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I have been dealing with AI Focus for a decade now.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were totally ignorant of AI Focus let me ask you one tiny little question:

What is it that causes One Shot to turn into AL Servo as described in the Canon manual?
Answer: Who the heck knows it's so vague!!

So knowing this any sane person would then say 'hey I think I need the 10D with full time Al Servo this AI Focus thing is too Vague for me" It's the same thing done by many people in this forum you aren't the only one.
Daniella said:
Michael Louis said:
especially those smart enough when they bought this camera to know
what they were getting. It's so easy to label these intellegent
consumers Canon Soldiers, but it doesn't erase the fact that you
are just whining about something you should have known if you
didn't.
Even so BigMike said it all: If this camera didn't perform to your
standards then you could have returned it.
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I sent it to Canon because it was never kicking into servo..now I
have the opposite problem as it kick very often when I recompose
ACCORDING TO THE MANUAL INSTRUCTIONS! so what genius...should I
send it back for another mont???

shameful yourself..as you have no clue what you are talking about.

Good Grief, calling
Daniella68313 said:
people Canon Soldiers just because they are honest about what they
were getting themselves into...shameful.
Daniella said:
here goes the Canon sorliers :)
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DoctorG1 said:
DoctorG1 said:
I mean I did sell pictures using my high end P&S sony's but REALLY
needed a zoom you cant get with a P&S. If I have the extra $500
should I have gotten the 10D or should I wait now? How about that
new Nikon coming out?
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DoctorG1 said:
Being brutally honest , the D70 slays the 300D on features and will
be far more useable.
Pic quality and issues aside , I wouldn't buy a 300D toady with
that Camera coming to market if you have no other Canon stuff. If
you do have a fair investment in Lenses , flash etc , then the
vertical move to a 10D is the way to go. It doesnt look like Canon
are releasing a 10D replacement now , so there will most likely be
at least a 6 month lag till it does come out. I think the D70 is
nearer the 10d than the 300D and when Canon catch up in respect of
producing enough 10D's , I think there will be price pressure on
it- you might get a 10D for $1199 or so.
You can wait for this , or you can continue to use the 300D till
the 10D succesor or the 300D succesor comes out. I dont think that
at this stage a $500 investment is justified , especially if you
dont have a WA zoom (the 18-55 wont work and a decent zoom like the
17-40 can set you back a further $600)
I chose to get a 10D as I thought it was a lot better in terms of
useability for me over my 300D and wanted it now , my thoughts were
also that it is a fine camera with mostly all the resolution I need
and any other minor improvements would not be that critical for me
in a new model.There is really nothing wrong with the 300D and had
I not had the wherewithall to get the 10D and had not got a great
deal on upgrading (my 300D + $300) I would not have gone for it.

For a new Model to "catch" me , It would have to have a bigger
sensor , a lot more resolution (8-11mp) and would have to have a
really exceptional AF system that will work with lenses to F8 and
have to be sub $2k. If the 1d MkII was unser $2k , I would jump.

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Thanks Rodney, I really value your opinion. What I have now is the 300D the kit lens, a 50mm 1.8 and the 75-300mm IS. I hadn't gotten into flashes yet or other lenses. would it then be a wise choice to sell what I have now while it is still in demand and take that money and put it twoards the D70 when it comes out? I'm not a rich yound man so I'd like to make the best choice possible and stick with it for a couple of years. Thanks again for your input.

Joe
 
Daniella said:
We call if crippled because the camera actualy can do all the
things that it can do..only it has been crippled via software as
the firmare is deliberatly limiting the hardware.

it is not the camera itself that is the problem but the firmware
which cripple its hardware and possiblities. I am sorry that you
dont, like people calling it crippled..it is the only appropriate
word :)
J D Rebel said:
Daniella said:
not everyone no...To me it was far from clear what it was doing
after I read the brochure and info on the Canon web site.

I did not expect the metering to be so much weighted toward the
focusing point..so there goes the evaluative. And I did not expect
the AI focus to be so unpredictable. I did not expect that flash
exposure to be so inconsistant...although I don't take much flash
exposure.

Most of this is the result of the cripping.
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I understand your point and it is taken. But many are new users
because of the price that the 300D came out at. Why pay $700-$800
for a high end P&S when you can get an SLR. But then these same
people hear these (to some people) negative things and hear it
being called crippled and then say what the hell have I gotten into
here. I mean I really respect the pictures you have taken with this
camera and to hear you say what you say makes me think why not go
to ebay right now and just sell it because it is useless. Can you
see my point?
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for insanity.
Get a life.
Michael Louis said:
DoctorG1 said:
the metering and flash metering is the SAME as the 10d , whic is
considered the "uncrippled" version of the 300D , the EV metering
and E-ttl flash work the same way , the only option that is missing
on the 300D is the fact that you cant set CW average in all modes -
you still have partial in all modes on the 300D (AEL) so
essentailly , all you are missing in metering is CW average , and
you actually do have it in M mode. so being crippled there is
actually a little misleading....Ask any 10 D user when it's crucial
to use CW averaging , I never use it and use EV mode all the time ,
same as the 300D.
As far as focussing is concerned , AI servo is really only useful
for sports and there I will concede the point , it is rather
crippling not to have it explicitly settable if you are a sports
shooter . The point that must be made is that if you were a sports
shooter , purchasing the 300Dor in fact the 10D is not ideal at
all. The flash system works exactly the same on the uncrippled 10D
as the 300D barring the fact that you can set FEC with the internal
flash , but the fact of the matter is that if you are into flash
photography , the internal flash is totally mickey mouse , same as
the "uncrippled" 10d's (actually the added height of the 300D's
flash is better) and an external flash will allow FEC , if you
don't want to use FEL to accomplish the same thing.
You seem to be the guru here in terms of pics , surely a few $ more
for the "uncrippled" version , IE te 10D would not have been beyond
your reach as a pro photgrapher? I bought the 30D ad went to the
10d cos of the fact I wanted more control , but I knew what I was
getting into with the 300D and just bit the bullet and paid my
money and made my choices , I take most of my shots for my
business which is to display my products. Had I been selling pics
and had the artistic talent you have , I would have been even less
hesitant to take the leap to better.
I find it strange that a photographer a your level with your talent
cheaps out and is moaning about it.

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you so a pretty good job yourself, with your pointless posts and attacks.

I seriously think you should take her advice and get some mental help. Seriously. No kidding here.
Michael Louis said:
Daniella said:
http://www.getmentalhelp.com/

I sincerely recommand that you take a serious look at it...
Michael Louis said:
bdmm said:
s majesk said:
Obviously some people just like to hear themselves complain,
even if they have no one but themselves to blame
for their dissatisfaction. And misery loves company!
You can bet Canons not sympathetic!
Probably about 99% of owners are ecstatic about their Rebel!
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I would venture that a high percent of those 99% you refere to
don't move from the green box. Understanding, critisizing, and
recomending technical features of a camera involves understanding
the full feature set very well. From my sampling of the
ani-complain threads around here, most of the anti-complainers
don't really read the issues people are complaining about, they are
real, and technically they are not disputed. I don't believe
anyone is overlooking the fact that the DR takes wonderfull photos,
it's just those unpredictable functions that hurt.

Personally, the anti-complainers waste more BW than the complainers
IMHO.

Barry
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no matter how many times you tell yourself that two plus two equals five it will never be so. Same with your bad mouthing me. You don't know me, your just another internet imbecile who prances around in his jockey shorts online like a great big know it all. So go ahead little man in a big world, if it makes you feel good to talk bad about someone on the internet who is smarter than you and then put them down for sticking up for themselves: have at it. I don't care, nor does anyone else. Your a mouse to me, I like to toy with your little mind as you putz thru life thinking your 'IT'. Now go get your socks out of the dryer your late for work, you don't want to get into trouble.
José Luís Malaquias said:
Michael Louis said:
José Luís Malaquias said:
for insanity.
Get a life.
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as would any post from you if you continually get bad mouthed for being open and honest.

Are you open minded and truth seeking Stan or are you taking sides without knowing what your talking about: perhaps your another 'peace at all cost beatnik'?
Stan said:
..rather mean spirited to me.

Stan
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misha said:
is that those who call the camera crippled say that it's not
possible to really know a camera's problems and limitations from
reading reviews, manuals, etc. - they learned about them only after
using the Rebel for some time, and then it was too late to return
it. Yet we hear confident voices that the D70 is far superior in
functionality to the Rebel - doesn't one need time and hands-on
experience to make sure of that?

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I'm glad to read that because I think you are a great photographer. No doubt we will all have different cameras eventually, and that is why I'm a Canon Soldier - I've learned more about photography by using this camera in manual mode, and if I ever need to I can always and forever fall back on this knowledge even using a Super Duper Feature Whizbanger™ Canon 1xyz® (as long as manual mode is still offered). ~ m²
Daniella said:
It's that I love the camera but I hate the firmware.
Mark Marshall said:
Stan said:
When you actually use the camera you realize that things are not as
rosey as the marketing material claims. The basic "core" is good
though.

Stan
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Whoa! Hold on there, friend. I think that Daniella is entitled to her opinion. Her photos and posting history show that she's talented enough to know what she's talking about. And when she does talk, she tends to be both courteous and insightful.

That said, I think it is rather tasteless to accuse her of being "cheap" for not buying the 10D. I have no idea how much disposable income Daniella makes, and I'd wager that you don't either. That's her business, and her's alone. I'd would like to remind you that for many of us a D300 represents a sizeable investment.

Regardless of this, she's entitled to her opinion about the camera (s are you). The fact is (as Daniella put it) there are certain features in the D300 that are intentionally constrained by firmware. Perhaps it is unfortunate that folks use the term "crippled" to describe this, but in the context of the firmware's impact on camera functionality, the term is accurate.

Daniella managed to state her opinion clearly and succinctly without casting aspersions on anyone else in the process. Perhaps she has a thing or two to teach us about posting etiquette as well as about taking photos.

-mojo
DoctorG1 said:
the metering and flash metering is the SAME as the 10d , whic is
considered the "uncrippled" version of the 300D , the EV metering
and E-ttl flash work the same way , the only option that is missing
on the 300D is the fact that you cant set CW average in all modes -
you still have partial in all modes on the 300D (AEL) so
essentailly , all you are missing in metering is CW average , and
you actually do have it in M mode. so being crippled there is
actually a little misleading....Ask any 10 D user when it's crucial
to use CW averaging , I never use it and use EV mode all the time ,
same as the 300D.
As far as focussing is concerned , AI servo is really only useful
for sports and there I will concede the point , it is rather
crippling not to have it explicitly settable if you are a sports
shooter . The point that must be made is that if you were a sports
shooter , purchasing the 300Dor in fact the 10D is not ideal at
all. The flash system works exactly the same on the uncrippled 10D
as the 300D barring the fact that you can set FEC with the internal
flash , but the fact of the matter is that if you are into flash
photography , the internal flash is totally mickey mouse , same as
the "uncrippled" 10d's (actually the added height of the 300D's
flash is better) and an external flash will allow FEC , if you
don't want to use FEL to accomplish the same thing.
You seem to be the guru here in terms of pics , surely a few $ more
for the "uncrippled" version , IE te 10D would not have been beyond
your reach as a pro photgrapher? I bought the 30D ad went to the
10d cos of the fact I wanted more control , but I knew what I was
getting into with the 300D and just bit the bullet and paid my
money and made my choices , I take most of my shots for my
business which is to display my products. Had I been selling pics
and had the artistic talent you have , I would have been even less
hesitant to take the leap to better.
I find it strange that a photographer a your level with your talent
cheaps out and is moaning about it.

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Rodney Gold
The nicest thing about smacking your head against the the wall
is.......The feeling you get when you stop
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