Shutter lag Pro 1

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Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.

Reason I ask is the although I love my G2, the shutter lag kills me for anction shots.

If it is a major improvent for the G series I will probably buy one.

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It needs to be fast to compete with the Sony 828. So I think it will be much faster than G series.
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I am positive that it will be faster or at least comparable when compared to G5, but I am 100% sure that it won't catch up with a DSLR (300D or 10D).
Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal
to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.

Reason I ask is the although I love my G2, the shutter lag kills me
for anction shots.

If it is a major improvent for the G series I will probably buy one.

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Frank J Mattia
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  • Harris
Bellevue, WA
 
I am positive that it will be faster or at least comparable when
compared to G5, but I am 100% sure that it won't catch up with a
DSLR (300D or 10D).
Please elaborate
Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal
to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.

Reason I ask is the although I love my G2, the shutter lag kills me
for anction shots.

If it is a major improvent for the G series I will probably buy one.

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Frank J Mattia
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  • Harris
Bellevue, WA
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Frank J Mattia
 
Frank,
Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal
to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.

Reason I ask is the although I love my G2, the shutter lag kills me
for anction shots.
Note that the "effective" shutter delay comprises both the shutter delay proper and the finder lag (the time that the photographer's view of the world through the finder lags behind real time).

It is the finder lag that, so far, really kills us in most EVF cameras.

Unfortunately, no reviewer (that I know of) has ever reported on finder lag for any digital camera. It's a completely unknown quanaity for the Pro 1.

Of course there is no finder lag in the 300D.

With my Fuji S602, the actual shutter delay was about 120 ms, but the finder lag was also at least 120 ms.

On my 300D, the shutter release delay is aboiut 110 ms (not outstanding for an SLR), but there is of course no finder lag.

The difference between the two cameras, insofar as my ability to correctly capture action shots, is like night and day.

Best regards,

Doug
 
read Doug's reply below
I am positive that it will be faster or at least comparable when
compared to G5, but I am 100% sure that it won't catch up with a
DSLR (300D or 10D).
Please elaborate
Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal
to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.

Reason I ask is the although I love my G2, the shutter lag kills me
for anction shots.

If it is a major improvent for the G series I will probably buy one.

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Frank J Mattia
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  • Harris
Bellevue, WA
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Frank J Mattia
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  • Harris
Bellevue, WA
 
You're 100% sure? Too bad you didn't offer to bet, but how could you be so certain, one full year after the 10D, that Canon couldn't improve the shutter release lag?

Anyway, according to Canon, the release lag for the Pro 1 is 100 ms compared to 190 ms for the 10D.

Fred
I am positive that it will be faster or at least comparable when
compared to G5, but I am 100% sure that it won't catch up with a
DSLR (300D or 10D).
 
Phredd,
You're 100% sure? Too bad you didn't offer to bet, but how could
you be so certain, one full year after the 10D, that Canon couldn't
improve the shutter release lag?

Anyway, according to Canon, the release lag for the Pro 1 is 100 ms
compared to 190 ms for the 10D.
Of course what matters from the perspeetive of the photographer is the "effective shutter release delay", which consists of the actual shutter release delay plus the finder lag.

So until we learn of the finder lag of the Pro 1, we will really not know how it reats the photographer in that regard. And we'll have a hard time finding that out until one of us would measure it - I have no real,hope that this will be tested by any of our favorite reviewers (they haven't for any camera to date, so far as I know).

For example, the actual shutter release delay of my 300D is about the same as for my Fuji S602 (about 120 ms), but the Fuji responds much more slugghsly from the user's perspective owing to its finder lag of over 120 ms. With regard to carching a shot at teh right time, the difference between the two machines is like night vs. day.

Incidentally, I am in any case talking about "from half press" timing, since focsuing timing is so variable, and what I am mainly interested in is the fastest response I can get (such as with a judicious half-press before "it" occurs).

Best regards,

Doug

Best regards,

Doug
 
There was a mention of it on BeBit's website on the day of the official release (yesterday) which was also posted here in a thread. The exact terms used was:

Off > Powerup/Lens extend > Shotready = 2.5 seconds
Shutter Release > 0.1 Seconds or less.

I find that to be fairly impressive.

Cheers,

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The Pro1 has an EVF, so chances are it will have a relatively longer finder lag. Try them out when the Pro1 becomes available and I remain positive that you will like the 10D/300D better as far as shutter release lag goes.
Anyway, according to Canon, the release lag for the Pro 1 is 100 ms
compared to 190 ms for the 10D.

Fred
I am positive that it will be faster or at least comparable when
compared to G5, but I am 100% sure that it won't catch up with a
DSLR (300D or 10D).
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  • Harris
Bellevue, WA
 
Marco,
There was a mention of it on BeBit's website on the day of the
official release (yesterday) which was also posted here in a
thread. The exact terms used was:

Off > Powerup/Lens extend > Shotready = 2.5 seconds
Shutter Release > 0.1 Seconds or less.
Interesting to know if that includes focsuing time., If so, that is very impressive,

In that case, it would be good to know what it is from half-press.

And whataver it is, either way, finder lag "piles on" so far as "performance" is concerned.

Thanks for the info.

Best regards,

Doug
 
There's no question that I'll continue to like the optical viewfinder of the 10D better than ANY EVF, but that's another story. As far as EVFs go, I'm confident the Pro 1 will be the best and fastest available. I'm actually very anxious to see it. It's twice the resolution of the CP 8700 (and the Pro 90).

Fred
Anyway, according to Canon, the release lag for the Pro 1 is 100 ms
compared to 190 ms for the 10D.

Fred
I am positive that it will be faster or at least comparable when
compared to G5, but I am 100% sure that it won't catch up with a
DSLR (300D or 10D).
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  • Harris
Bellevue, WA
 
Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal
to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.
Personally I have no issue wiht the release lag, even on my S400. Typically what is killing most of us with these cameras is the focus lag.

Typically it can take up to a full second to focus with a the half press...

But it can be under 1/10 of second to release once that is accomplished. Most people here seem to be assuming that you mean just the release lag after you are pre-focused. I am assuming you mean total lag includeing focusing.

In which case I expect it will be faster than the G5, but slower than the 300D.
 
Focusing

The Pro1 is using a unique hybrid focusing system. Beside the regular contrast phase detection system, a set of external sensors are also there to help focusing. These sensors help to set the lenses close to the right position. The contrast phase detection does the fine tuning only. The fact is that the AF is not slow, but no one should expect the speed of an SLR AF system. When comparing it to other cameras in this category, the speed is ok though.

Source: http://index.hu/tech/digicam/cikkek/pspro1_p/#eng
Does anyone know how laggey the shutter is on the Pro1. Is it equal
to the 10d, 300d, g5, etc.

Reason I ask is the although I love my G2, the shutter lag kills me
for anction shots.

If it is a major improvent for the G series I will probably buy one.

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Frank J Mattia
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This is a new term to me.

I understand release lag - the time after you full press and have aready half pressed & prefocused.

I understand focus lag - the time it takes to focus while half pressing.

Finder lag has something to do with EVF's ??

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Newsy
 
I just read that and it's interesting, but how reliable is this source? This sounds like a completely new AF system, and Canon is boasting that it's fast so I'd like to remain optimistic unless someone reputable says otherwise. Has Phil made any comments regarding the AF? After all, Canon did make the shutter lag faster than their SLRs (10D, 300D).

Fred
The fact is that the AF is not slow, but
no one should expect the speed of an SLR AF system. When comparing
it to other cameras in this category, the speed is ok though.

Source: http://index.hu/tech/digicam/cikkek/pspro1_p/#eng
 
Newsy,
This is a new term to me.

I understand release lag - the time after you full press and have
aready half pressed & prefocused.

I understand focus lag - the time it takes to focus while half
pressing.

Finder lag has something to do with EVF's ??
Yes, finder lag (I guess I am responsible for introducing the term) refers to how far behinbd real life is the image seen in the finder.

Becuase the finder is refreshed cyclicly, it is not a simple thing to define exactly. And in some cameras, it varies with light level, as in lower liught, the camera "adds together" the sensor output from several cycles (usina sort of "moving sum" process) to get a good enought imnage to display in the finder. (and by finder here I mean either the electronic eyepiece finder or the "back panel mnitor"). (The back panel monitor is often called "the LCD", but of course the eyepiece finder is alss usually an LCD, as is often the status display panelas well!)

Here's the reason finder lag affects what I have called "effective shutter release delay". Suppose the photographer wants to fire a shot just as the nose of the winning horse crosses the finish line. Because he sees the horse coming, he can press the shutter release with little human "reaction time", and he can also use an early half-press to dispose of focsuing delay.

Suppose the finder lag is 0.130 sec, and the shutter release time (from half press) is 0.120 sec. Assume the photographer is able in fact presses the shutter release precisely when he sees the horse cross the line. But, because of finder lag, the horse actually had crossed the line 0.130 seconds earlier.

Then the camera takes 0.120 seconds after the button is pressed before the shutter fires. So by the time the shutter fires, it is 0.250 sec since the horse actually crossed the line. This is what I describe as the "effective shutter release delay".

Best regards,

Doug
 
in the G series it's the AF that causes the delay, not shutter lag. It's the time it takes to lock on focus until it allows for the shutter to be triggered. The shutter lag was short. I hope they fix this problem on the Pro1. It's the main reason I sold my G3, too unbearably slow for moving subjects like children.
 

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