you have become too dependent as a photographer on that
particular little technological marvel, bla bla bla...
Enough with your high horse "I don't even NEED AF" garbage. You will discover exactly what I am talking about in late February when your own subpar D30 arrives.
(and in fact whenever I shoot anything critical -- bla bla bla..
----- pointless personal history lesson here ----
bla bla bla ...
Whatever. The cameras I've owned, Rebel/A2/EOS1/EOS3 were all faster than the D30. And cheaper.
beleive I am speaking from experience when I say that AF should be
considered a luxury, not a crutch!
Is a built-in-meter a crutch? What about a motordrive? A flash? AF is just another important tool in a complex system to better serve the photographer. But more importantly, I paid $3000 for my D30. So why does it focus slower than a $250 Rebel 2000? (Don't hand me that Kodak contract crap.) Canon should be ashamed.
that said, you might not know how to get the most from the EOS
bodies -- things like setting the * button to activate AF --
I know where you're coming from with this. I have an EOS 3 and I can't wait for you to try it on a D30. Oh it works and I guess it's the fastest setup for a slow camera. But it's nowhere near as quick as the EOS 3. You really can not assume the D30 is anything like your other Canon cameras. The AF is so off the chart bad, it will seem like another company made it.
matter of fact, if you hate the D30 so much, you could always send
it to me... at least I know how to use it!
I think you can pretty much eat me William.
sorry for that last bit... I get downright emotional when somebody
attacks my tools...
Your tools? Would that be the D30 you've never used? You seem to be pretty attached to things you know so little about. Don't bother wasting anymore of my time with your misguided speculations.

Matt
 
Yes, but I expect more from the company that practically invented autofocus. (or rather invented practical autofocus) It's unexcusable that the D30 AF is slower than Canon's cheapest, entry-level SLR camera. I don't think reliable AF is too much to ask for in a $3000 camera.

Matt
There's more to a camera than autofocus.....

Lin
 
Right on!
I've heard this tired refrain time and again. Usually from people
who regret that autofocus exists in the first place. Sure everybody
knows that the skill of the photographer is what ultimately
determines the quality of pictures he will take. But that doesn't
change the fact that we need the best equipment —
professional level equipment which the D30 ain't. It's got a great
CCD but a body that is a half-step up from a EOS Rebel (before the
new Elan 7 that would have been a full step). Choosing the right
equipment isn't going to win anyone a Pulitzer.
When you're purchasing a camera, especially for photojournalistic
work, you want to get the best tool you can no matter what your
skill level. And for fast-action situations in less than desirable
light, you will want a camera that you can rely on or you might not
get the shot at all. The fairly minor gains of Canon's CCD (if you
know how to finesse the best image out of the D1), are quite
secondary to the fact that the camera body is just not professional
level. This is doubly true in newspapers where that gain is more
than negated by the quality of the presses anyway and still holds
true for magazines.
Now I love Canon equipment, I get a trill out of those times where
you're at a sporting event following the action and in an instant
realize that you need a shot of what's in your viewfinder, snap the
picture and the image is razor sharp — something I've heard
referred to as an EOS moment. You can get some of those if you're
using the D1 (though not as many as a EOS 3 or 1v) but few if any
with the consumer-level autofocus in the D30.
Andrew,
The D30 doesn't use a CCD, it uses CMOS technology. Photojournalism
may be your world, but it's far from the entire world of
photography. Canon didn't position the D30 as a professional
instrument and it wasn't designed to compete with the D1 in either
price or features. It does, however, exceed the image quality of
the D1 by a considerable margin, software corrections aside. As far
as body quality is concerned, the D30 is very well constructed.
Underneath that thin plastic shell is a very strong and well
designed steel frame.

Autofocus is not as good as the D1 and not nearly as good as in
Canon's EOS pro-camera bodies. Nobody who uses both would argue
that, but the argument that photojournalism got along very well
indeed without autofocus is a valid argument and though autofocus
is a welcome and very useful feature, it's certainly not the
salvation for those who have limited or no skills as a photographer
whether they be photojournalists or wedding photographers or just
serious professionals who shoot for a variety of professional
reasons.

Getting THE shot is of utmost importance to a photojournalist and I
would be the last one to suggest the D30 for that purpose. In fact,
most photojournalists with whom I am acquainted carry several
cameras configured for event specific actions - and use the best
tool for the job at hand. On the other hand, many professional
photographers make very good use of the D30, the D1, the CP990 and
other tools of varying degrees of usefulness. In short, it's not
the equipment which determines the outcome and degree of
professionalism, it's the photographer. If you would like to look
at some seriously good work with mediocre equipment I would suggest
taking a look at the recently released "Steichen's Legacy" - the
life and works of Ed Steichen, one of the all-time greatest
photographers in our American history.

It's useless to argue whether or not a particular instrument
qualifies as a professional's tool. It's an individual decision
which each photographer must make for his/herself. Some of the
greatest and most celebrated photographers using digital today
sometimes use instruments which most would not consider
professional. Try Vincent Versace, renouned celebrity photographer
who uses both film and digital and uses a D1 AND a CP990.

We can all agree that cameras like the D30 or S1 are not
"professional instruments" by definition. The is not to say that
they can not be a "professional's instrument" and perform in a very
superior fashion in the right hands, and further that they do not
do so on a regular basis.

Lin
 
matt, matt, matt... is this the best you can do? No, I have no need of medals, and I dont beleive I have said anything here to merit such an ad hominem attack as to be called 'pompous'. I simply beleive that Andrew and obviously yourself depend on AF so much that you would be nearly useless in the event that you found yourselves having to -- heaven forbid, as such an act would likely leave you clueless (sorry I had to respond in kind) -- switch all the AF and AE gimmickry off...

the simple fact is that no matter how vigorously you argue, AF is just a luxury -- a nice one, but neither required or indispensible... learn to live with it.
never said I regretted it exists... I just dont subscribe to the
fallacious idea that AF is a photojournalistic necessity... not
even for the most demanding of assignments. One of the reasons I
bla bla bla...
 
ok matt... now youve gone and done it... Now I freely admit that I probably did use a few fallacious arguments in my flame/rant, but this post of yours just boggles the mind!
Matt... if you find the D30's AF so sub-par, I would suggest that
perhaps you have become too dependent as a photographer on that
particular little technological marvel, bla bla bla...
Enough with your high horse "I don't even NEED AF" garbage. You
will discover exactly what I am talking about in late February when
your own subpar D30 arrives.
thats just it... I am not as a photographer dependent upon AF, and thus know when it needs to be tuned OFF... as a fellow EOS-3 owner, I am surprised you arent ranting about the crappy low-light perofrmance it exhibits! I do not for the simple reason that if it (my -3) finds a subject difficult for whatever reason I know I can focus the camera perfectly well on MANUAL! Are you really that addicted to AF that you cannot effectively focus the lens yourself?
(and in fact whenever I shoot anything critical -- bla bla bla..
----- pointless personal history lesson here ----
bla bla bla ...
Whatever. The cameras I've owned, Rebel/A2/EOS1/EOS3 were all
faster than the D30. And cheaper.
ok fine, perhaps it isnt as fast as the -1 or -3, but there are many shooters far more experienced than either of us who seem to strongly disagree with your assessment wrt speed, and find it compares favorably to the A2 (I wont even address the rebel). As far as price goes, well of course all the bodies you named are cheaper... they are all based on a basic technology that has been around in one form or another for better than 150 years! remember that film is far easier to record an image onto without any more internal parts to the camera... a digicam in contrast needs the ccd or cmos imager, all the various DSP's, CPU's, RAM chips, internal programming, external interfaces, etc. -- the chips -- RAM in particular -- drive the price way high... it isnt the stuff you can just buy at compusa or radio shack and stick in your PC you know...
Is a built-in-meter a crutch?
nope... its a luxury that far too many people use as a crutch (specifically wrt all these various preprogrammed exposure modes that really make the camera amateurish -- portrait action etc... this is an area where I feel canon shouldnt have bothered, and just given us the basic P/Av/Tv/M/Dep/bulb... perhaps giving us a separate FEL button instead -- and the only one of your comparisons listed here that can be compared directly to the AF situation.
What about a motordrive?
nope... motordrives fall under the category of necessity... most 35mm film bodies dont even offer the option of manual wind or rewind today anyway, and the results they can produce wrt rapid sequences can be ends unto themselves. You really cannot place AF in the same league as the venerable motordrive.
ugh... now here you just seem to be being deliberately ridiculous... without light there can be no photography, and depending on the intended result flash can be invaluable...
AF is just another important tool in a complex system to better serve
the photographer.
yes it is a tool, but it is also a somewhat superfluous luxury that should not impact so heavily on your opinion of the camera... there are other things of far greater import.
But more importantly, I paid $3000 for my D30. So
why does it focus slower than a $250 Rebel 2000? (Don't hand me
that Kodak contract crap.) Canon should be ashamed.
as for the price, I refer you to my comments above.

why do you find the idea of that contract so unpalatable? Like you (while I dont attribute such import to AF) I too find the lack of a truly suitable AF module somewhat distressing, but if indeed Kodak was able to bind Canon into such a deal, it would explain a great many things... if your inference is that canon should be ashamed of the D30, I beg to differ... if however, you mean that canon should be ashamed for apparently letting Kodak effectively nuter their digital SLR development, I have to agree wholeheartedly.

see? we can agree on something...
that said, you might not know how to get the most from the EOS
bodies -- things like setting the * button to activate AF --
I know where you're coming from with this. I have an EOS 3 and I
can't wait for you to try it on a D30. Oh it works and I guess
it's the fastest setup for a slow camera. But it's nowhere near as
quick as the EOS 3. You really can not assume the D30 is anything
like your other Canon cameras. The AF is so off the chart bad, it
will seem like another company made it.
are you saying that shutter lag is slower or the framerate? I seriously doubt that shutter lag is any longer when AF is properly configured (to the * button), and as for framerate, well, it could be faster, but then that might hvae met with Kodaks disapproval just like the AF.

if your comment above has to do with AF, we have already covered that territory. Once again, I must say that it really doesnt matter, AF should never be considered the end-all-be-all feature that you are making it out to be!
matter of fact, if you hate the D30 so much, you could always send
it to me... at least I know how to use it!
I think you can pretty much eat me William.
hmmm... about the idea that I would be better able to use it, or that you really dont hate it that much to let me have it? ;P
sorry for that last bit... I get downright emotional when somebody
attacks my tools...
Your tools? Would that be the D30 you've never used? You seem to be
pretty attached to things you know so little about. Don't bother
wasting anymore of my time with your misguided speculations.
ahhh... you seem to be the misguided one here Matt... thinking that AF is SO important that it should outweigh everthing else the camera can do... feh!
 
Time to put this thread to bed!
the simple fact is that no matter how vigorously you argue, AF is
just a luxury -- a nice one, but neither required or
indispensible... learn to live with it.
never said I regretted it exists... I just dont subscribe to the
fallacious idea that AF is a photojournalistic necessity... not
even for the most demanding of assignments. One of the reasons I
bla bla bla...
 
I think these dialogs should be sent to Canon
I love my d30, BUT
I agree with matt, I certainly expected more
Don't remember who said it but

I also said to myself "I'll get a d30, how bad could it be" I have owned a ElanII, a ElanIIe, a Eos3, a Rebel2000, and now own a Eos7e and 1V. I didn't expect the d30 to be as good as the 1V, but figured it would be at least as good as the Rebel2000, NOT. Or even the ElanII, NOT.
It's not a matter of NEEDING AF, It's a matter of being let down by Canon!
Matt
There's more to a camera than autofocus.....

Lin
 
Ok now children,

Can we all just get along?

:)

Seriously, Matt and William, you both obviously have invaluable knowledge to pass along to those of us (like myself) who are aspiring to become capable, competent photographers.

So perhaps it's time to use your posts for more productive means.

Regards,

Dave...
 
Matt... if you find the D30's AF so sub-par, I would suggest that
perhaps you have become too dependent as a photographer on that
particular little technological marvel, bla bla bla...
Enough with your high horse "I don't even NEED AF" garbage. You
will discover exactly what I am talking about in late February when
your own subpar D30 arrives.
thats just it... I am not as a photographer dependent upon AF, and
thus know when it needs to be tuned OFF... as a fellow EOS-3 owner,
I am surprised you arent ranting about the crappy low-light
perofrmance it exhibits! I do not for the simple reason that if it
(my -3) finds a subject difficult for whatever reason I know I can
focus the camera perfectly well on MANUAL! Are you really that
addicted to AF that you cannot effectively focus the lens yourself?
(and in fact whenever I shoot anything critical -- bla bla bla..
----- pointless personal history lesson here ----
bla bla bla ...
Whatever. The cameras I've owned, Rebel/A2/EOS1/EOS3 were all
faster than the D30. And cheaper.
ok fine, perhaps it isnt as fast as the -1 or -3, but there are
many shooters far more experienced than either of us who seem to
strongly disagree with your assessment wrt speed, and find it
compares favorably to the A2 (I wont even address the rebel). As
far as price goes, well of course all the bodies you named are
cheaper... they are all based on a basic technology that has been
around in one form or another for better than 150 years! remember
that film is far easier to record an image onto without any more
internal parts to the camera... a digicam in contrast needs the ccd
or cmos imager, all the various DSP's, CPU's, RAM chips, internal
programming, external interfaces, etc. -- the chips -- RAM in
particular -- drive the price way high... it isnt the stuff you can
just buy at compusa or radio shack and stick in your PC you know...
Is a built-in-meter a crutch?
nope... its a luxury that far too many people use as a crutch
(specifically wrt all these various preprogrammed exposure modes
that really make the camera amateurish -- portrait action etc...
this is an area where I feel canon shouldnt have bothered, and just
given us the basic P/Av/Tv/M/Dep/bulb... perhaps giving us a
separate FEL button instead -- and the only one of your comparisons
listed here that can be compared directly to the AF situation.
What about a motordrive?
nope... motordrives fall under the category of necessity... most
35mm film bodies dont even offer the option of manual wind or
rewind today anyway, and the results they can produce wrt rapid
sequences can be ends unto themselves. You really cannot place AF
in the same league as the venerable motordrive.
ugh... now here you just seem to be being deliberately
ridiculous... without light there can be no photography, and
depending on the intended result flash can be invaluable...
AF is just another important tool in a complex system to better serve
the photographer.
yes it is a tool, but it is also a somewhat superfluous luxury that
should not impact so heavily on your opinion of the camera... there
are other things of far greater import.
But more importantly, I paid $3000 for my D30. So
why does it focus slower than a $250 Rebel 2000? (Don't hand me
that Kodak contract crap.) Canon should be ashamed.
as for the price, I refer you to my comments above.

why do you find the idea of that contract so unpalatable? Like you
(while I dont attribute such import to AF) I too find the lack of a
truly suitable AF module somewhat distressing, but if indeed Kodak
was able to bind Canon into such a deal, it would explain a great
many things... if your inference is that canon should be ashamed
of the D30, I beg to differ... if however, you mean that canon
should be ashamed for apparently letting Kodak effectively nuter
their digital SLR development, I have to agree wholeheartedly.

see? we can agree on something...
that said, you might not know how to get the most from the EOS
bodies -- things like setting the * button to activate AF --
I know where you're coming from with this. I have an EOS 3 and I
can't wait for you to try it on a D30. Oh it works and I guess
it's the fastest setup for a slow camera. But it's nowhere near as
quick as the EOS 3. You really can not assume the D30 is anything
like your other Canon cameras. The AF is so off the chart bad, it
will seem like another company made it.
are you saying that shutter lag is slower or the framerate? I
seriously doubt that shutter lag is any longer when AF is properly
configured (to the * button), and as for framerate, well, it could
be faster, but then that might hvae met with Kodaks disapproval
just like the AF.

if your comment above has to do with AF, we have already covered
that territory. Once again, I must say that it really doesnt
matter, AF should never be considered the end-all-be-all feature
that you are making it out to be!
matter of fact, if you hate the D30 so much, you could always send
it to me... at least I know how to use it!
I think you can pretty much eat me William.
hmmm... about the idea that I would be better able to use it, or
that you really dont hate it that much to let me have it? ;P
sorry for that last bit... I get downright emotional when somebody
attacks my tools...
Your tools? Would that be the D30 you've never used? You seem to be
pretty attached to things you know so little about. Don't bother
wasting anymore of my time with your misguided speculations.
ahhh... you seem to be the misguided one here Matt... thinking that
AF is SO important that it should outweigh everthing else the
camera can do... feh!
The bottom line is that many of us who switched to EOS years ago did so because of the autofocus.

And it's pretty disappointing to see the company who provides the best autofocus film cameras

have a digital SLR with one of the worst autofocus systems. After reading all of the problems

the D30 has I'm glad I didn't wait for it last summer and bought the Fuji S1 instead.
 
It's the olympics, providing lighting for great photographs is their primary concern. Direct me to some comparable shots from high-school football or basketball and your point might have merit.
— something I've heard
referred to as an EOS moment. You can get some of those if you're
using the D1 (though not as many as a EOS 3 or 1v) but few if any
with the consumer-level autofocus in the D30.
The rest of your 'points' I don't even care to discuss.
In regards to the original post, get the camera that best shoots
you're style. If you never turn on autofocus, the D30 may be a
great camera; if you never shoot in less-than-desirable lighting,
the D30 may be a great camera. If you know the realities of
shooting outside of a studio, the D30 is a digital Rebel.
Check out the following for EOS D30 samples from
outside-of-a-studio, in less than desirable lighting, and capturing
fast action:

http://cps.twmd.de/events/location/
"Ein Härtetest für die EOS D30:
Live auf der Olympiade in Sydney"

It says, 'A tough test for the EOS D30...' And looking at these
images, it seems to have aced the test.

Bill(y)
 
Reread the original post. He talks about his publication and his editor. I can safely assume this is some type of photojournalist-type atmosphere and that he is a professional. Nothing I said regards wedding photography or casual snapshots.
My faux paus on the CCD. It is a CMOS sensor.
I've heard this tired refrain time and again. Usually from people
who regret that autofocus exists in the first place. Sure everybody
knows that the skill of the photographer is what ultimately
determines the quality of pictures he will take. But that doesn't
change the fact that we need the best equipment —
professional level equipment which the D30 ain't. It's got a great
CCD but a body that is a half-step up from a EOS Rebel (before the
new Elan 7 that would have been a full step). Choosing the right
equipment isn't going to win anyone a Pulitzer.
When you're purchasing a camera, especially for photojournalistic
work, you want to get the best tool you can no matter what your
skill level. And for fast-action situations in less than desirable
light, you will want a camera that you can rely on or you might not
get the shot at all. The fairly minor gains of Canon's CCD (if you
know how to finesse the best image out of the D1), are quite
secondary to the fact that the camera body is just not professional
level. This is doubly true in newspapers where that gain is more
than negated by the quality of the presses anyway and still holds
true for magazines.
Now I love Canon equipment, I get a trill out of those times where
you're at a sporting event following the action and in an instant
realize that you need a shot of what's in your viewfinder, snap the
picture and the image is razor sharp — something I've heard
referred to as an EOS moment. You can get some of those if you're
using the D1 (though not as many as a EOS 3 or 1v) but few if any
with the consumer-level autofocus in the D30.
Andrew,
The D30 doesn't use a CCD, it uses CMOS technology. Photojournalism
may be your world, but it's far from the entire world of
photography. Canon didn't position the D30 as a professional
instrument and it wasn't designed to compete with the D1 in either
price or features. It does, however, exceed the image quality of
the D1 by a considerable margin, software corrections aside. As far
as body quality is concerned, the D30 is very well constructed.
Underneath that thin plastic shell is a very strong and well
designed steel frame.

Autofocus is not as good as the D1 and not nearly as good as in
Canon's EOS pro-camera bodies. Nobody who uses both would argue
that, but the argument that photojournalism got along very well
indeed without autofocus is a valid argument and though autofocus
is a welcome and very useful feature, it's certainly not the
salvation for those who have limited or no skills as a photographer
whether they be photojournalists or wedding photographers or just
serious professionals who shoot for a variety of professional
reasons.

Getting THE shot is of utmost importance to a photojournalist and I
would be the last one to suggest the D30 for that purpose. In fact,
most photojournalists with whom I am acquainted carry several
cameras configured for event specific actions - and use the best
tool for the job at hand. On the other hand, many professional
photographers make very good use of the D30, the D1, the CP990 and
other tools of varying degrees of usefulness. In short, it's not
the equipment which determines the outcome and degree of
professionalism, it's the photographer. If you would like to look
at some seriously good work with mediocre equipment I would suggest
taking a look at the recently released "Steichen's Legacy" - the
life and works of Ed Steichen, one of the all-time greatest
photographers in our American history.

It's useless to argue whether or not a particular instrument
qualifies as a professional's tool. It's an individual decision
which each photographer must make for his/herself. Some of the
greatest and most celebrated photographers using digital today
sometimes use instruments which most would not consider
professional. Try Vincent Versace, renouned celebrity photographer
who uses both film and digital and uses a D1 AND a CP990.

We can all agree that cameras like the D30 or S1 are not
"professional instruments" by definition. The is not to say that
they can not be a "professional's instrument" and perform in a very
superior fashion in the right hands, and further that they do not
do so on a regular basis.

Lin
 
The lighting at indoor Olympic venues is designed entirely for television. Outdoor venues are not lighted, unless an event will occur at night. The organizing committees are subject to specific lighting requirements (generally 1400 lux at the field of play) in the various television broadcast contracts, and the broadcasters are entitled to supplement the lighting at their own expense. Still photography is not addressed in any of the contracts, and is not taken into account when the lighting is designed (as still photograph generally is not a source of revenue for the organizing committee).
— something I've heard
referred to as an EOS moment. You can get some of those if you're
using the D1 (though not as many as a EOS 3 or 1v) but few if any
with the consumer-level autofocus in the D30.
The rest of your 'points' I don't even care to discuss.
In regards to the original post, get the camera that best shoots
you're style. If you never turn on autofocus, the D30 may be a
great camera; if you never shoot in less-than-desirable lighting,
the D30 may be a great camera. If you know the realities of
shooting outside of a studio, the D30 is a digital Rebel.
Check out the following for EOS D30 samples from
outside-of-a-studio, in less than desirable lighting, and capturing
fast action:

http://cps.twmd.de/events/location/
"Ein Härtetest für die EOS D30:
Live auf der Olympiade in Sydney"

It says, 'A tough test for the EOS D30...' And looking at these
images, it seems to have aced the test.

Bill(y)
 
For the benefit of those considering a D30 purchase, I will clarify one point and let this pointless thread die.
are you saying that shutter lag is slower or the framerate? I
seriously doubt that shutter lag is any longer when AF is properly
configured (to the * button), and as for framerate, well, it could
be faster, but then that might hvae met with Kodaks disapproval
just like the AF.
Shutter lag on the D30 is slower than an EOS 3 (with identical settings). Regardless if you are shooting manual focus or not, there is a longer delay than any of the higher end EOS cameras. This coupled with a low fps and subpar AF makes shooting sports with the D30 a real challange. Even set to FULL MANUAL, it's slower shooting sports than the Elan, A2, EOS 3 and EOS 1 series.
 
Remember that this camera is the first digital SLR that Canon has produced on its own (the other SLRs being the Canon/Kodak professionals). The Canon/Kodak agreements seems to have put some limit on the quality of the features in this camera.

I look at the D30 as a market experiment. It may not satisfy all professional photographers. It doesn't have to. It opens the door and gies the market an indication of what kinds of innovative technologies Canon is willing to bring to the front lines.

It is relatively expensive, when compared to film. It is relatively cheap when compared to its digital SLR competition, and you should expect a lot for your money, but remember that it is not marketed as a pro camera. Also, it is only the first generation model, and many more models will come along with their own characteristics. Embrace the quirks of your camera. Every camera has quirks. They'll be ironed out in future models.

Just think about how much incentive you have to purchase that pro model when it comes out. Kodak should really be worried about that model...

The D30 seems to be a big hint that Canon has been developing a pro model, and if ALL you can complain about is that the non-digital features aren't as good as those in the pro Canon film cameras, then you should wait for their pro model. It sounds like both of you would know what to do with it.

I still have about 2 more years to practise with my S20 before I will have the money and feel compelled to buy an expensive digital SLR. By then, they will have 4x the resolution and be 1/4th the price, if Moore's law doesn't fail me.

What I like about the digital camera is that it lets an amateur photographer learn with instant direct feedback, and it allows one to save on the cost of development and processing. It also allows one to do all of this in the privacy of their own home.
-Mike
For the benefit of those considering a D30 purchase, I will clarify
one point and let this pointless thread die.

Shutter lag on the D30 is slower than an EOS 3 (with identical
settings). Regardless if you are shooting manual focus or not,
there is a longer delay than any of the higher end EOS cameras.
This coupled with a low fps and subpar AF makes shooting sports
with the D30 a real challange. Even set to FULL MANUAL, it's
slower shooting sports than the Elan, A2, EOS 3 and EOS 1 series.
 

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