What's wrong w/waiting till September?

to shoot the engineers and go into production." I've been in configuration management and a good part of that was supporting or running change boards. Getting an item into volume production is really far more complex than most people realize. Every time you change a design feature, especially a major feature or goal, it ripples. Hopefully the ripples can be controlled.
 
Having a 7D body with AS, you may not need those expensive Minolta SSM lenses.
...Lucas
 
I wasn't actually trying to project anything. I was merely trying to make a point that people were whining about supposed 'deficiencies' in the camera and it hasn't even been released yet. I wanted to point out that maybe Minolta has had a 6MP camera ready for quite some time and for one reason or another (merger with Konica perhaps?) it could have been delayed. Once the reason for the delays were settled they could have realized that by the time they ship the camera it could very well be that everyone else had moved to higher resolution imaging sensors. For all we know they could have decided in September 2003 that the unit should be upgraded to 8MP even though they could ship a 6MP unit then. We will never know what the timeline was for anything at Konica Minolta.

I personally don't care whether the digital Maxxum ships with 6,8 or 10 MP. All I know is I plan to own one and I clearly stated that I was merely speculating. However there appears to be some support for the 'wild speculations' being put forth by me.

See the following link (all credit for the link goes to Klaudio for bringing this to my attention!)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1024&message=7634648
David,

I certainly understand your feeling, and I would like to think that
Minolta has some other special thing up its sleeve, but really I
think you are projecting a bit too many of your good feelings onto
this erstwhile camera manufacturer.
--
David

I shoot people all the time–but I use cameras, not guns!
http://homepage.mac.com/david_g_force
 
caterpillar,

You've been for a while on this forum, but lately I have only seen messages from you as being negative on Minolta. I don't want to call you a troll, but you should try to be a bit more optmistic if you are here to learn an share your knowledge. Otherwise, you'll only create confusion and not contribute to anything.

I see from your profile that you don't own a Minolta, so maybe when you have one your comments will be more positive.
... Lucas
 
I believe when KM starts selling the 7D they will already have a 9D on the oven, maybe with the now much requested 8 MP sensor !!
So, I expect another great surprise for 2005!!

... Lucas

Think Positive !!
 
Why up tp 24 images i am pretty sure they can make to infinite. Let say they put space for two card this could be a way to proced??
No way do I want to wait. I want the plain vanilla model they
introduced today! Yeah right!
I'm pretty sure you might have a reason for waiting or not waiting.
The 7D is the camera I envisioned of getting: 6MP, Maxxum 7 body
and AS. The only caveat is I have to wait until September to get
one.

Some people said that by that time, Canon, Nikon and the others
would have caught up with Minolta's technology. Now why is that a
bad deal? For me competition amongst these camera mfgs. benefit us
the consumers----we get innovative products at reasonable prices.

For me, what could be bad-----shooting with slide and negative
films for the next 7 mos. with my Maxxum SLR. I mean have fun out
there and if you truly must have that DSLR, there are so many
options you can choose now and in the near future.

Happy clicking,

José

--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

--
David

I shoot people all the time–but I use cameras, not guns!
http://homepage.mac.com/david_g_force
 
I believe when KM starts selling the 7D they will already have a 9D
on the oven, maybe with the now much requested 8 MP sensor !!
So, I expect another great surprise for 2005!!

... Lucas

Think Positive !!
I'm pretty sure KM will make a digital 9, not sure if it is slated for 2005 or 2006. I still think though that KM needs to position an entry-level DSLR to go against the 300D.

Cheers,

José

--
Come and visit me at:
http://www.pbase.com/jmb_56

 
This is a very interesting discussion, and I think it reveals the different backgrounds of people here. Of course it is all just speculation on our part, but hey....we need SOME way to kill time until the Digital-7 hits the shelves.

FIrst of all, David, I honestly didn't mean to sound rude. And Just Kidding, I hope you are right that there is 8MP development for this camera going on in parallel. But my experience tells me that if that were in the works, it would have been part of the DSLR announcement at PMA. And I think Caterpillar and Craig are largely correct about the point at which the product needs to be wrenched from the kung-fu death grip of the engineers and released to manufacturing, whatever imperfections or defeciencies may remain. I admit that if I were an engineer I would want to continue tweaking my brainchild, but the reality of consumer capitalism is that you need to get something on the market sometime.

In my experience at a manufacturing unit, which makes something with fewer internal components than a camera, complete design freeze takes place about 6 months prior to start of production so that the component & material supply chain can be filled, with finished products not hitting the shelves until about 2 months later.

And no, it is not so easy to set a price immediately before sticking something on a shelf. The folks in accounting would be pretty upset about that--they have business plans to execute. Much of the price variation you see out there centers around how much of a cut the retailer wants to take, not what Minolta is getting on a per-unit basis (at least over a given period of time).

My guess is that we'll see a 6MP Digital-7 in September (when it is released here in Japan I will let you know), with a perhaps 10MP full-frame Digital-9 in 2005. That's where I think the higher MP sensor development that Just Kidding is talking about comes into play--in the design of the next generation camera.

We'll see! I assume you will all be purchasing one? I know I am....

-Seth
to shoot the engineers and go into production." I've been in
configuration management and a good part of that was supporting or
running change boards. Getting an item into volume production is
really far more complex than most people realize. Every time you
change a design feature, especially a major feature or goal, it
ripples. Hopefully the ripples can be controlled.
 
Thanks for that! I have been wondering about that nasty crop factor....
Hi JK,

Am I right to say that APS-C is a format variant of APS negative?
Sorry, never use a APS film before.
Basically there are three formats defined for APS: APS-H, -C and
-P. APS-H is about 30 x 17 mm on film with an aspect ratio of 16:9.
APS-C has an aspect ration of 3:2 (same as 35 mm cameras) which
translates into 25.5 x 17. APS-P is a panoramic format with 30 x 12
mm (don't remember exactly).
But how does that relates to APS-C format sensor on a 35mm lens?
Well, an APS-C sensor captures an area of approx 25.5 x 17 mm out
of the 36 x 24 mm. The cropping factor is the ratio between
diagonals. In theory 1.41, but in practice a bit more because the
usable area is actually a bit smaller. Also the chip makers cheat a
bit so an APS-C sensor might only have a size of 22.5 x 15 mm.

JK
 
It depends on availability. On nothing else. The biggest challenge
8 MP vs. 6 MP is applying the RGB filters to the silicon. From the
standpoint of the electronics engineer the difference is zilch.
Ha ha ha ha. You are a funny man. Now I am beginning to lose my perception of you as a good engineer.
but why are you testing when you should be producing it. remember
6mp design, not 8mp? And what if you find out that it does not
work, what changes in the logistics and fab will you need to do to
make it right?
You trust in datasheets? Without testing prior to freezing design
you might run into funny problem.
I should be asking you that! You trust your own data sheets? You trust your engineering prowess alone? So you do more R&D, right? But you are supposed to be producing the camera, not experimenting! So, you get delays. Unless you don't want to do testing and just run them up production. You are in a bind now, JK.
Complete new technology for Kodak (CMOS vs. CCD). The chip was
designed by a belgium company and fabricated by an israely foundry,
in contrary to the 'genuine' Kodak CCDs whre all steps from design
to fabrication happen in house.
What makes you sure now, that the 8mp you want to put in there will
not be CMOS (if the 6mp was CCD) and would not require changes. So
It does not. Sony for instance, offers families of highly
compatible devices with the same support circuits etc. CMOS and CCD
are completey different breeds. CMOS or CCD is a STRATEGIC decision.
Really now? No wonder they bungled their 828. As the other brands come out with their own 8mp p&s, . And don't tell me it's the lens that's at fault, because either way, there is a problem. Is that 828 now a CCD or CMOS? You see how your plugging an 8mp, even if "strategically" planned can cause havoc? While you would just plug in an 8mp in midstream.
The problems they had were not related to pixel numbers, but mainly
related to the completely new technology. CMOS is totally different!
Exactly!
Ok, at least one point where we agree.
But you will act differently. You will proceed recklessly. Arrogantly even. That is the difference.
Minolta is not experienced enough with the dslr technology. The
They have the RD-175, RD-3000, scanners etc. Not to mention their
medical and industrial measuring equipment.
Yes. But here's a fact for you. With all these knowledge behind them, why, at this point in time do they have no dslr? Why does the mockup at the PMA not even shooting? Having knowledge and innovation is part of the solution. It does not guarantee successful product. It requires a good plan and execution of the entire value chain.
same way even if you have taken 50,000 photos but have not done a
wedding, you will still be in for a shock. They may have years of
experience with P&S, but they have not released a successful dslr
yet!
(end of part 2a)

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
They have. The RD-175 sold very well. Apart from that: The
difference between 7/7i/7hi class of cameras and a real DSLR is
pretty small. Electronics and SW are basically the same, the chip
size is different but this has much more impact on the optics than
on the electronics.
Really now? Mwwwwwwaaaaahaha hahahaha (to create my own laugher a la Ulysses). A legend of a dslr which will go down in history!
It was a much greater technological achievement to design the 7
than a DSLR, 3 years ago.
That's not the point. We are talking dslrs here. Though you can use many technologies from film, the difficulties are higher than what you simply assume (this is why I am losing my respect for you as an engineer).
Exactly again! CMOS is a different breed (as what Nikon is finding
out with lbcast and Kodak with the 14n and dcs pro n).
Yes. And because of that you have to think twice before you switch.
But this is irrelevant here.
So, going from 6 to 8mp is not that easy. You just don't change
production plans in midstream.
Depends how well prepared you are to market trends.
We know the answer to this already, JK. They are NOT prepared. If
For sure they are. They have years of contractual relations with
SOny and other companies and know what's in the pipeline or not.
they were, they you would be seeing sample images already. We would
Again, building ANOTHER DSLR is not a big deal. They had all the
bits and pieces available as building blocks. The real challenge is
AS and come up with a design that LASTS. Look at D30/D60/10D.
No big deal? OK, why haven't we seen one for the past 3 years? Why the end of the year forecast if it is "no big deal."

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
have a working model (even if 6mp) at the PMA. My honest guess now
is they won't even make it fall, and DEc is going to be tight. But
I have confidence in the team to peg my forecast in Dec (unless
supply problems crop in).
I'll buy my 7D after Photokina ;-)
So, if you are the manager of the KM 1st commercial dslr, would you
It's not the first.
Of course not, but the others were not deal makers were they? Nobody fondly remembers them. Do a search on this forum on these models and see how many hits you get. I got 7 on "RD 3000" as a parameter. So, afaik, this dynax 7d is the first real commercial dslr.
give the ok to use an 8mp sensor when your original specs are 6mp
knowing what you know now? Even if your design is flexible. How
about if this happened in July?
IF the 8 MP is AVAILABLE (in stock) this would be a piece of cake.
But it is not, at least for larger sensors good for dslrs. You already know the reason why so I won't go into that. But if you do, why do you say it is a "piece of cake"?

And you did mention "IF." What if it isn't? And this is beside the point too. Why because, as I said in the other posts, you have to factor the extra R&D to test the new/different chip. But you are supposed to be producing cameras NOT testing them!
If you said, "YES," then you may be a good engineer. But you will
be a weak manager (who needs to go back to business school), will
have lots of enemies in marketing (because you will have change the
price of the camera midstream as well and now they have a problem
telling the customers why it will cost more), have no concept of
logistics, ignores manufacturing issues, have no respect for
proper R&D, and a lousy strategist.
The price gets fixed at the time it becomes available in the shops.
You need to enroll in marketing or finance subject, man. You still have much to learn.
And, if I could charge 30% more (8 vs. 6) with maybe a total
increase of production cost of 10% I would be stupid not to do
that. People are willing to pay a premium for premium products.
I am sorry if I am hard on you. You seem to be floating solely on
your OWN technical justification, ignoring other production related
concerns. You need to "shocked" to see the realities of
manufacturing, R&D, strategy, etc. not from the standpoint of
engineering and design alone but from the standpoint of your entire
value chain.
Most of your assumptions are, because of lack of the technical
background, wrong.
And you are deciding on the basis of technical basis only. Very dangerous. You would make a very weak operations mgr, or even team leader for a high tech co. if this is how you plan and execute.

It is not lack of technical background too that is important here. It is familiarity with Technology Mg't. I have a Graduate degree in that (graduating in the top 5 of the class) and have charted one gov't agencies policies and training for our country based on sound technological forecast using the techniques learned. And these forecasts are on 16 prime indsutries (construction/civil, IT, agriculture, hotel & restaurant, automotive, etc). Do I have to be an farmer to know that I don't have to pull out my rice with ICC99 and replace it with the new high yield variety? Do I have to be in IT to advise them not abandon VB in 2001 and learn other skill sets (java, for IT in the same time period? Do I have to be a graduate of Automotive or mechanical engineering to say their TQM standards in their training site is poor (it was dusty and they have cats living within the training grounds)? And agriculture alone includes not just farming rice, but also prawn production, flower farming, fish production, etc! Did I have a degree in those? But did I give good and sound forecast and implementation strategies? Of course. The only question now is how effective they are going to implement them as this is no longer under my control. But I won't change horses midstream unless it is a complete disaster. But if it is planned and executed well, "complete disaster" is a low probability (have not encountered that in my 20 years of working).

You mistake technical know-how and competence with having common sense. Unfortunately, we still don't know how to teach people that.
The only way we will see an 8mp KM dslr is if they designed it that
way originanally from the start and working towards that goal in
the first place. But Minolta fans, be prepared to pay more than
U$2,000 for an 8mp dslr.
This would actually be a bargain.
Really? I was being cautious there. A dslr with 8mp at this point in time is going to be around U$3,200-4,500 (the D2h, 1D mkII e.g.). Even if you use a lesser AF it will still be knocking at U$2,500 conservatively. It will push many minoltan's to the d70, 10d, 300d, ist*d. As I said in my previous post, you would also not do well working for marketing or corporate planning.

And if we do see an 8mp camera, it is was because it was planned and executed as an 8mp in the beginning, not as an afterthought.

I am done with you, JK. You crack me up! Really, man! Haven't had a good laugh on the boards lately (except when Ulysses gives is famous BWAHAHAHAHAHA).

Good luck with your career, especially if you are an engineer. I am glad you didn't become my boss!

Thanks for the exchange.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
In no way did I imply or mean to imply you were rude. On the contrary, you raised some valid points and we're all here to just past time until "our baby" is delivered. :-)
FIrst of all, David, I honestly didn't mean to sound rude. And
Just Kidding, I hope you are right that there is 8MP development
for this camera going on in parallel. But my experience tells me
that if that were in the works, it would have been part of the DSLR
announcement at PMA. And I think Caterpillar and Craig are largely
correct about the point at which the product needs to be wrenched
from the kung-fu death grip of the engineers and released to
manufacturing, whatever imperfections or defeciencies may remain.
I admit that if I were an engineer I would want to continue
tweaking my brainchild, but the reality of consumer capitalism is
that you need to get something on the market sometime.

In my experience at a manufacturing unit, which makes something
with fewer internal components than a camera, complete design
freeze takes place about 6 months prior to start of production so
that the component & material supply chain can be filled, with
finished products not hitting the shelves until about 2 months
later.

And no, it is not so easy to set a price immediately before
sticking something on a shelf. The folks in accounting would be
pretty upset about that--they have business plans to execute. Much
of the price variation you see out there centers around how much of
a cut the retailer wants to take, not what Minolta is getting on a
per-unit basis (at least over a given period of time).

My guess is that we'll see a 6MP Digital-7 in September (when it is
released here in Japan I will let you know), with a perhaps 10MP
full-frame Digital-9 in 2005. That's where I think the higher MP
sensor development that Just Kidding is talking about comes into
play--in the design of the next generation camera.

We'll see! I assume you will all be purchasing one? I know I am....

-Seth
to shoot the engineers and go into production." I've been in
configuration management and a good part of that was supporting or
running change boards. Getting an item into volume production is
really far more complex than most people realize. Every time you
change a design feature, especially a major feature or goal, it
ripples. Hopefully the ripples can be controlled.
--
David

I shoot people all the time–but I use cameras, not guns!
http://homepage.mac.com/david_g_force
 
Ok seriously, this can't be that hard to figure out...

SD are now faster than CF cards, and just about the same price. I know many of us have spent untold dollars on CF cards, so make everyone happy. Put in a dual-slot SD/CF card reader in this baby. Its not like there isn't enough room...SD readers are so tiny to start with, then couple it to the CF card reader, and you wouldn't even know it was there. Anybody complaining because they have the freedom to choose which cards to use?

Ok, so then lets give them 1 more thing...lets give the camera the ability to write to both cards simultaneously. I know it would take a bit more processing power, and some unique architecture, but its surely not out of our reach. This should basically be enough to shoot at a rate of 15 mb/s, and assuming we get a buffer of say, 512 mb (cmon, I'm willing to pay for it), you could basically shoot as many shots in a row as you like.
Lets see...
flow into buffer = 6 frames/second * 8 mb/raw frame = 48 mb/s
flow out of buffer = 10 mb/s (SD card) + 6 mb/s (CF card) = 16 mb/s
total flow of buffer = (48 - 16) mb/s = 32 mb/s
512 mb/(32 mb/s) = 16 seconds of continuous 6fps raw shooting = 96 frames.
96 frames * 8 mb = 768 mb

sooooo, if you have 1 512 pro CF card, and 1 512 high speed SD card, and the ability to write to both at their capacities, you can damn near shoot 100 frames of raw, at an amazing rate of 6 mb/s. Anyone else like this idea? I know, I know, you are wasting huge amounts of memory in seconds, and obviously, after this 16 secound burst, your camera is going to be writing for a long time, but who cares, you just cought 100 shots during a single play of the football game...and thats a long play, if I might add. Now, to go back and delete all the useless ones....well, thats a whole nother issue.

How sweet would it be to be able to shoot 6 fps for 16 seconds???? I don't think many pro action photographers would be using Nikon and Canon for long :)
--
-Matt
http://www.pbase.com/ph0t0man
 
to shoot the engineers and go into production." I've been in
configuration management and a good part of that was supporting or
running change boards. Getting an item into volume production is
really far more complex than most people realize. Every time you
change a design feature, especially a major feature or goal, it
ripples. Hopefully the ripples can be controlled.
Thank you, Craig. I am not into this type of production. But my friends and classmates in grad school were (working for Intel, mitsubishi, ericcson, etc). My teacher in TQM is also a top mgr at a large semi con company here, so I know, even if I am not an engineer what it takes to produce something. We have also visited a manufacturing plant and seen for ourselves how things are manufactured and the problems involved. I also have 4 years experience in logistics mg't in Saudi Arabia working for the Saudi Ordnance under American standards, so logistics is a big thing for me.

You are right. It is complex and if I may add, it can be beautiful at how, if things are done right, the execution is like a top class ballet act but on a manufacturing line. And you are also right, to put it mildly, "it ripples." I have seen people lose their jobs en masse (an entire dept) for a bungling in logistics (I won't mention the company, sorry).

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
caterpillar,
You've been for a while on this forum, but lately I have only seen
messages from you as being negative on Minolta. I don't want to
call you a troll, but you should try to be a bit more optmistic if
you are here to learn an share your knowledge. Otherwise, you'll
only create confusion and not contribute to anything.
I see from your profile that you don't own a Minolta, so maybe when
you have one your comments will be more positive.
... Lucas
Lucas,

This is not being negative of Minolta. If you want, pick any company besides Minolta and put it there. The facts will not change. Manufacturing is manufacturing and we were discussing not the technical merits of the dslr, but what would happen if you happen to change a 6mp design in the middle of production to an 8mp sensor. Whether it will be a Canon or nikon, or pentax, the results will be the same -- it will likely be a disaster. It just so happens we are on this forum.

I don't believe that is being negative. It is being factual. I want to for this first commerical dslr to succeed. That is why many stuck with 6mp. Going above that has posed considerable problems and we don't want Minolta to fail on this highly anticipated product.

Sorry, if it sounded I am against minolta. I am not. I am FOR MINOLTA.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
...you would have to hook up a liquid oxygen cooler to keep the whole system from melting...LOL

I do like the way you think however.
Ok seriously, this can't be that hard to figure out...
SD are now faster than CF cards, and just about the same price. I
know many of us have spent untold dollars on CF cards, so make
everyone happy. Put in a dual-slot SD/CF card reader in this baby.
Its not like there isn't enough room...SD readers are so tiny to
start with, then couple it to the CF card reader, and you wouldn't
even know it was there. Anybody complaining because they have the
freedom to choose which cards to use?
Ok, so then lets give them 1 more thing...lets give the camera the
ability to write to both cards simultaneously. I know it would
take a bit more processing power, and some unique architecture, but
its surely not out of our reach. This should basically be enough
to shoot at a rate of 15 mb/s, and assuming we get a buffer of say,
512 mb (cmon, I'm willing to pay for it), you could basically shoot
as many shots in a row as you like.
Lets see...
flow into buffer = 6 frames/second * 8 mb/raw frame = 48 mb/s
flow out of buffer = 10 mb/s (SD card) + 6 mb/s (CF card) = 16 mb/s
total flow of buffer = (48 - 16) mb/s = 32 mb/s
512 mb/(32 mb/s) = 16 seconds of continuous 6fps raw shooting = 96
frames.
96 frames * 8 mb = 768 mb
sooooo, if you have 1 512 pro CF card, and 1 512 high speed SD
card, and the ability to write to both at their capacities, you can
damn near shoot 100 frames of raw, at an amazing rate of 6 mb/s.
Anyone else like this idea? I know, I know, you are wasting huge
amounts of memory in seconds, and obviously, after this 16 secound
burst, your camera is going to be writing for a long time, but who
cares, you just cought 100 shots during a single play of the
football game...and thats a long play, if I might add. Now, to go
back and delete all the useless ones....well, thats a whole nother
issue.
How sweet would it be to be able to shoot 6 fps for 16 seconds????
I don't think many pro action photographers would be using Nikon
and Canon for long :)
--
-Matt
http://www.pbase.com/ph0t0man
--
David

I shoot people all the time–but I use cameras, not guns!
http://homepage.mac.com/david_g_force
 
Disagree. I haven't even mentioned the fact that now that your
sensor is bigger you may have to re-order your parts to hold your
sensor, recalculate your pentarism, re-calculate and re-order the
mirror box, etc., etc.
Where did I claim that the sensor is bigger? I just said 8 MP
instead of 6 MP. Even if it were it might come in an IDENTICAL
package. Look up the data sheets at the URLS I gave and you'll find
plenty of examples.
OK. I'll grant you are right on this. But you would still test it because you made changes, right? You might even have to re-order a different AA filter because of you now have a different pixel count.

But for the nth time -- You are supposed to be manufacturing the dslr already, not changing specs or parts midstream! And this is not a simple nut or bolt but the sensor! You are not supposed to be doing R&D at this time on the new sensor!
You have not factored this. And even if you can recalculate it with
speed, you usually have these parts ordered months in advance. So,
you re-order? Willing to wait months for the adjusted parts? What
about the old parts for the 6mp?
Even if it were bigger, the whole analog and digital signal
processing chain including clock pattern generation, drivers etc.
remains exactly the same.

You don't habe to believe that. It's enough that I KNOW it's the case.
OK. You know. What can I say? But you have not tested it, and what if your tests shows you have to ORDER different other parts because of variations in test results that would make QC fail? You always seem to assume too that the parts are just ready for you to take, as if you just go to a hardware store and order a nut and bult and get one. If you are planning to produce 30,000 units of this in a month, you need to order this in advance. So, you will be delayed again, not to mention that Finance is not going to be happy with what you want.
But you are not sensitive to your manufacturing and supply chain.
You are still thinking only as an engineer (maybe even a good one).
but a poor tech mgr or logistics mgr. And a poor planner.
No, I keep all options open until a rather late state of the
project, that means I can react quickly on supply and demand.
Having options open is different from being able to execute those options. Even if you have unlimited coffers, if your supplier says that we don't have those parts, you're screwed.
The A1/A2 is an excellent example for this strategy. Do you
believe, they redesigned the A2 from scratch? New firmware, mainly
because of the better display and finito. The only open question
was when the 8 MP chips are available, not if.
No. But I go back to supply chain mgt. and I go back to the fact that they designed it right as it is and executed it within bounds as is. They didn't plug in a 10mp in when their charts shows it should be a 8mp, just because 10mp just suddenly became available. Or maybe it was not available. And it was not available because you have to order it in advance. And even if it was, it was not in the specs/plans to build a 10mp A2 at this time.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
 
..it doesn't matter. I have followed the banter between you and JK and you both raise equally valid points. Methinks however that the end result will fall somewhere between the two of you.

I just want to clarify that I didn't mean to say that switching to an 8MP sensor was an afterthought. I simply wanted to toss the idea out there that maybe the camera was originally planned to utilize one from the very beginning but the sensor was not yet up to production standards. I could see a case being made for Konica Minolta to delay the release of their camera if they new that other vendors would make it obsolete 2 months after its release. The question then becomes do we go ahead and release it now, knowing this will happen, or do we wait another six months and see if we can't get the better chip into the unit.

The point was made that it would be foolish to come out with a DSLR design with no head room built in for further advancement and I completely agree with it. As an example Kodak spec'd the 4/3 imaging sensor to scale up to 12-14 MP as I recall, but you see that the first iteration was released at only 5 MP. I find it hard to fathom that Minolta (being late to the party) would design the Digital Maxxum/Dynax so that it could only accommodate a 6MP sensor and nothing more. I tend to agree with JK that all of the other asics and electronics were designed so that when the time comes, it would take major reconstructive surgery to pop in a better sensor.

Anyway, everyone should take a look at my response to Seth earlier in this thread. That ought to keep the fires burning here for quite some time!
caterpillar,
You've been for a while on this forum, but lately I have only seen
messages from you as being negative on Minolta. I don't want to
call you a troll, but you should try to be a bit more optmistic if
you are here to learn an share your knowledge. Otherwise, you'll
only create confusion and not contribute to anything.
I see from your profile that you don't own a Minolta, so maybe when
you have one your comments will be more positive.
... Lucas
Lucas,

This is not being negative of Minolta. If you want, pick any
company besides Minolta and put it there. The facts will not
change. Manufacturing is manufacturing and we were discussing not
the technical merits of the dslr, but what would happen if you
happen to change a 6mp design in the middle of production to an 8mp
sensor. Whether it will be a Canon or nikon, or pentax, the results
will be the same -- it will likely be a disaster. It just so
happens we are on this forum.

I don't believe that is being negative. It is being factual. I want
to for this first commerical dslr to succeed. That is why many
stuck with 6mp. Going above that has posed considerable problems
and we don't want Minolta to fail on this highly anticipated
product.

Sorry, if it sounded I am against minolta. I am not. I am FOR MINOLTA.

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  • Caterpillar
'Always in the process of changing, growing, and transforming.'
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David

I shoot people all the time–but I use cameras, not guns!
http://homepage.mac.com/david_g_force
 
I tend to agree with JK that all of the other
asics and electronics were designed so that when the time comes, it
would take major reconstructive surgery to pop in a better sensor.
I meant to say that it WOULD NOT take major reconstructive surgery to pop in a better sensor.
Sorry for the confusion!

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David

I shoot people all the time–but I use cameras, not guns!
http://homepage.mac.com/david_g_force
 

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