D-100 discovery

KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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KenEis said:

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

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Greyflash said:

KenEis said:

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

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Thanks for the tip Ken. As a new D100 owner, I will follow your
example.

Gordon

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KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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JohnK04716323 said:

What surprises me is your observation that turning off the camera
before the buffer has emptied results in loss of the image(s). I
thought you could turn off the camera anytime and it would finish
what it had to do before gracefully powering down. I'm pretty sure
I have done this, but not with compressed NEFs, without problems.

-JohnK

Greyflash said:

KenEis said:

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

Click to expand...

Thanks for the tip Ken. As a new D100 owner, I will follow your
example.

Gordon

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KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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JohnK04716323 said:

What surprises me is your observation that turning off the camera
before the buffer has emptied results in loss of the image(s). I
thought you could turn off the camera anytime and it would finish
what it had to do before gracefully powering down. I'm pretty sure
I have done this, but not with compressed NEFs, without problems.

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Casey Cheung said:

This has been previously reported at least a few times. I had this
same experience myself, which was discussed approx 1 year ago.
Yes, it's really stupid that Nikon set the standard default to

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Casey Cheung said:

compressed NEFs, which takes a huuuuuge amount of time for writing.

-CC

KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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chris-fotos said:

chris-fotos said:

What surprises me is your observation that turning off the camera
before the buffer has emptied results in loss of the image(s). I
thought you could turn off the camera anytime and it would finish
what it had to do before gracefully powering down. I'm pretty sure
I have done this, but not with compressed NEFs, without problems.

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Hi John.

According to "Thom Hogans Guide to the D100" is only the current
buffer image transferred to the card. All other images left in the
buffer will be lost...

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Dave Beaman said:

dave

JohnK04716323 said:

What surprises me is your observation that turning off the camera
before the buffer has emptied results in loss of the image(s). I
thought you could turn off the camera anytime and it would finish
what it had to do before gracefully powering down. I'm pretty sure
I have done this, but not with compressed NEFs, without problems.

-JohnK

Greyflash said:

KenEis said:

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

Click to expand...

Thanks for the tip Ken. As a new D100 owner, I will follow your
example.

Gordon

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toray said:

KenEis said:

I'm ashamed to admit this after taking 10s of thousands of images,
and owning my D-100 for 2 years but I've just made a discovery that
the rest of you probably already knew. I followed a discussion that
said that compressed NEF was only 10-bit compared to the
uncompressed NEF being the extected 12-bit. I've never even looked
at NEF in the cameras menue system. Well I changed over (the
factory setting is compressed) this last weekend. Well that's not
the discovery.

Taking uncompressed NEFs did show some improvement in color and
shadow detail and doubled the size of the files aprox 9 MB per
image. Well that was expected and not my discovery.

The discovery was the change in shoot to CF download time. It was
incredible. My WF enabled card using V 2.0 software took about
45-50 sec to put an image to the CF card and the green light to
turn off. I've lived with this for a long time. I've lost many
photo opportunities when the buffer was full and I had to wait 2
minutes for the D-100 to wake up from the buffer death. I've also
lost pictures when I inadvertently turned the camera off while
writting to the card. (Only happens when NEFs are being written.)

So switching to uncompressed NEFs changed all that. It takes 4 sec
for an uncompressed NEF to clear the buffer. That's 1/10 the time
of the compressed. Clearly the compression algorithm is what takes
time and not the transfer from buffer to card.

WHy didn't you guys tell me this a year ago? Maybe I wasn't listening.
--
Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300,
80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

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