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Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets

I can find vertical pano pictures but nothing so far about creating them. I am interested in shooting a pano that may be 2 or 3 pictures over one another with as little distortion as possible. . . would appreciate any information or tips involved . . thanks in advance

Lew Dunham
 
here is the best advice I have found
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/stitching.shtml

Shoot vertical and over lap at least 30%-50%.
Might take longer but the results are worth it.
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets

I can find vertical pano pictures but nothing so far about creating
them. I am interested in shooting a pano that may be 2 or 3
pictures over one another with as little distortion as possible. .
. would appreciate any information or tips involved . . thanks in
advance

Lew Dunham
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Lew Dunham said:
Lew Dunham wrote:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets

I can find vertical pano pictures but nothing so far about creating
them. I am interested in shooting a pano that may be 2 or 3
pictures over one another with as little distortion as possible. .
. would appreciate any information or tips involved . . thanks in
advance
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Lew, try this site hosted by Max Lyons, one of the panorama gurus:

http://www.tawbaware.com/cgi-bin/forum/cutecast.pl

Do a search if you don't see anything that stands out. I remember a discussion about the very same thing you're wanting to do.

Good luck. Tom
 
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets

I can find vertical pano pictures but nothing so far about creating
them. I am interested in shooting a pano that may be 2 or 3
pictures over one another with as little distortion as possible. .
. would appreciate any information or tips involved . . thanks in
advance

Lew Dunham
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Lew Dunham
 
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets

I can find vertical pano pictures but nothing so far about creating
them. I am interested in shooting a pano that may be 2 or 3
pictures over one another with as little distortion as possible. .
. would appreciate any information or tips involved . . thanks in
advance

Lew Dunham
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I understand your confusion. I have only taken a few panoramas...all were horizontal (landscape). The consensus seems to be that vertical (portrait) is the way to go, so I'm going to try it.

In the past, all my panos were hand held. I could get them looking OK, but it was labor intensive. When I bought my 5700 several weeks ago, I was determined to streamline the process. I bought Panorama Factory. I like it...I think. I built a pano head...several times. I'm on gen 3. It's designed to have 18 detents...that's 20 degrees between detents. I use all the detents when shooting vertical and every other detent when shooting horizontal. I don't have a level yet, but that's the next thing I'm working on...

Here are pix of the adapter...the last 2 shots show the camera mounted vertically:













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Charlie Davis
 
Hi Chuxter . . . boy, the bracket you are creating looks great . . . very professional and well made. . . . it should really do a job for you . . .In my case, I'm not looking so much for mounting the camera vertical as I am taking a vertical pano which means rotating the camera vertically vs your setup of mounting the camera vertically, but rotating it horizontally . . if I'm saying it right . . . . and there's not much info on that to find. . . I've checked the 2 websites given to me in the 2 earlier threads but don't have an answer yet . . . thanks much for your response . . and you should do welll for what you want to do . . Lew
chuxter said:
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets

I can find vertical pano pictures but nothing so far about creating
them. I am interested in shooting a pano that may be 2 or 3
pictures over one another with as little distortion as possible. .
. would appreciate any information or tips involved . . thanks in
advance

Lew Dunham
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I understand your confusion. I have only taken a few
panoramas...all were horizontal (landscape). The consensus seems to
be that vertical (portrait) is the way to go, so I'm going to try
it.

In the past, all my panos were hand held. I could get them looking
OK, but it was labor intensive. When I bought my 5700 several weeks
ago, I was determined to streamline the process. I bought Panorama
Factory. I like it...I think. I built a pano head...several times.
I'm on gen 3. It's designed to have 18 detents...that's 20 degrees
between detents. I use all the detents when shooting vertical and
every other detent when shooting horizontal. I don't have a level
yet, but that's the next thing I'm working on...

Here are pix of the adapter...the last 2 shots show the camera
mounted vertically:













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Charlie Davis
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Lew Dunham
 
Lew Dunham said:
Hi Chuxter . . . boy, the bracket you are creating looks great . .
. very professional and well made. . . . it should really do a job
for you . . .In my case, I'm not looking so much for mounting the
camera vertical as I am taking a vertical pano which means rotating
the camera vertically vs your setup of mounting the camera
vertically, but rotating it horizontally . . if I'm saying it
right . . . . and there's not much info on that to find. . . I've
checked the 2 websites given to me in the 2 earlier threads but
don't have an answer yet . . . thanks much for your response . .
and you should do welll for what you want to do . . Lew
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OK...my mistake. I'm interested...why do you want to do a vertical series?

It seems like you just take the equipment for doing horizontal panos and rotate it 90 degrees?

My adapter would not work well, because it's not balanced...there is more weight behind the axis of rotation (like almost all of it) and if it is not substantially level, the detent will not hold it in position. But if that was a requirement, it could be balanced, I guess. Or a clamp could be provided to hold the 18 positions?

Hmmm...sounds like I want to sell them...but I don't.

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Charlie Davis
 
Hi Charlie . . . first you have to understand I'm a novice and probably approach things a bit different than a real photographer might. . . and maybe a vertical pano of just 2, maybe 3 pics doesn't require as much "care" as doing a many pix horizontal pano . . . . but I've had 2 thoughts about what I want to try vertically . . . one, I would like to get more height (2 levels of pix) for my horizontal panos to make a better balance . . . . as an example, I have a couple of panos of about 10 pix stitched . . . I've printed them out to 35" wide, but it's only about 7.5" high . . . . granted, I could take the shots with the camera vertical but that nearly doubles the number of pix at one level . . and still may not accomplish the height and balance I hope to get . . . the 2nd thing . . . I would like to get some vertical panos inside some beautiful buildings . . . one a local church in my town. . . . . . I had some pretty good luck with my early panos not knowing anything about nodal points, nor did I use a tripod. I centered on the water line of a river as my "level" . . . so I suspect for my unprofessional requirements, I'm probably moving toward overkill and probably should go do some experimenting before I wory much about any of this . . . . thanks again for your response
Lew
chuxter said:
Lew Dunham said:
Hi Chuxter . . . boy, the bracket you are creating looks great . .
. very professional and well made. . . . it should really do a job
for you . . .In my case, I'm not looking so much for mounting the
camera vertical as I am taking a vertical pano which means rotating
the camera vertically vs your setup of mounting the camera
vertically, but rotating it horizontally . . if I'm saying it
right . . . . and there's not much info on that to find. . . I've
checked the 2 websites given to me in the 2 earlier threads but
don't have an answer yet . . . thanks much for your response . .
and you should do welll for what you want to do . . Lew
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OK...my mistake. I'm interested...why do you want to do a vertical
series?

It seems like you just take the equipment for doing horizontal
panos and rotate it 90 degrees?

My adapter would not work well, because it's not balanced...there
is more weight behind the axis of rotation (like almost all of it)
and if it is not substantially level, the detent will not hold it
in position. But if that was a requirement, it could be balanced, I
guess. Or a clamp could be provided to hold the 18 positions?

Hmmm...sounds like I want to sell them...but I don't.

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Charlie Davis
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Lew Dunham
 
Lew Dunham said:
Hi Charlie . . . first you have to understand I'm a novice and
probably approach things a bit different than a real photographer
might. . . and maybe a vertical pano of just 2, maybe 3 pics
doesn't require as much "care" as doing a many pix horizontal pano
. . . . but I've had 2 thoughts about what I want to try
vertically . . . one, I would like to get more height (2 levels of
pix) for my horizontal panos to make a better balance . . . . as
an example, I have a couple of panos of about 10 pix stitched . . .
I've printed them out to 35" wide, but it's only about 7.5" high .
. . . granted, I could take the shots with the camera vertical but
that nearly doubles the number of pix at one level . . and still
may not accomplish the height and balance I hope to get . . . the
2nd thing . . . I would like to get some vertical panos inside
some beautiful buildings . . . one a local church in my town. . . .
. . I had some pretty good luck with my early panos not knowing
anything about nodal points, nor did I use a tripod. I centered on
the water line of a river as my "level" . . . so I suspect for my
unprofessional requirements, I'm probably moving toward overkill
and probably should go do some experimenting before I wory much
about any of this . . . . thanks again for your response
Lew
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I think there are software packages that do what you are wanting. This type shot is called a "mosaic", I think. I'm not familiar with them, other than having read descriptions of several packages and noting that some will do these mosaic shots and some won't. There was a good list of these programs on panoguide.com. Try:

http://www.panoguide.com/software/scores.html

to start. Click on the links and read about their capabilities.

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Charlie Davis
 
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets
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I'm working on a motorised panorama head, using a stepper motor and gearbox driven with Atmel AT90S2313 microcontoller through a driver chip. It's been a steep learning curve writing the firmware for the microcontroller, but I'm glimpsing the light at the end of the tunnel. What I'm aiming for is to enter the required pano angle through a keypad, possibly key in a start delay (in order to hide behind a tree!) and the controller will read the focal length of the lens (I'm using a 995), calculate the number of frames to cover the pano (with overlap) and pan round taking the shots. It's usable at this moment - all I've got to do is put it on a board in a box (it's on a development system at the moment).

I'l let this forum know when it's 'completed'.

Regards: Jim Ford
 
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets
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Lew,

Don't over complicate things. The following vertical pano (4 high x 1 wide portrait images) was handheld, at eye level:



This one is 2 images high x 2 images wide, again handheld:



All of the pano's are here: http://www.pbase.com/simonb/panoramics

So, just try it and have fun :-) My biggest hint is to ensure about a third or at least a quarter overlap between frames.

The more complext steps (tripods, levels, pano heads etc) can come later.

Regards,

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Simon....

Perth, Western Australia
C P 5 7 0 0
http://www.pbase.com/simonb
 
Jim . . . it sounds like building your project is as much fun as your expected use when finished . . . . I wish you every success with it, but for me it would exceed any requirements I would have for doing panos . . thanks for your response and hope I see a pix of your finished product.
Lew
Jim Ford said:
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets
Click to expand...
I'm working on a motorised panorama head, using a stepper motor and
gearbox driven with Atmel AT90S2313 microcontoller through a driver
chip. It's been a steep learning curve writing the firmware for the
microcontroller, but I'm glimpsing the light at the end of the
tunnel. What I'm aiming for is to enter the required pano angle
through a keypad, possibly key in a start delay (in order to hide
behind a tree!) and the controller will read the focal length of
the lens (I'm using a 995), calculate the number of frames to cover
the pano (with overlap) and pan round taking the shots. It's usable
at this moment - all I've got to do is put it on a board in a box
(it's on a development system at the moment).

I'l let this forum know when it's 'completed'.

Regards: Jim Ford

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Lew Dunham
 
The first pano I created wasn't too bad and I was just pointing and shooting . . . it did require a bit of editing where the stitch line was a bit visible and I've learned a few things since then . . . but your vertical panos, which are very good, are prime examples of why it isn't necessary to get carried away with extra equipment . . . just use a little common sense and shoot . . Thanks for your response.
Lew
SimonB said:
Lew Dunham said:
Most of the information I have found to date deals with horizontal
panoramas when discussing nodal points and brackets
Click to expand...
Lew,

Don't over complicate things. The following vertical pano (4 high
x 1 wide portrait images) was handheld, at eye level:



This one is 2 images high x 2 images wide, again handheld:



All of the pano's are here: http://www.pbase.com/simonb/panoramics

So, just try it and have fun :-) My biggest hint is to ensure
about a third or at least a quarter overlap between frames.

The more complext steps (tripods, levels, pano heads etc) can come
later.

Regards,

--
Simon....

Perth, Western Australia
C P 5 7 0 0
http://www.pbase.com/simonb
Click to expand...
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Lew Dunham
 
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