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My PMA Report - includes production D70 (long - imgs)

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JoeXposed said:
In the lighting provided by the booth (dark) I did not do what I
should have by setting a higher ISO.

The images I took with both the 18-70mm and the 24-120mm lens were
both taken at ISO200 and as a result out of focus. This is all I
was referring to.

It was my error and in such I can't report on how crisp the images
from that lens is and I can't provide a comparrison against a known
lens. My mistake should be no reflection on the quality of the
18-70mm.

Again, sorry! totall my fault here.
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Oh, now I see what you meant..... Please excuse me for misunderstanding you, I'm sure you did your best to answer everybody's questions !

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Take care,
Jorgen

Probere necesse est.....
 
jfk said:
Can you also comment on the 18 mm viewfinder as asked below; I
would be interested in that very much.

Thanks
jk
RecalcitrantRon said:
Thanks for the report.

One area of concern for me (because I wear glasses) with the D70 is
the 18mm eyepoint as compared to 24mm on the D100. How did you
find the viewfinder on the D70 to be as far as eyepoint and
brightness
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maybe this say something more about:

"...Viewfinder is horrible. And that's from Nikon whose viewfinders
in Fn series were always very fine. It's only 0.75x with 95% view, and
that 0.75x is for the D_APS format of course... And what's worse, it's
pentamirror not pentaprism - so it's darker too. I don't understand
them. Somebody should hang the product designers! So, the viewfinder
is even worse than on D100. Big thanks to Pentax to actually making
DSLR with usable viewfinder! On the D100 and D70, there is no manual
focus. You just don't see what's in-focus and what's not. Everything
looks infocus with a wider lens, so small the finder is...."

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg162427.html

one more waiting for Phil review!... me

rgds
 
Thank you so much. They are BEAUTIFUL. underexposed? hell no. I think the models OVERexposed themselves hehehehehe..... thanks again.
JoeXposed said:
These were underexposed and as such have some noise in them.
Nevertheless, you get the general gist that these are unbelievably
beautiful women.

The photographer shooting them could NOT take a bad picture.
Olympus is very smart!
  • joeX
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RecalcitrantRon said:
That's not particularly encouraging. Just have to wait and see how
it all shakes out in the next 2 months.

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Just my nickels worth.
Happy Snappin'!

Ron
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FCAS Member No. 68
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Coolpix 45 Hundred
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I got to shoot it at PMA....if I did not turn around the front of the camera...I would not know if it was a D100...I have a D2H ..had a D100 and can't wait to get the D70 as a nice backup camera!
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Dave Cheatham
 
JoeXposed said:
  • D70 NEF Uncompressed size: 6MB compared to D100 9MB
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Are you sure that's not D70 compressed NEF vs D100 uncompressed NEF?
JoeXposed said:
D70 NEF files (if you can open them)
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO200.NEF
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO400.NEF
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO800.NEF
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO1600.NEF
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I can't open them, but downloaded to see file size, and they are significantly larger than we originally expected. The smallest one is 5.3MB and largest 6.1MB w/ avg being around 5.7MB. And given that they're shot in poor light condition, I'd expect larger file sizes in good light w/ avg being more like 6MB perhaps.

This combined w/ need for new version of RAW converter bolds well for those of us concerned about the 12-bit vs 10-bit issue w/ compressed NEF. I haven't personally seen D100 compressed NEFs, but Phil's review points to a substantially smaller 4.5MB file size.

Since you have hands-on experience w/ the RAW conversion library, can you expand a little on this for us?

Thanks a bunch!

Man

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As usual, YMMV + caveat emptor.
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Man-Fai Wong said:
JoeXposed said:
  • D70 NEF Uncompressed size: 6MB compared to D100 9MB
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Are you sure that's not D70 compressed NEF vs D100 uncompressed NEF?
Man-Fai Wong said:
D70 NEF files (if you can open them)
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO200.NEF
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO400.NEF
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO800.NEF
http://www.joexposed.com/dpreview/D70_ISO1600.NEF
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I can't open them, but downloaded to see file size, and they are
significantly larger than we originally expected. The smallest one
is 5.3MB and largest 6.1MB w/ avg being around 5.7MB. And given
that they're shot in poor light condition, I'd expect larger file
sizes in good light w/ avg being more like 6MB perhaps.

This combined w/ need for new version of RAW converter bolds well
for those of us concerned about the 12-bit vs 10-bit issue w/
compressed NEF. I haven't personally seen D100 compressed NEFs,
but Phil's review points to a substantially smaller 4.5MB file size.

Since you have hands-on experience w/ the RAW conversion library,
can you expand a little on this for us?

Thanks a bunch!

Man

--
Just another amateur -- see profile for more + some basic photog
resources.
As usual, YMMV + caveat emptor.
Contact me at [email protected]
Indulge my fancies at http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
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--
Just another amateur -- see profile for more + some basic photog resources.
As usual, YMMV + caveat emptor.
Contact me at [email protected]
Indulge my fancies at http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
 
JoeXposed said:
There are 2 images you can download in ZIP format.
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I don't see any ISO information in the exif of these pictures. Is it the software (ACDSee 5) or is it the picture?

I assume the pics were taken with a 24-120 mm.

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Hela
 
Yikes the ISO1600 is absolutely horrible. It's hard to believe that it's from the same camera that showed almost noise free portraits at ISO1000 at digitalreview.ca Wonder if there is anything wrong with shooting setting or RAW conversion? Not pointing finger but curious (so pardon my questions).
Harvey Elmore said:
Jarle Aasland said:
Harvey Elmore said:
D70 NEF files (if you can open them)
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I've converted two files (ISO 200 and 1600) to JPEG with my own RAW
converter (which uses the official Nikon Browse Library).

You'll find both files at http://www.photothumb.com/d70/

Hope you don't mind.

(For those interested, I hope to release a beta version of the RAW
converter within a month or so. For more info, feel free to contact
me at [email protected]).

Jarle
http://www.photothumb.com
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Thanks, Harvey Elmore
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Nikon F601 (N6006), FM, Nikkor 50/1.4, 80-200/2.8, 35-80, Tokina 20-35 (all AF lenses)

Preordered D70 on 1/29!
 
Damn, who took those NEF D70 Files... He better shouldn't have posted them... Thats not only a cam issue: ITS the Man on the Cam sorry! HORRIBLE! Canonut? lol
 
Last week I tested the D70 side by side with the D2H and there was a noticable difference between the viewfinders. The diopter range is shorter and the image you are looking at is noticeably smaller.

It may not be fair to compare these two cameras side by side but it made me hesitate and contain my enthusiasm a bit.

I will still buy the D70 as a general every day camera but I wouldn't have minded a few more notches in the diopter adjustment (I did not try it with my glasses on).

george

http://dpmac.com
jfk said:
RecalcitrantRon said:
Thanks for the report.

One area of concern for me (because I wear glasses) with the D70 is
the 18mm eyepoint as compared to 24mm on the D100. How did you
find the viewfinder on the D70 to be as far as eyepoint and
brightness?

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Just my nickels worth.
Happy Snappin'!

Ron
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http://www.pbase.com/recalcitrantron
FCAS Member No. 68
pbase supporter
Coolpix 45 Hundred
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George Mann

http://dpmac.com
 
That means that the camera is rated for 100,000 shutter cycles before the internals have to be adjusted or replaced.

This was from the mouth of Nikon reps and they said it very "matter of factly". It was something I didn't know and that's why I posted it.
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muchswatch said:
Hello JoeXposed : would you please explain "D100 has 100,000 cycles
between meantime failure"? what do you mean by that?

Thanks a lot.

Jay

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http://www.fotop.net/muchswatch
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Dave Cheatham said:
RecalcitrantRon said:
That's not particularly encouraging. Just have to wait and see how
it all shakes out in the next 2 months.

--
Just my nickels worth.
Happy Snappin'!

Ron
----------------------------------------------------
http://www.pbase.com/recalcitrantron
FCAS Member No. 68
pbase supporter
Coolpix 45 Hundred
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I got to shoot it at PMA....if I did not turn around the front of
the camera...I would not know if it was a D100...I have a D2H ..had
a D100 and can't wait to get the D70 as a nice backup camera!
--
Dave Cheatham
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As a Canon man I hope the D70 does indeed sell well and forces CAnon to update it's crippled 300D or better still lower the price of the 10D. D70 is a great camera and good to see Nikon hit back hard. Ok Mr Canon the ball is in your court.
 
Ya know... I didn't get a chance to look at them and had to post them blind. I'm not at all surprised that they are out of focus and using the wrong white balance since it was almost impossible to get my hands on one.

Had to shoot fast and pass it on.

Sorry for the quality. I'll remove the files so no one else downloads them.
  • joeX
McErono said:
Damn, who took those NEF D70 Files... He better shouldn't have
posted them... Thats not only a cam issue: ITS the Man on the Cam
sorry! HORRIBLE! Canonut? lol
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JoeX, don't worry a bit. These and others are all adding up to a more complete picture about D70 and its kit lens. I'm puzzled but maybe your shots do indicate that under certain conditions the noise from D70 can be quite high. No camera is ever perfect. BTW I sincerely appreciate your efforts!
JoeXposed said:
Had to shoot fast and pass it on.

Sorry for the quality. I'll remove the files so no one else
downloads them.
  • joeX
McErono said:
Damn, who took those NEF D70 Files... He better shouldn't have
posted them... Thats not only a cam issue: ITS the Man on the Cam
sorry! HORRIBLE! Canonut? lol
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Nikon F601 (N6006), FM, Nikkor 50/1.4, 80-200/2.8, 35-80, Tokina 20-35 (all AF lenses)

Preordered D70 on 1/29!
 
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