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Melissa told me that she takes them to daycare and that is when she has time to practice! LOL

Rodney
Melanie Kipp said:
MelissaM said:
I think you need to back off from condeming me to other members. I
get really tired of people like you that think you are so perfect
yourself. No one is a fast learner and photography, lighting, DOF
etc is a slow process for me. I don't practice everyday like you
must do because I have 4 children to raise. You started somewhere
once too and maybe it wasn't a learning curve for you but it is for
me and you coming in and talking bad about me to other members such
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Hi Phillip. I appreciate your advice but let me say this. I can't get these two kids to dress up for a few minutes of their time. I am lucky if I can get them to sit for a few pictures. I am not working on posing right now anyway. I just want to get good at exposure first, being compfortable with the lighting and then work on posing.

I don't get to use the lighting everyday. I work on other projects and raise 4 children. So it is a slow process for me. If I used the lights everyday, there would be a difference. I have tried foam core but I must be positioning it wrong.

All I did in PS is crop and put a frame around some pictures. I did no softening action and I handheld it so maybe that is why it doesn't look sharp. In the S2, I have the settings set to ORG ORG OFF for those that have a Fuji.
pfiltz said:
When having anyone looking off in the distance as these youngsters
are, have them always just turn their heads up, and let their eyes
follow. Tell them to point their noses at a target, and let the
eyes follow. The young lady has her head too low, forcing the eyes
upward toward her target.

Lighting is OK, but I feel the image has been worked up quite a bit
in PS. If not, my bad. Clothing is important. If you like Low
Key work, both should be wearing low key outfits [dark].

Trust me, I will shoot a lady in a white dress in a Low Key shot in
a heart beat if I think I can pull it off. It wouldn't be the
first time ;) In this case, I think they both should be wearing
darker outfits. Her blouse / his P.J.'s

Keep pushing foward....
MelissaM said:
I finally got a backdrop and put it to use tonight using practice
shots. I took several shots. One was 1/125 at f/8 and one that was
1/125 f/16 of which is the one I am posting in here. I wanted to
share this one.

Nevermind the wrinkles or pose. I will work on those later.

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but I run errands, go to doctor appointments, physical therapy. I have fibromyalgia and interstitial cystitis and during flareups I'm in bed sometimes for 3 days at a time and can't move and I try to sew when I can. So yes they go to daycare. So what? I need them in daycare because chronic pain limits me from many things.
RodneyBlair said:
Rodney
Melanie Kipp said:
MelissaM said:
I think you need to back off from condeming me to other members. I
get really tired of people like you that think you are so perfect
yourself. No one is a fast learner and photography, lighting, DOF
etc is a slow process for me. I don't practice everyday like you
must do because I have 4 children to raise. You started somewhere
once too and maybe it wasn't a learning curve for you but it is for
me and you coming in and talking bad about me to other members such
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As for my sons face. His cheeks are red not from food.
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Rodney
MelissaM said:
I finally got a backdrop and put it to use tonight using practice
shots. I took several shots. One was 1/125 at f/8 and one that was
1/125 f/16 of which is the one I am posting in here. I wanted to
share this one.

Nevermind the wrinkles or pose. I will work on those later.

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This soap opera is almost as entertaining.

Melissa:

If all you want to do at this stage is find an exposure you like, why put a couple of fidgety kids in front of your backdrop? Put a basketball, a bowl of fruit--anything with three dimensions that won't move--on a coffee table in front of it instead and record the results at different exposures. You can do this; it's not astrophysics.
RodneyBlair said:
Rodney
Melanie Kipp said:
MelissaM said:
I think you need to back off from condeming me to other members. I
get really tired of people like you that think you are so perfect
yourself. No one is a fast learner and photography, lighting, DOF
etc is a slow process for me. I don't practice everyday like you
must do because I have 4 children to raise. You started somewhere
once too and maybe it wasn't a learning curve for you but it is for
me and you coming in and talking bad about me to other members such
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Melissa,

After seeing the original file I can see everything more clearly. Your son actually look like someone slapped him real good. I certainly hope that itsn't so.

My comment about the cookie dough is the same as saying to a child, "don't forget to wash behind the ears". The point was for you to try to make him look as good as possible, but you miss most of that. Don't you?

Rodney
MelissaM said:
RodneyBlair said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26229822/original

Rodney
MelissaM said:
I finally got a backdrop and put it to use tonight using practice
shots. I took several shots. One was 1/125 at f/8 and one that was
1/125 f/16 of which is the one I am posting in here. I wanted to
share this one.

Nevermind the wrinkles or pose. I will work on those later.

Melissa



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Vladilen said:
Rodney's points are well made here. The comment was not about
whether the snap-shot aesthetic is better than a studio shot.
Clearly Melissa took time to purchase and assemble a comprehensive
studio set up including strobes and a backdrop. I believe that her
intent was to reproduce some of the great images that we've seen on
this forum. As we look at the successful images we can see that the
planning of those shots extended past the lights and backdrop into
wardrobe, hair and makeup. There is nothing wrong with pajamas, but
the combination of the outfits and the formal lighting and backdrop
attempt do not work well in this case.
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Joe Peoples writes:

While Rodney's points were valid, they were not "well made", and I think he knows it. Melissa's "intent" is to be involved in the pursuit of her passion and be part of the "gang" here. Unduly harsh criticism is not conducive to the freeflow of sharing images and ideas. Thanks for letting me know about behind-the-scenes production value; if I wasn't involved with it for 25 years, I wouldn't have had a clue what you were talking about. The images you are in awe of may truly be something Melissa aspires to emulate, but a nudge in the right direction is more effective than a know upside the head.
 
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Joe Peoples writes:

While Rodney's points were valid, they were not "well made", and I
think he knows it. Melissa's "intent" is to be involved in the
pursuit of her passion and be part of the "gang" here. Unduly harsh
criticism is not conducive to the freeflow of sharing images and
ideas. Thanks for letting me know about behind-the-scenes
production value; if I wasn't involved with it for 25 years, I
wouldn't have had a clue what you were talking about. The images
you are in awe of may truly be something Melissa aspires to
emulate, but a nudge in the right direction is more effective than
a know upside the head.
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Should be KNOCK upside the head.
 
Rodney,

I find your comments to be passive-agressive attacks on Melissa's child rearing abilities and on her intelligence. This is not a productive way to try to help some one who is learning.

I would like to suggest that we all use non-confrontational language as a good way to get one's point accross without upsetting others. Especially on the internet where we do not understand where the other person is coming from.

Examples of non confrontational approach would be:
  • I would do the following ....
  • I feel that ....
  • I think that...
The above gives a frame of reference that implies that the writer is not fully aware of all the circumstances the other person is encountering, ie. the writer is not omniscient. Note that it is more productive than the accusatory statements:
  • You should have...
  • What you did ...
  • It is obvious that...
Sincerely,
Lincoln
RodneyBlair said:
After seeing the original file I can see everything more clearly.
Your son actually look like someone slapped him real good. I
certainly hope that itsn't so.

My comment about the cookie dough is the same as saying to a child,
"don't forget to wash behind the ears". The point was for you to
try to make him look as good as possible, but you miss most of
that. Don't you?

Rodney
MelissaM said:
RodneyBlair said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26229822/original

Rodney
MelissaM said:
I finally got a backdrop and put it to use tonight using practice
shots. I took several shots. One was 1/125 at f/8 and one that was
1/125 f/16 of which is the one I am posting in here. I wanted to
share this one.

Nevermind the wrinkles or pose. I will work on those later.

Melissa



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Now I feel much better!

Rodney
LincolnF said:
I find your comments to be passive-agressive attacks on Melissa's
child rearing abilities and on her intelligence. This is not a
productive way to try to help some one who is learning.

I would like to suggest that we all use non-confrontational
language as a good way to get one's point accross without upsetting
others. Especially on the internet where we do not understand where
the other person is coming from.

Examples of non confrontational approach would be:
  • I would do the following ....
  • I feel that ....
  • I think that...
The above gives a frame of reference that implies that the writer
is not fully aware of all the circumstances the other person is
encountering, ie. the writer is not omniscient. Note that it is
more productive than the accusatory statements:
  • You should have...
  • What you did ...
  • It is obvious that...
Sincerely,
Lincoln
RodneyBlair said:
After seeing the original file I can see everything more clearly.
Your son actually look like someone slapped him real good. I
certainly hope that itsn't so.

My comment about the cookie dough is the same as saying to a child,
"don't forget to wash behind the ears". The point was for you to
try to make him look as good as possible, but you miss most of
that. Don't you?

Rodney
MelissaM said:
RodneyBlair said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26229822/original

Rodney
MelissaM said:
I finally got a backdrop and put it to use tonight using practice
shots. I took several shots. One was 1/125 at f/8 and one that was
1/125 f/16 of which is the one I am posting in here. I wanted to
share this one.

Nevermind the wrinkles or pose. I will work on those later.

Melissa



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my points were not well made. I've tried to be very kind to Melissa and got a bit discouraged and vented here. I think she knows this. I dedicated a lot of time giving her instructions that she could understand to a simple question that she asked here on the forum and no one would help her. I didn't know all the answers and had to search here to get them and translate so she could understand.

I'm not going to participate with this any further. I'm here to learn and I don't seem to be doing that at this point.

Rodney
Joe Peoples said:
Vladilen said:
Rodney's points are well made here. The comment was not about
whether the snap-shot aesthetic is better than a studio shot.
Clearly Melissa took time to purchase and assemble a comprehensive
studio set up including strobes and a backdrop. I believe that her
intent was to reproduce some of the great images that we've seen on
this forum. As we look at the successful images we can see that the
planning of those shots extended past the lights and backdrop into
wardrobe, hair and makeup. There is nothing wrong with pajamas, but
the combination of the outfits and the formal lighting and backdrop
attempt do not work well in this case.
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Joe Peoples writes:

While Rodney's points were valid, they were not "well made", and I
think he knows it. Melissa's "intent" is to be involved in the
pursuit of her passion and be part of the "gang" here. Unduly harsh
criticism is not conducive to the freeflow of sharing images and
ideas. Thanks for letting me know about behind-the-scenes
production value; if I wasn't involved with it for 25 years, I
wouldn't have had a clue what you were talking about. The images
you are in awe of may truly be something Melissa aspires to
emulate, but a nudge in the right direction is more effective than
a know upside the head.
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...you unfeeling swine. I feel that you should be a lot more touchy-feely with your suggestions, and then view it as a learning experience when Melissa tells you to pi$$ off because it's not what she wanted to hear
LincolnF said:
I find your comments to be passive-agressive attacks on Melissa's
child rearing abilities and on her intelligence. This is not a
productive way to try to help some one who is learning.

I would like to suggest that we all use non-confrontational
language as a good way to get one's point accross without upsetting
others. Especially on the internet where we do not understand where
the other person is coming from.

Examples of non confrontational approach would be:
  • I would do the following ....
  • I feel that ....
  • I think that...
The above gives a frame of reference that implies that the writer
is not fully aware of all the circumstances the other person is
encountering, ie. the writer is not omniscient. Note that it is
more productive than the accusatory statements:
  • You should have...
  • What you did ...
  • It is obvious that...
Sincerely,
Lincoln
RodneyBlair said:
After seeing the original file I can see everything more clearly.
Your son actually look like someone slapped him real good. I
certainly hope that itsn't so.

My comment about the cookie dough is the same as saying to a child,
"don't forget to wash behind the ears". The point was for you to
try to make him look as good as possible, but you miss most of
that. Don't you?

Rodney
MelissaM said:
RodneyBlair said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26229822/original

Rodney
MelissaM said:
I finally got a backdrop and put it to use tonight using practice
shots. I took several shots. One was 1/125 at f/8 and one that was
1/125 f/16 of which is the one I am posting in here. I wanted to
share this one.

Nevermind the wrinkles or pose. I will work on those later.

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wow mellisa you do have your hands full. i to have fibro and lupus among other things, and have four children. i dont know if you suffer from the fog but i do, which makes everthing seem like an uphill battle for me. i was just looking to see what was going on in this forum when i found this thread. You have beautiful kids. im not sure if i will ever have the guts enough to ever post a pic after reading this. Good luck with your endevors and may you have a extened time between flares.
MelissaM said:
RodneyBlair said:
Rodney
Melanie Kipp said:
MelissaM said:
I think you need to back off from condeming me to other members. I
get really tired of people like you that think you are so perfect
yourself. No one is a fast learner and photography, lighting, DOF
etc is a slow process for me. I don't practice everyday like you
must do because I have 4 children to raise. You started somewhere
once too and maybe it wasn't a learning curve for you but it is for
me and you coming in and talking bad about me to other members such
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Hi Ann,

Yes I have fibro fog sometimes more at times than others. It is a terrible syndrome that I wouldn't wish it on anyone. This winter has been terrible for me. I had at least 3 flareups. Anymore and I will go crazy. The pain is horrendous and Ultram is not doing the trick for pain.

Posting a pic on here is another matter of which you found out today.

Take care...Melissa
ann klein said:
MelissaM said:
RodneyBlair said:
Rodney
Melanie Kipp said:
MelissaM said:
I think you need to back off from condeming me to other members. I
get really tired of people like you that think you are so perfect
yourself. No one is a fast learner and photography, lighting, DOF
etc is a slow process for me. I don't practice everyday like you
must do because I have 4 children to raise. You started somewhere
once too and maybe it wasn't a learning curve for you but it is for
me and you coming in and talking bad about me to other members such
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LincolnF said:
I find your comments to be passive-agressive attacks on Melissa's
child rearing abilities and on her intelligence. This is not a
productive way to try to help some one who is learning.
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Lincoln

I'm sure Rodney wasn't questioning Melissa's parenting skills or being passively or even actively aggressive...

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